| Out of everything VAR has got involved in 22:12 - Dec 16 with 2778 views | Garv |
That West Ham penalty is one of the worst.
Winger gets a good cross in and puts it on a plate for the striker who heads it straight at the keeper. But for the bounce of the ball Bowen would have had a tap in on the rebound. Bournemouth clear.
"Actually, can we rewind time 10 seconds because the ball might have brushed the defenders hand on its way into the box before the lad missed a sitter. If you could watch the replay 20 times on the tiny monitor for no reason and then give a penalty that would be great."
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 22:17 - Dec 16 with 2728 views | SitfcB |
Looked inconclusive as to wether it even hit his hand as well. |  |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 22:36 - Dec 16 with 2623 views | Scuzzer |
In other words it had absolutely no impact on the resultant play. Really need to change how the handball law is applied. |  |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 22:42 - Dec 16 with 2572 views | SE1blue |
It was much better 30-40 years ago when you moaned about one to two bad decisions in a season purely because of crap refereeing.
Now it's like they're looking to find and create crap decisions that shouldn't even exist.
I'd take a short-sighted ref over technology manufacturing stuff. |  |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 22:44 - Dec 16 with 2561 views | Garv |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 22:42 - Dec 16 by SE1blue |
It was much better 30-40 years ago when you moaned about one to two bad decisions in a season purely because of crap refereeing.
Now it's like they're looking to find and create crap decisions that shouldn't even exist.
I'd take a short-sighted ref over technology manufacturing stuff. |
It just goes completely against what sport is.
That's the plainest way I can explain VAR. | |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 23:24 - Dec 16 with 2433 views | Plums |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 22:42 - Dec 16 by SE1blue |
It was much better 30-40 years ago when you moaned about one to two bad decisions in a season purely because of crap refereeing.
Now it's like they're looking to find and create crap decisions that shouldn't even exist.
I'd take a short-sighted ref over technology manufacturing stuff. |
I don't imagine there's a ref anywhere who would have given that as an on-field penalty. VAR has distorted some aspects of the game beyond all levels of reasonableness and recognition. |  |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 00:12 - Dec 17 with 2328 views | berkstractorboy |
And besides all that it didn't really impact the cross given the slightest of touches we were told its a high bar for VAR to get involved. Just complete nonsense of the application of VAR once again.
I hated the pen too, there is no way a pen like that should stand he completely stops so has sold the keeper, that needs to be looked at as well. |  | | |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 06:36 - Dec 17 with 2104 views | tonybied |
I'm not sure I agree with a lot of the whining on this thread, handball is handball. It makes not a jot of difference if it stops a cross from getting in the box or not. The hand was raised up high away from the body too so can't exactly be claimed as in a natural position.
The last thing we need to start doing is adding more doubt to such a binary law as handball by getting the officials to decide if the handball created a disadvantage or not. It would create something else that would take an age for VAR to decide and possibly just end up creating even more controversy. |  | | |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 07:07 - Dec 17 with 2036 views | DanTheMan |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 06:36 - Dec 17 by tonybied |
I'm not sure I agree with a lot of the whining on this thread, handball is handball. It makes not a jot of difference if it stops a cross from getting in the box or not. The hand was raised up high away from the body too so can't exactly be claimed as in a natural position.
The last thing we need to start doing is adding more doubt to such a binary law as handball by getting the officials to decide if the handball created a disadvantage or not. It would create something else that would take an age for VAR to decide and possibly just end up creating even more controversy. |
I agree with this. It was up in the air, it definitely hit it. Don't think VAR got much wrong.
Unlucky for Adams as I don't think he meant to do it. |  |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 07:20 - Dec 17 with 1993 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 22:42 - Dec 16 by SE1blue |
It was much better 30-40 years ago when you moaned about one to two bad decisions in a season purely because of crap refereeing.
Now it's like they're looking to find and create crap decisions that shouldn't even exist.
I'd take a short-sighted ref over technology manufacturing stuff. |
I think that is massively rewriting history. It was morning about refs every week and most games and calls for why we can't use tech like other sports.
They are starting to get the balance right now but I completely agree on that pen last night that you don't need to go hunting for decisions to give. It's another are to tighten up. Don't need to go and find a reason for a penalty especially where something is completely and obviously no deliberate. This is about the rules and implementation of VAR. VAR just needs to be a tool for checking for the most part. (Or something really obvious like serious foul play off the ball. Not finding a ball has brushed a hand). | |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 07:52 - Dec 17 with 1919 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 06:36 - Dec 17 by tonybied |
I'm not sure I agree with a lot of the whining on this thread, handball is handball. It makes not a jot of difference if it stops a cross from getting in the box or not. The hand was raised up high away from the body too so can't exactly be claimed as in a natural position.
The last thing we need to start doing is adding more doubt to such a binary law as handball by getting the officials to decide if the handball created a disadvantage or not. It would create something else that would take an age for VAR to decide and possibly just end up creating even more controversy. |
Trouble is PGMOL have made a rod for their own backs with the 'Unnatural position' ballacks.
Why they don't say, it's handball if the hand changes the flight/direction of the ball I'll never know, so on VAR review last night, that wouldn't have counted as a handball. |  |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 09:19 - Dec 17 with 1763 views | OldFart71 |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 22:42 - Dec 16 by SE1blue |
It was much better 30-40 years ago when you moaned about one to two bad decisions in a season purely because of crap refereeing.
