| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday 09:10 - Oct 28 with 6790 views | artsbossbeard |
Initial contact/foul out of the area (as given by the ref) yet VAR gets involved, sees the same initial contact/foul out of the area and recommends a penalty.
No pushback from the collective TV pundits over the weekend, so guess I'm out of touch with things now.
Suspect little ol' Ipswich won't be part of Sky's Ref Watch at 11...
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:14 - Oct 28 with 4392 views | JakeITFC |
Yup, agreed - maybe it’s just naivety from us and (perhaps even the ref) but that’s a snide yellow card and free kick outside the box all day without VAR. Not sure whether it shows it on the highlights but where the ref put the ball down for the free kick before he got spoken to was a good three yards outside the corner point of the box.
I think a few times this season we’ve just been done by more streetwise teams in this league, know what little nicks and dives they can get away with and we clearly don’t. |  | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:20 - Oct 28 with 4334 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:14 - Oct 28 by JakeITFC |
Yup, agreed - maybe it’s just naivety from us and (perhaps even the ref) but that’s a snide yellow card and free kick outside the box all day without VAR. Not sure whether it shows it on the highlights but where the ref put the ball down for the free kick before he got spoken to was a good three yards outside the corner point of the box.
I think a few times this season we’ve just been done by more streetwise teams in this league, know what little nicks and dives they can get away with and we clearly don’t. |
It’s definitely a penalty. Clarke still fouling him as they hit the line of the box. Most annoying element of that incident for me was that we didn’t stand on the ball to stop the quick free kick. |  | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:22 - Oct 28 with 4311 views | artsbossbeard |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:20 - Oct 28 by tractorboy1978 |
It’s definitely a penalty. Clarke still fouling him as they hit the line of the box. Most annoying element of that incident for me was that we didn’t stand on the ball to stop the quick free kick. |
"Clarke still fouling him as they hit the line of the box"
That's a free kick then. | |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:28 - Oct 28 with 4256 views | JakeITFC |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:20 - Oct 28 by tractorboy1978 |
It’s definitely a penalty. Clarke still fouling him as they hit the line of the box. Most annoying element of that incident for me was that we didn’t stand on the ball to stop the quick free kick. |
Yeah, letter of the law and all that, but I think my point is that is never given at any other level of football ever. They get their magnifying glass out and re-ref games, and I think it is to the detriment of everyone.
But yeah to your other point we were sleeping in midfield and Clarke is on his heels which causes the issue to start with. | | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:29 - Oct 28 with 4245 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:22 - Oct 28 by artsbossbeard |
"Clarke still fouling him as they hit the line of the box"
That's a free kick then. |
On the line is a penalty by the laws of the game. | | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:30 - Oct 28 with 4226 views | IPS_wich |
After a bit of time to get over the immediate emotions of the game - and repeated watches of the incident I can understand the decision now.
Clarke and Lewis-Potter (LP) 'make contact' outside the area, and Clarke's arm goes over the shoulder of LP whilst they are still outside the area. LP is about half a yard ahead of Clarke and as they move into the area Clarke starts to fall forward and because he has his arm over LP's shoulder it's this motion that starts to drag LP down. By the time LP starts to fall he's a good two yards in the area. It's different to one of the cases where the player is tripped outside the area and falls into the box - in those cases it should be a free kick - because the action that brings LP to ground doesn't start until they are in the box.
I have a far bigger grievance against the second yellow, because at least three of the angles clearly show Clarke touched the ball before he touched the player. [Post edited 28 Oct 2024 9:31]
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:31 - Oct 28 with 4206 views | bobbyramsey |
The offence continued inside the box. |  | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:32 - Oct 28 with 4171 views | artsbossbeard |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:31 - Oct 28 by bobbyramsey |
The offence continued inside the box. |
Continued, by it's very meaning, says that the offence started out of the area. | |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:34 - Oct 28 with 4151 views | artsbossbeard |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:30 - Oct 28 by IPS_wich |
After a bit of time to get over the immediate emotions of the game - and repeated watches of the incident I can understand the decision now.
