| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong 19:31 - Dec 8 with 2447 views | cambourneblue |
Haladky should of stayed |  | | |  |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 19:34 - Dec 8 with 2171 views | itfcsuth |
Hladky wouldn’t be good enough for the PL. |  | | |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 19:36 - Dec 8 with 2146 views | Illinoisblue |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 19:34 - Dec 8 by itfcsuth |
Hladky wouldn’t be good enough for the PL. |
Neither is Muric |  |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 19:52 - Dec 8 with 2058 views | bluejacko |
He was offered a contract! Not our fault he didn’t sign it is it? | | | |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:00 - Dec 8 with 2007 views | ITFCSG |
It beggars belief that after looking the whole summer and having £8 million budget for a keeper the best option for us was Muric.
Surely there were better options abroad, or even in the Championship?
£8 million could probably have signed BOTH Cooper from Plymouth (now at Sheff Utd) and Palmer from WBA with plenty of cash to spare, and I don't think either of them would be as brainless and prone to cock-ups like kamikaze Muric. I have watched Cooper since L1 days and all round he is a much better keeper than Muric, who was apparently signed after looking at some gk data software.
Burnley must be laughing all the way to the bank. [Post edited 8 Dec 2024 20:05]
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:14 - Dec 8 with 1935 views | bournemouthblue |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 19:52 - Dec 8 by bluejacko |
He was offered a contract! Not our fault he didn’t sign it is it? |
I suspect it was only a one year deal, I understand why weren't overly keen for a longer one given his age and the level we were stepping up to
Muric certainly looks like the wrong replacement, albeit I do think he has a lot of qualities to be a top keeper. What I suspect our metrics, whatever they are, didn't tell us were his decision making? |  |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:14 - Dec 8 with 1931 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Where did you find him? |  |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:21 - Dec 8 with 1880 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:00 - Dec 8 by ITFCSG |
It beggars belief that after looking the whole summer and having £8 million budget for a keeper the best option for us was Muric.
Surely there were better options abroad, or even in the Championship?
£8 million could probably have signed BOTH Cooper from Plymouth (now at Sheff Utd) and Palmer from WBA with plenty of cash to spare, and I don't think either of them would be as brainless and prone to cock-ups like kamikaze Muric. I have watched Cooper since L1 days and all round he is a much better keeper than Muric, who was apparently signed after looking at some gk data software.
Burnley must be laughing all the way to the bank. [Post edited 8 Dec 2024 20:05]
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Surely?!
We have no idea who was available, who of those were interested in a move, who of those were happy with the wages on offer, etc, etc.
It's so easy to assume we had the pick of the bunch, but realistically, we are a club punching way above our weight, favourites for relegation, and looking for excellent characters to join the squad.
I think it's obvious that it makes the pickings slim. And holding to a business model for the type of player we want takes guts and risk.
Not every Signing will pay off, but I'd rather we stuck to the business model and made a mistake or two than buy any player, even if they don't quite fit. This club needs to be here long after we are still around, and so far, I think we've done a bloody good job, even if one or two decisions won't pan out. [Post edited 8 Dec 2024 20:22]
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:25 - Dec 8 with 1837 views | DavoIPB |
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Muric way better than any keeper we have had for a long time. | | | |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:31 - Dec 8 with 1816 views | Swansea_Blue |
Did you find him? |  |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:37 - Dec 8 with 1758 views | olimar |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 19:36 - Dec 8 by Illinoisblue |
Neither is Muric |
That is clearly up for debate currently, whether we can get better than Muric also, but Hladcky is going to finish his career with a CV that wont compare at all with Muric. | | | |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:40 - Dec 8 with 1732 views | balticblue |
If you’re going to flounce, at least use English correctly. It’s should HAVE stayed |  | | |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:41 - Dec 8 with 1725 views | BlueForYou |
Hladky wasn't ever going to be a Premiership goalkeeper. He was last years Muric but we were able to score goals so his mistakes were somewhat forgotten. We need a competent keeper who can do the basics well, make saves, & instill some confidence in those ahead of him. We've got the GK position badly wrong. |  | | |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:44 - Dec 8 with 1697 views | carlisleaway |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:37 - Dec 8 by olimar |
That is clearly up for debate currently, whether we can get better than Muric also, but Hladcky is going to finish his career with a CV that wont compare at all with Muric. |
Muric is uncomfortable with the ball at his feet, kicking is irregular, always seems to waste time rather than get the ball moving to start up a quick attack. By the time he releases a ball the opposition are already set up to stop any quick move.
