| Anyone want some delap def info ? 10:34 - Nov 26 with 17226 views | The_Romford_Blue |
The buyback situation is far better for us than we all thought.
It’s only that city have the first option to match any bids we receive. There’s no specific fee set for them to have him back on the cheap. It’s just that they can match whatever someone like Chelsea offer. They have a few days to react to the bid that we must disclose to them.
Found out on Sunday. Good news. |  |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 17:51 - Nov 26 with 1909 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 17:32 - Nov 26 by FrimleyBlue |
If there is a Jan bid. I reckon it'll be around £50 million.
Would town accept that I don't know. That's a big wedge and a massive profit in the space of 6 months.
Add a high sell on fee and it could be very rewarding.
Likewise however keeping him until summer. I think you'd still be able to get that if we went down so I reckon we will hold out until summer. |
There's no way we sell for £50m in Jan. Unless you've got a guaranteed replacement lined up for less (which we won't have) then we'd be gambling on relegation for £50m, when staying up is worth £100m+ (not sure what the figure is these days).
And he's unlikely to depreciate in value, so no, no chance of £50m in Jan. |  |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 17:52 - Nov 26 with 1903 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 17:32 - Nov 26 by FrimleyBlue |
If there is a Jan bid. I reckon it'll be around £50 million.
Would town accept that I don't know. That's a big wedge and a massive profit in the space of 6 months.
Add a high sell on fee and it could be very rewarding.
Likewise however keeping him until summer. I think you'd still be able to get that if we went down so I reckon we will hold out until summer. |
I don't think McKenna would let him go in January given how important he is to our prospects, and in turn potentially KM's career prospects.
That sort of money might start a conversation in the summer, but I don't see any value in doing it in January. He's got ages on his contract and barring injury if someone is prepared to pay it in Jan then I dare say we wouldn't struggle to get a similar offer in July. |  | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 17:57 - Nov 26 with 1877 views | Vegtablue |
Funnily enough, today TBR Football (whoever they are) have revealed the buy-back sum is £30m, according to their sources (whoever they are), and the story/gossip's been run by a handful of lightweight sports sites. They also claim that City aren't interested in activating the clause. Hopefully your source is better and it doesn't exist anyway. |  | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:09 - Nov 26 with 1843 views | Parky |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 17:32 - Nov 26 by FrimleyBlue |
If there is a Jan bid. I reckon it'll be around £50 million.
Would town accept that I don't know. That's a big wedge and a massive profit in the space of 6 months.
Add a high sell on fee and it could be very rewarding.
Likewise however keeping him until summer. I think you'd still be able to get that if we went down so I reckon we will hold out until summer. |
I hope I’m wrong, but if somebody offers £50M plus in January, I think we sell him. That’s instantly £30M profit which helps FFP and any bid like that would be from a huge club, where Delap will want to go play.
He’s clearly a player and we’re lucky to have him, but some people are getting carried away with talks of £100M etc.
I hope I’m wrong and I hope she stays and keeps us up, but it’s the whole point of our transfer model in signing young players to sell on for profit, and I don’t think we’d refuse an instant £30M + profit. | | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:17 - Nov 26 with 1798 views | MK1 |
I said this a few days ago and got told off for suggesting it. No way were we just going to let Man City give us back what we paid. |  |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:25 - Nov 26 with 1748 views | ReusersTown |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 17:57 - Nov 26 by Vegtablue |
Funnily enough, today TBR Football (whoever they are) have revealed the buy-back sum is £30m, according to their sources (whoever they are), and the story/gossip's been run by a handful of lightweight sports sites. They also claim that City aren't interested in activating the clause. Hopefully your source is better and it doesn't exist anyway. |
Maybe it's time you stop regurgitating clickbaite sh*te from nonsense sources. The whole forum would be better for it if everyone did. | | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:34 - Nov 26 with 1696 views | ReusersTown |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:09 - Nov 26 by Parky |
I hope I’m wrong, but if somebody offers £50M plus in January, I think we sell him. That’s instantly £30M profit which helps FFP and any bid like that would be from a huge club, where Delap will want to go play.
He’s clearly a player and we’re lucky to have him, but some people are getting carried away with talks of £100M etc.
I hope I’m wrong and I hope she stays and keeps us up, but it’s the whole point of our transfer model in signing young players to sell on for profit, and I don’t think we’d refuse an instant £30M + profit. |
I'd say it's almost certain you are wrong, £30m is a pittance at this level, and given the young assets we have and how they have performed so far, you'd be an absolute fool to sell them in Jan. Add to that the nature of FFP is almost certain to change in the short term with so many identifying that it is stifling promoted clubs significantly. I've used the example before but do you know how much Solanke just went for last window? Or Ceiceido, or Enzo. If it is one of the big boys why would we accept an undervalued bid ? | | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:47 - Nov 26 with 1642 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:09 - Nov 26 by Parky |
I hope I’m wrong, but if somebody offers £50M plus in January, I think we sell him. That’s instantly £30M profit which helps FFP and any bid like that would be from a huge club, where Delap will want to go play.