Clarke and Lewis-Potter (LP) 'make contact' outside the area, and Clarke's arm goes over the shoulder of LP whilst they are still outside the area. LP is about half a yard ahead of Clarke and as they move into the area Clarke starts to fall forward and because he has his arm over LP's shoulder it's this motion that starts to drag LP down. By the time LP starts to fall he's a good two yards in the area. It's different to one of the cases where the player is tripped outside the area and falls into the box - in those cases it should be a free kick - because the action that brings LP to ground doesn't start until they are in the box.
I have a far bigger grievance against the second yellow, because at least three of the angles clearly show Clarke touched the ball before he touched the player. [Post edited 28 Oct 2024 9:31]
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Gotcha, so the initial contact wasn't deemed a foul by VAR out of the area and the foul itself was on the line/inside the area then.
Surely, that's a TV monitor check by the ref then to confirm??? | |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:38 - Oct 28 with 4095 views | Reuser_is_God |
VAR is awful.
How they can’t review second yellow cards is beyond me.
Now you’ve got all these awful social media account laughing at Clarke for being the second player to score an own goal, concede a penalty & be sent off on their full debut in the PL - totally ignoring the fact it wasn’t a penalty, wasn’t a second yellow & wasn’t an own goal. |  |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:42 - Oct 28 with 4042 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:32 - Oct 28 by artsbossbeard |
Continued, by it's very meaning, says that the offence started out of the area. |
Where the foul started isn't the law though. If it continues into the box it is a penalty. [Post edited 28 Oct 2024 9:42]
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:44 - Oct 28 with 4024 views | Steve_M |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:38 - Oct 28 by Reuser_is_God |
VAR is awful.
How they can’t review second yellow cards is beyond me.
Now you’ve got all these awful social media account laughing at Clarke for being the second player to score an own goal, concede a penalty & be sent off on their full debut in the PL - totally ignoring the fact it wasn’t a penalty, wasn’t a second yellow & wasn’t an own goal. |
Yes, what the fk else would have happened to that ball for their second had Clarke not slid in there. |  |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:46 - Oct 28 with 3985 views | Asa |
Sadly it's very simple. An advantage is being played.
If Burns was clean through, being held back 30 yards from goal, the defender slips, Burns bursts away and scores no Town fan is asking where the free kick is!
If Clarke pulled down his man outside the box then it's a free kick. He didn't pull them down until they were on the line / in the box, so it's a penalty.
Until he was pulled to the ground he's still got a chance of breaking away from Clarke, getting a shot off or playing someone in with a cross. | | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:47 - Oct 28 with 3973 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:20 - Oct 28 by tractorboy1978 |
It’s definitely a penalty. Clarke still fouling him as they hit the line of the box. Most annoying element of that incident for me was that we didn’t stand on the ball to stop the quick free kick. |
How come clarke wasn't sent off?
I know the double jeopardy thing. But if that's then a pen and he hasn't attempted the play the ball.. isn't that then a red and a pen in that moment? |  |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:48 - Oct 28 with 3956 views | artsbossbeard |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:46 - Oct 28 by Asa |
Sadly it's very simple. An advantage is being played.
If Burns was clean through, being held back 30 yards from goal, the defender slips, Burns bursts away and scores no Town fan is asking where the free kick is!
If Clarke pulled down his man outside the box then it's a free kick. He didn't pull them down until they were on the line / in the box, so it's a penalty.
Until he was pulled to the ground he's still got a chance of breaking away from Clarke, getting a shot off or playing someone in with a cross. |
So the initial contact wasn't deemed a foul by VAR out of the area and the foul itself was on the line/inside the area then.