Now it's like they're looking to find and create crap decisions that shouldn't even exist.
I'd take a short-sighted ref over technology manufacturing stuff. |
Yeah, but in truth it's not technology. It still boils down to a few blokes looking at a screen and then making a decision. If it was purely technology, no human input then the outcome would/should be the same in every game. But because it's humans making the decisions it's open to opinion, bias and however those humans are feeling on that day. | | | |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 09:45 - Dec 17 with 1703 views | Stewart27 |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 23:24 - Dec 16 by Plums |
I don't imagine there's a ref anywhere who would have given that as an on-field penalty. VAR has distorted some aspects of the game beyond all levels of reasonableness and recognition. |
There were morons in front of a monitor telling the ref to look at that handball again.
There were morons who said “nothing to see here” when Chaplin was assaulted in the box against Leicester.
The game is fundamentally broken. | | | |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 10:30 - Dec 17 with 1629 views | Guthrum |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 07:52 - Dec 17 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Trouble is PGMOL have made a rod for their own backs with the 'Unnatural position' ballacks.
Why they don't say, it's handball if the hand changes the flight/direction of the ball I'll never know, so on VAR review last night, that wouldn't have counted as a handball. |
Think the idea was to exclude situations where the ball is booted from short range and hits a player's hand/arm when it is tight to their side, i.e. not to penalise the player in a scenario where they are a victim of chance while deliberately trying to keep their hands out of the way.
All other fouls involve an element of intentional, conscious or negligent action (e.g. attempting to tackle with a trip, or moving offside), so it is in line with that. |  |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 10:45 - Dec 17 with 1592 views | BloomBlue |
Talking of VAR, with all the craziness of Taylor scoring the winner on Sat, did VAR check it?
Looking at the goal Al-Hamadi was standing in an offside position, initially in front of the GK, at the point Taylor heads it.
Obviously VAR didn't overrule it, and it's possible I could have cried if it had given the mad celebration, but didn't notice anything about VAR checking it. |  | | |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 11:01 - Dec 17 with 1556 views | tonybied |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 10:45 - Dec 17 by BloomBlue |
Talking of VAR, with all the craziness of Taylor scoring the winner on Sat, did VAR check it?
Looking at the goal Al-Hamadi was standing in an offside position, initially in front of the GK, at the point Taylor heads it.
Obviously VAR didn't overrule it, and it's possible I could have cried if it had given the mad celebration, but didn't notice anything about VAR checking it. |
The commentary team said it was being checked and was cleared at the time. | | | |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 11:31 - Dec 17 with 1482 views | Garv |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 06:36 - Dec 17 by tonybied |
I'm not sure I agree with a lot of the whining on this thread, handball is handball. It makes not a jot of difference if it stops a cross from getting in the box or not. The hand was raised up high away from the body too so can't exactly be claimed as in a natural position.
The last thing we need to start doing is adding more doubt to such a binary law as handball by getting the officials to decide if the handball created a disadvantage or not. It would create something else that would take an age for VAR to decide and possibly just end up creating even more controversy. |
I don't think handball is handball at all. There will always be subjectivity around it, and surely common sense? Not quite the same but there's a reason players don't tend to get yellow carded in the first few minutes of games, despite the fact that isn't the law.
To not give the handball in real time you're effectively playing advantage, which is completely correct considering WH were still able to have a shot on goal from 5 yards.
Again, add in the fact they had to watch the replay in slow motion 10 times, and it's a complete farce. | |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 11:37 - Dec 17 with 1462 views | Benters |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 22:42 - Dec 16 by SE1blue |
It was much better 30-40 years ago when you moaned about one to two bad decisions in a season purely because of crap refereeing.
Now it's like they're looking to find and create crap decisions that shouldn't even exist.
I'd take a short-sighted ref over technology manufacturing stuff. |
This. |  |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 12:35 - Dec 17 with 1367 views | Plums |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 07:52 - Dec 17 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Trouble is PGMOL have made a rod for their own backs with the 'Unnatural position' ballacks.
Why they don't say, it's handball if the hand changes the flight/direction of the ball I'll never know, so on VAR review last night, that wouldn't have counted as a handball. |
It's IFAB, not PGMOL who have decreed this:
It is an offence if a player:
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised.
The player last night made a lunge with his leg to block the cross which caused his arm to be raised for balance. It was a ludicrous decision using the above definition IMHO | |
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| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 13:57 - Dec 17 with 1244 views | tonybied |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 12:35 - Dec 17 by Plums |
It's IFAB, not PGMOL who have decreed this:
It is an offence if a player:
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised.
The player last night made a lunge with his leg to block the cross which caused his arm to be raised for balance. It was a ludicrous decision using the above definition IMHO |
Sorry, that just doesn't wash with me. The defender has made the wrong tybe of challenge, which has caused his arm to be in that position. You wouldn't say an unintentional trip on one of our players in the penalty area is not a foul just because the opposition player didn't mean it. Again that would be the wrong type of challenge for the situation. The defender was done by the pace/power/positioning/skill of the the attacker, that's unlucky and unfortunate but the ball hit his hand when it was in an extended position. | | | |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 14:43 - Dec 17 with 1191 views | BloomBlue |
| Out of everything VAR has got involved in on 11:01 - Dec 17 by tonybied |
The commentary team said it was being checked and was cleared at the time. |
Ok, I had assumed they would. Thanks | | | |
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