Not sure who is worse Serini or Muric, at this present time both keepers look like they will get an Ipswich team relegated. |  | | |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:45 - Dec 8 with 1689 views | Nutkins_Return |
The spelling here is much much worse than the goalkeeping of Muric.
Poor decision for their opener but he's been performing pretty well last few weeks. Reality is we score a second and we go on to win. We are not shipping tons of goals. I hate this making him a scapegoat. I do accept he made a poor decision for that goal. He is not the only one in the team making mistakes it's just he is a keeper and it gets blown up much more.
He is a much better goalkeeper that Hladky. I would fully expect to have conceded more with Vaz in goal to be honest. Not the same ones necessarily of course. | |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:51 - Dec 8 with 1646 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:25 - Dec 8 by DavoIPB |
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Muric way better than any keeper we have had for a long time. |
Depends what we look for in a keeper. There was an interesting discussion today on R5 Live about keepers/defenders and Arsenal’s excellent set piece record. The thinking being that keepers aren’t as big/physical as they were because the top teams are looking for sweeper keepers who can play as an extra CB when on the ball. We had that with Hladky. We’ve gone bigger with Muric, but it’s hard to know whether swapping cross catching/shot stopping for on the ball composure/distribution is an upgrade or not overall. Muric’s saved things Hladky probably wouldn’t have, but he’s also given the ball away/made an error of judgement where maybe Hladky wouldn’t have too. [Post edited 8 Dec 2024 21:01]
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:57 - Dec 8 with 1615 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
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The spelling here is much much worse than the goalkeeping of Muric.
Poor decision for their opener but he's been performing pretty well last few weeks. Reality is we score a second and we go on to win. We are not shipping tons of goals. I hate this making him a scapegoat. I do accept he made a poor decision for that goal. He is not the only one in the team making mistakes it's just he is a keeper and it gets blown up much more.
He is a much better goalkeeper that Hladky. I would fully expect to have conceded more with Vaz in goal to be honest. Not the same ones necessarily of course. |
It's also very easy to imagine another keeper doing better, when they have, in fact, had absolutely no experience playing at this level, and we have no frame of reference to make a comparison. | | | |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:03 - Dec 8 with 1562 views | Illinoisblue |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:37 - Dec 8 by olimar |
That is clearly up for debate currently, whether we can get better than Muric also, but Hladcky is going to finish his career with a CV that wont compare at all with Muric. |
For sure. But the problem now is fans can’t trust Muric and I’m sure the players can’t either. His mental mistakes cause panic and errors.
He was known as a calamity head case at Burnley so would love to know what the analytics showed to make us sign him. The fact we employed a specialist goalkeeper.com data firm and ended up here is mind boggling.
One of the few mistakes of the gamechanger era but it’s a big one. | |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:07 - Dec 8 with 1534 views | blueislander |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:07 - Dec 8 with 1533 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 20:45 - Dec 8 by Nutkins_Return |
The spelling here is much much worse than the goalkeeping of Muric.
Poor decision for their opener but he's been performing pretty well last few weeks. Reality is we score a second and we go on to win. We are not shipping tons of goals. I hate this making him a scapegoat. I do accept he made a poor decision for that goal. He is not the only one in the team making mistakes it's just he is a keeper and it gets blown up much more.
He is a much better goalkeeper that Hladky. I would fully expect to have conceded more with Vaz in goal to be honest. Not the same ones necessarily of course. |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:14 - Dec 8 with 1493 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:03 - Dec 8 by Illinoisblue |
For sure. But the problem now is fans can’t trust Muric and I’m sure the players can’t either. His mental mistakes cause panic and errors.
He was known as a calamity head case at Burnley so would love to know what the analytics showed to make us sign him. The fact we employed a specialist goalkeeper.com data firm and ended up here is mind boggling.
One of the few mistakes of the gamechanger era but it’s a big one. |
I hope it’s just a case of us having a bit of a flounce and the players do still trust him. | |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:15 - Dec 8 with 1491 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:03 - Dec 8 by Illinoisblue |
For sure. But the problem now is fans can’t trust Muric and I’m sure the players can’t either. His mental mistakes cause panic and errors.
He was known as a calamity head case at Burnley so would love to know what the analytics showed to make us sign him. The fact we employed a specialist goalkeeper.com data firm and ended up here is mind boggling.