Surely, that's a TV monitor check by the ref then to confirm??? | |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:48 - Oct 28 with 3951 views | IPS_wich |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:34 - Oct 28 by artsbossbeard |
Gotcha, so the initial contact wasn't deemed a foul by VAR out of the area and the foul itself was on the line/inside the area then.
Surely, that's a TV monitor check by the ref then to confirm??? |
I read somewhere that one of the refs that Sky has watching the game commented that the ref only has to go to the monitor if VAR is overturning his decision. In this case the ref gave a foul and VAR agreed it was a foul - but told him the offence occurred inside the area.
Unlike the Man City penalty and the Jack Clarke penalty last week where VAR was disagreeing with the ref about whether a foul had taken place and wanted the ref to confirm whether he wanted to change his mind.
Of the four VAR penalty incidents that have involved Town this season, I rank it third in terms of controversy - with the non-call on the foul on Davies against Man City being top (wtf - how is that not a penalty) and Clarke second (yes he kicked the players leg - a leg the player had literally just placed there as Clarke started his shooting motion, a leg that was only there to stop Clarke shooting, a leg that - unlike Clarke on Saturday for his second yellow - didn't make contact with the ball). | | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:50 - Oct 28 with 3917 views | Rozz |
Is there anything in the laws of the game that says a foul needs to be given at the initial contact? (Genuine question for those better educated than I).
The way I see it is if you hung onto a players shirt as they ran half the pitch, eventually bringing them down in the box, it wouldn't be foul on the halfway line.
Normally in these kinds of challenges the offending player lets go at the line of the box, which I think is why it feels unusual.
I think the red card is the more contentious of the two decisions, personally. |  | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:51 - Oct 28 with 3858 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:32 - Oct 28 by artsbossbeard |
Continued, by it's very meaning, says that the offence started out of the area. |
The referee didn’t blow until Clarke hauled their player down in the box. He mistaking thought it was just outside the box. Look at the replay and the exact moment the ref blows. Their player is in the box. |  |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:52 - Oct 28 with 3848 views | Rozz |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:47 - Oct 28 by FrimleyBlue |
How come clarke wasn't sent off?
I know the double jeopardy thing. But if that's then a pen and he hasn't attempted the play the ball.. isn't that then a red and a pen in that moment? |
Clarke does flop like a salmon to attempt to head the ball. He gestures to the ref that he's headed it. | | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:55 - Oct 28 with 3798 views | oncebluealwaysblue |
As sh1t as it was, it's done. Move on. |  | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 10:01 - Oct 28 with 3699 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
If ref decisions and pundits trigger you that much, football might not be the sport for you.
Just need to chill out a bit.
Why on earth would people watch 'ref watch? |  |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 10:04 - Oct 28 with 3652 views | artsbossbeard |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 10:01 - Oct 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
If ref decisions and pundits trigger you that much, football might not be the sport for you.
Just need to chill out a bit.
Why on earth would people watch 'ref watch? |
God, you're tiresome. | |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 10:15 - Oct 28 with 3511 views | vinceg |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 09:42 - Oct 28 by tractorboy1978 |
Where the foul started isn't the law though. If it continues into the box it is a penalty. [Post edited 28 Oct 2024 9:42]
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So if he continues fouling him all the way through the penalty area but doesn't fall over until he's out of play behind the goal, is that a goal kick to us? Very confusing rule.
So basically if you feel you're being fouled get yourself into the box before you fall over |  | | |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 10:19 - Oct 28 with 3469 views | Swansea_Blue |
Contact definitely outside of the box, but was he fouling then? I'm not so sure he was. I can see why it was changed. It's very marginal though. |  |
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| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 10:21 - Oct 28 with 3464 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Still struggling with that penalty decison Saturday on 10:15 - Oct 28 by vinceg |
So if he continues fouling him all the way through the penalty area but doesn't fall over until he's out of play behind the goal, is that a goal kick to us? Very confusing rule.
So basically if you feel you're being fouled get yourself into the box before you fall over |
Not really that confusing at all.
"If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick". | | | |
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