He’s clearly a player and we’re lucky to have him, but some people are getting carried away with talks of £100M etc.
I hope I’m wrong and I hope she stays and keeps us up, but it’s the whole point of our transfer model in signing young players to sell on for profit, and I don’t think we’d refuse an instant £30M + profit. |
Even if it means we get relegated and lose £100m+?
Do the maths, man! | |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:50 - Nov 26 with 1630 views | Vegtablue |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:09 - Nov 26 by Parky |
I hope I’m wrong, but if somebody offers £50M plus in January, I think we sell him. That’s instantly £30M profit which helps FFP and any bid like that would be from a huge club, where Delap will want to go play.
He’s clearly a player and we’re lucky to have him, but some people are getting carried away with talks of £100M etc.
I hope I’m wrong and I hope she stays and keeps us up, but it’s the whole point of our transfer model in signing young players to sell on for profit, and I don’t think we’d refuse an instant £30M + profit. |
Man City's sell-on clause is reportedly 20% and this one is less disputed - was revealed by Sky at the time of the transfer. Difficult to know if any add-ons have been met yet; a £50m sale would generate £20m-£25m profit.
We'd need to be very shrewd in the market to find a replacement of not-too-much-worse quality, and they'd probably cost as much as our profit on Delap. But with normal accounting practices enabling us to break up transfer fees across transfer lengths, such a sale may allow us to stretch to two or three £20m players. But if we're in or around the relegation zone at the time, the quality of player willing to come to us under those circumstances may be disappointing, and the January market offers poor value more often than not.
Relegation would cost much more than any profit we'd earn on him in January, so any sale would need to be because it's a smart football decision - because the inner sanctum believe it increases, or at least doesn't significantly hurt, our prospects of survival. | | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:53 - Nov 26 with 1617 views | Vegtablue |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:25 - Nov 26 by ReusersTown |
Maybe it's time you stop regurgitating clickbaite sh*te from nonsense sources. The whole forum would be better for it if everyone did. |
What a childish comment. Find my multiple regurgitated clickbait sh*te and get back to me. Making it easier for you, find a single clickbait sh*te link from me that the forum can click on. | | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:58 - Nov 26 with 1594 views | Churchman |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:09 - Nov 26 by Parky |
I hope I’m wrong, but if somebody offers £50M plus in January, I think we sell him. That’s instantly £30M profit which helps FFP and any bid like that would be from a huge club, where Delap will want to go play.
He’s clearly a player and we’re lucky to have him, but some people are getting carried away with talks of £100M etc.
I hope I’m wrong and I hope she stays and keeps us up, but it’s the whole point of our transfer model in signing young players to sell on for profit, and I don’t think we’d refuse an instant £30M + profit. |
Why would you do that when it would mean almost certain relegation? How much is an additional season in the PL worth? A lot more than whatever we’d clear after MC took their 20%.
What message would that send to our other players? Yes, we will trade and Delap will want to go to one of the top clubs; a Liverpool or Arsenal possibly. But not now, not for a paltry £50m for the hottest centre forward prospect in English football who is on a long contract.
This is not the days of Kerr, Sheepshanks and Evans and we are not obligated to sell assuming we are still within FFP limits. We inevitably will at some point, but it’ll be just as much on our terms and timing as a potential buyer, subject to what the player wants. |  | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:03 - Nov 26 with 1557 views | Parky |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:47 - Nov 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Even if it means we get relegated and lose £100m+?
Do the maths, man! |
You’re extremely patronising, you can have a different opinion, it is allowed. Has a newly promoted team ever sold somebody for £50M+ - genuine question?
We’ll wait and see what happens, but I’d like to think McKenna fancies his chances at unearthing or getting the most out of sombebody IF Delap was to leave. (Hirt has replaced him in games and he cost us about £3M.
Need to chill out ‘man’, it’s a football forum talking hypotheticals.
FWIW, to add - I never said it’s something I would do, I merely stated I could see us selling if Delap wants to go and the club want to ensure profit. [Post edited 26 Nov 2024 19:08]
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:06 - Nov 26 with 1531 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:53 - Nov 26 by Vegtablue |
What a childish comment. Find my multiple regurgitated clickbait sh*te and get back to me. Making it easier for you, find a single clickbait sh*te link from me that the forum can click on. |
Also to be fair to you. This thread is made by someone on a forum. How's it any different to something being started offline? |  |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:10 - Nov 26 with 1515 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:58 - Nov 26 by Churchman |
Why would you do that when it would mean almost certain relegation? How much is an additional season in the PL worth? A lot more than whatever we’d clear after MC took their 20%.