One of the few mistakes of the gamechanger era but it’s a big one. |
Surely the most salient question is if the MANAGER/PLAYERS trust Muric? If they do, above the other keepers in the squad, we really can't question his position in the first team.
Yes, he has a clanger or two in him, but he has plenty about him from a shot stopping perspective (Man City, Forest, to name but two incredible saves) and I think (today excepted) he shows a lot of command in the box from set pieces and crosses. [Post edited 8 Dec 2024 21:15]
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'have'
Everyone does it. |  |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:32 - Dec 8 with 1405 views | Illinoisblue |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:15 - Dec 8 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Surely the most salient question is if the MANAGER/PLAYERS trust Muric? If they do, above the other keepers in the squad, we really can't question his position in the first team.
Yes, he has a clanger or two in him, but he has plenty about him from a shot stopping perspective (Man City, Forest, to name but two incredible saves) and I think (today excepted) he shows a lot of command in the box from set pieces and crosses. [Post edited 8 Dec 2024 21:15]
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Not to be all Keane about it but making saves… “that’s his job!” | |
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| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:15 - Dec 8 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Surely the most salient question is if the MANAGER/PLAYERS trust Muric? If they do, above the other keepers in the squad, we really can't question his position in the first team.
Yes, he has a clanger or two in him, but he has plenty about him from a shot stopping perspective (Man City, Forest, to name but two incredible saves) and I think (today excepted) he shows a lot of command in the box from set pieces and crosses. [Post edited 8 Dec 2024 21:15]
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I beg to differ. He has probably saved us a couple of points (Villa, Brighton, Tottenham comes to mind) but how many has he lost? Far more than what he has saved.
Obviously we wouldn't have won at Man City even though he gifted them a goal, but the cock-ups v Everton, Brentford, West Ham, Manure (50/50) and today may have already made the difference between relegation and survival.
It is clear that he has very poor decision making and awareness - and this is nothing new. How many times has he been caught in no man's land, punched the ball instead of catching, kicking straight out to an opponent, kicking the ball straight out of play, the list goes on. I am sure deep down if you ask Greaves, Tuanzebe, Burgess etc. even his old Burnley pal O'Shea none of them will say they feel comfortable or confident passing the ball back to him when the opposition press.
Besides the shockers at Burnley last season, he has been kamikaze way before that. See: https://talksport.com/football/582072/nottingham-forest-1-2-west-bromwich-albion
As I said, catching, footwork, commanding of the box etc can be worked on the training ground but not his footballing IQ and cognitive function. If I was Ashton and McK I'd be looking for another keeper this Jan. Even one from the Championship, a double swoop for Palmer and Fellows at WBA maybe? | | | |
| Sought muric out that’s what’s wrong on 21:54 - Dec 8 with 1335 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
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I beg to differ. He has probably saved us a couple of points (Villa, Brighton, Tottenham comes to mind) but how many has he lost? Far more than what he has saved.
Obviously we wouldn't have won at Man City even though he gifted them a goal, but the cock-ups v Everton, Brentford, West Ham, Manure (50/50) and today may have already made the difference between relegation and survival.
It is clear that he has very poor decision making and awareness - and this is nothing new. How many times has he been caught in no man's land, punched the ball instead of catching, kicking straight out to an opponent, kicking the ball straight out of play, the list goes on. I am sure deep down if you ask Greaves, Tuanzebe, Burgess etc. even his old Burnley pal O'Shea none of them will say they feel comfortable or confident passing the ball back to him when the opposition press.
Besides the shockers at Burnley last season, he has been kamikaze way before that. See: https://talksport.com/football/582072/nottingham-forest-1-2-west-bromwich-albion
As I said, catching, footwork, commanding of the box etc can be worked on the training ground but not his footballing IQ and cognitive function. If I was Ashton and McK I'd be looking for another keeper this Jan. Even one from the Championship, a double swoop for Palmer and Fellows at WBA maybe? |
I appreciate the argument regarding goalkeeping errors, but take Walton's game against Liverpool. Could Muric have potentially saved those two shots? We don't know. Had Walton been our main keeper thus far, would he have made other errors that would have cost us dearly? We don't know.
The only thing KMc has to go by is the way his keepers perform in training, week in, week out. Maybe Walton just isn't making the argument for himself on the training ground to convince KMc that Muric is worth dropping? [Post edited 8 Dec 2024 21:55]
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