What message would that send to our other players? Yes, we will trade and Delap will want to go to one of the top clubs; a Liverpool or Arsenal possibly. But not now, not for a paltry £50m for the hottest centre forward prospect in English football who is on a long contract.
This is not the days of Kerr, Sheepshanks and Evans and we are not obligated to sell assuming we are still within FFP limits. We inevitably will at some point, but it’ll be just as much on our terms and timing as a potential buyer, subject to what the player wants. |
Don't you think it depends on what KM feels he could do with 50 mill.
If it enabled a ferguson loan and 3/4 high quality signings alongside it then it maybe a good football decision.
Think it depends on how much room financially we have to give KM the tools in January he needs to keep us up. If we can do it without selling then Imo we won't sell. But if there's northing there but KM wants 4 players then we might.
Dunno.
What ever happens. Whenever it happens. It's gonna be a big chunk of profit. | |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:18 - Nov 26 with 1494 views | Parky |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:50 - Nov 26 by Vegtablue |
Man City's sell-on clause is reportedly 20% and this one is less disputed - was revealed by Sky at the time of the transfer. Difficult to know if any add-ons have been met yet; a £50m sale would generate £20m-£25m profit.
We'd need to be very shrewd in the market to find a replacement of not-too-much-worse quality, and they'd probably cost as much as our profit on Delap. But with normal accounting practices enabling us to break up transfer fees across transfer lengths, such a sale may allow us to stretch to two or three £20m players. But if we're in or around the relegation zone at the time, the quality of player willing to come to us under those circumstances may be disappointing, and the January market offers poor value more often than not.
Relegation would cost much more than any profit we'd earn on him in January, so any sale would need to be because it's a smart football decision - because the inner sanctum believe it increases, or at least doesn't significantly hurt, our prospects of survival. |
All valid points and nothing I particularly disagree with there. But, I do think the club has to weigh up all eventualities, there is also every chance Delap’s form drops off and we get relegated, his value instantly drops and we’ve turned down £25M - £30M profit 5 months prior.
Like I said in my previous response, I’m not saying I’d sell, nor should we, but I think it’s naive to think the club would just bat away any huge bids without taking into account all factors. | | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:30 - Nov 26 with 1432 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:03 - Nov 26 by Parky |
You’re extremely patronising, you can have a different opinion, it is allowed. Has a newly promoted team ever sold somebody for £50M+ - genuine question?
We’ll wait and see what happens, but I’d like to think McKenna fancies his chances at unearthing or getting the most out of sombebody IF Delap was to leave. (Hirt has replaced him in games and he cost us about £3M.
Need to chill out ‘man’, it’s a football forum talking hypotheticals.
FWIW, to add - I never said it’s something I would do, I merely stated I could see us selling if Delap wants to go and the club want to ensure profit. [Post edited 26 Nov 2024 19:08]
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Seems like you're the one who needs to chill out. I just offered my opinion and I don't think it's patronising either. | |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:30 - Nov 26 with 1428 views | Churchman |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:10 - Nov 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Don't you think it depends on what KM feels he could do with 50 mill.
If it enabled a ferguson loan and 3/4 high quality signings alongside it then it maybe a good football decision.
Think it depends on how much room financially we have to give KM the tools in January he needs to keep us up. If we can do it without selling then Imo we won't sell. But if there's northing there but KM wants 4 players then we might.
Dunno.
What ever happens. Whenever it happens. It's gonna be a big chunk of profit. |
Firstly, we wouldn’t get £50m from a fee of £50m. Secondly, McKenna is trying to build a team and moving on Delap and bringing in a load of players in one month doesn’t make much sense to me.
Thirdly why bring in a loan to replace your best player; the one scoring all the goals? Might make sense at the end of the season, but not half way though it. If we manage to survive he will be a key part to that and it’ll be worth what? A heck of a lot more than being mugged off by the likes of Chelsea for a little club fee.
Lastly, if we don’t survive, he will be worth the same if not more, unless he gets a bad injury. Lastly, the player looks happy, is getting game time and improving. Where’s the hurry? | | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:30 - Nov 26 with 1427 views | ReusersTown |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 18:53 - Nov 26 by Vegtablue |
What a childish comment. Find my multiple regurgitated clickbait sh*te and get back to me. Making it easier for you, find a single clickbait sh*te link from me that the forum can click on. |
Why does there have to be multiple? (my point is addressing you and others who do this). What has a link got to do with anything? By parroting this crap (which you yourself actually say "don't know who they are") you make the forum a worse place, or does it not count unless there's a link!? | | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:36 - Nov 26 with 1394 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:30 - Nov 26 by Churchman |
Firstly, we wouldn’t get £50m from a fee of £50m. Secondly, McKenna is trying to build a team and moving on Delap and bringing in a load of players in one month doesn’t make much sense to me.
Thirdly why bring in a loan to replace your best player; the one scoring all the goals? Might make sense at the end of the season, but not half way though it. If we manage to survive he will be a key part to that and it’ll be worth what? A heck of a lot more than being mugged off by the likes of Chelsea for a little club fee.
Lastly, if we don’t survive, he will be worth the same if not more, unless he gets a bad injury. Lastly, the player looks happy, is getting game time and improving. Where’s the hurry? |
Mckenna is trying to keep us up. That's the aim. I don't know our finances. He might want more players. Can we afford them. We don't know. ( edited as I know we do want more players.. it's more about how many and can we afford it )
Of course we wouldn't have 50 from 50 so let's increase that fee then for this hypothetical situation.
I'd hope we wouldn't entertain it. But IF and only if KM wanted more players but we didn't have the ffp availability to do so it's then possible we would do it. But that's the only way i think it would happen in Jan. [Post edited 26 Nov 2024 19:40]
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:39 - Nov 26 with 1382 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:30 - Nov 26 by ReusersTown |
Why does there have to be multiple? (my point is addressing you and others who do this). What has a link got to do with anything? By parroting this crap (which you yourself actually say "don't know who they are") you make the forum a worse place, or does it not count unless there's a link!? |
It's only a worse place when posts are made like yours having a go at another poster rather than ignoring something you don't want to discuss.
He's shared a link. It can be discussed if people wish to. Or ignored if people don't. | |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:47 - Nov 26 with 1344 views | Churchman |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:36 - Nov 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Mckenna is trying to keep us up. That's the aim. I don't know our finances. He might want more players. Can we afford them. We don't know. ( edited as I know we do want more players.. it's more about how many and can we afford it )
Of course we wouldn't have 50 from 50 so let's increase that fee then for this hypothetical situation.
I'd hope we wouldn't entertain it. But IF and only if KM wanted more players but we didn't have the ffp availability to do so it's then possible we would do it. But that's the only way i think it would happen in Jan. [Post edited 26 Nov 2024 19:40]
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It makes as much sense as those who believes that ITFC had been mugged off by spending £20m on a loan because MC could buy the player back for £20m whenever because a few bored media numbskulls had written it - see thread the other day.
If you have to trade you do it at season’s end unless you are forced to mess about in Jan. There’s no evidence whatsoever we are in that situation, given who we were trying to sign at the end of the summer window and if they are to be believed, the words from owners and the CEO.
As it goes, I can see one or two fringe players going out, including sadly Broadhead, and a loan for AAH and a two or three coming in - hopefully a wide player and some back up or competition for Delap and Hirst, if we can find anyone. | | | |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 20:10 - Nov 26 with 1275 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:47 - Nov 26 by Churchman |
It makes as much sense as those who believes that ITFC had been mugged off by spending £20m on a loan because MC could buy the player back for £20m whenever because a few bored media numbskulls had written it - see thread the other day.
If you have to trade you do it at season’s end unless you are forced to mess about in Jan. There’s no evidence whatsoever we are in that situation, given who we were trying to sign at the end of the summer window and if they are to be believed, the words from owners and the CEO.
As it goes, I can see one or two fringe players going out, including sadly Broadhead, and a loan for AAH and a two or three coming in - hopefully a wide player and some back up or competition for Delap and Hirst, if we can find anyone. |
There aren't really any words from them other than being limited by ffp. Which is obvious. What we don't know is what that limit is.
But look we both seem to agree that it's highly unlikely. But as it I'd completely a hypothetical situation it's good to discuss the potentials as if they happen then it's forseen and understandable.
But I'm in your camp in who I think will go out and what we bring in. | |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 20:19 - Nov 26 with 1247 views | ReusersTown |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 19:39 - Nov 26 by FrimleyBlue |
It's only a worse place when posts are made like yours having a go at another poster rather than ignoring something you don't want to discuss.
He's shared a link. It can be discussed if people wish to. Or ignored if people don't. |
That stance is not a surprise coming from a poster like yourself Frimley. [Post edited 26 Nov 2024 20:20]
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 20:21 - Nov 26 with 1234 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 20:19 - Nov 26 by ReusersTown |
That stance is not a surprise coming from a poster like yourself Frimley. [Post edited 26 Nov 2024 20:20]
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Indeed. I like to discuss anything town related. | |
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| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 20:21 - Nov 26 with 1231 views | ibbleobble |
| Anyone want some delap def info ? on 15:13 - Nov 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
No. Many were led to believe by the likes of Fabrizio Romano for example that we had a number in place with city that we had to agree to no matter what happens. That is untrue |
In what world would that be a deal we’d take on!? It’s so obviously nonsense. | | | |
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