| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? 15:05 - Dec 17 with 12118 views | bluelagos |
Govt just announced they won't be compensated.
Am split tbh, on the one hand the pension age changes were very much in the public domain, but I guess if those impacted weren't aware (or written to) then can see why they'd be mighty peeved.
Plus I guess any dosh that does go their way is less for public services etc.
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| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 20:27 - Dec 18 with 1570 views | DJR |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 18:23 - Dec 18 by Swansea_Blue |
I think this is a joint effort. Labour increased to 65, the Coalition accelerated the implementation and then upped the qualifying age again. Any ire can be thrown the way of all 3 parties.
A lot of people don’t seem to have an issue with the age changes though, which is probably why there’s not huge pushback on here. |
It was the Tories in 1995 which increased it to 65, Labour in 2007 which increased it to 68, and the coalition in 2011 (with Steve Webb, a Lib Dem, the responsible minister) which accelerated both those changes. |  | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 21:29 - Dec 18 with 1499 views | Pinewoodblue |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 19:06 - Dec 18 by redrickstuhaart |
The age changes are just inarguable in principle. But many are still conflating the two things.
Example on the radio earlier, speaking with angry Waspi protesters. One said she had to live on savings for 5 years. Not sure how that came about, she did not have to stop work.... But fair enough, perhaps she had made detailed plans which resulted in ending work at 60 and was wealthy enough to maintain that early retirement and her plans.
Second one, just complained about no longer being able to retire at 60, and having to keep working until 65. Which she can really have no complaints about, and has nothing to di with the governments decision (which, of course, should have been take by the last government 3 years ago when the Ombudsman report came out) |
Think you will find the final report came out in March |  |
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| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 21:47 - Dec 18 with 1467 views | Pinewoodblue |
Copied this from within your link.
Women’s State Pension age: our findings on injustice and associated issues
21 March 2024
Our investigation found that thousands of women may have been affected by DWP’s failure to adequately inform them that the State Pension age had changed. The investigation had three stages.
If only you could carry out your own fact checks before posting. | |
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| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 21:50 - Dec 18 with 1451 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 21:47 - Dec 18 by Pinewoodblue |
Copied this from within your link.
Women’s State Pension age: our findings on injustice and associated issues
21 March 2024
Our investigation found that thousands of women may have been affected by DWP’s failure to adequately inform them that the State Pension age had changed. The investigation had three stages.
If only you could carry out your own fact checks before posting. |
I dont see it on there. Only date I have spotted is 2021. However, more than happy to be corrected if I have missed something whilst looking swiftly. I suspect very few in this thread have even looked up the report and seen its conclusions.
Lets call it march. Still should have been dealt with by the previous government.... |  | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 22:01 - Dec 18 with 1439 views | Pinewoodblue |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 21:50 - Dec 18 by redrickstuhaart |
I dont see it on there. Only date I have spotted is 2021. However, more than happy to be corrected if I have missed something whilst looking swiftly. I suspect very few in this thread have even looked up the report and seen its conclusions.
Lets call it march. Still should have been dealt with by the previous government.... |
I read the report before commenting earlier.
Incidentally don’t think you saw a 2021 date anywhere. You made that up, you are Keir Starmer and I claim my £5. | |
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| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 22:10 - Dec 18 with 1431 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 22:01 - Dec 18 by Pinewoodblue |
I read the report before commenting earlier.
Incidentally don’t think you saw a 2021 date anywhere. You made that up, you are Keir Starmer and I claim my £5. |
Don't judge people by your own standards.
"© Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman copyright 2021." [Post edited 19 Dec 2024 7:58]
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| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 05:02 - Dec 19 with 1374 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 22:01 - Dec 18 by Pinewoodblue |
I read the report before commenting earlier.
Incidentally don’t think you saw a 2021 date anywhere. You made that up, you are Keir Starmer and I claim my £5. |
Anyway is n't Keir Starmer an Arsenal supporter ?
Or did I just make that up ?
That was found rattling around this dullards brain like a pea in a tin. |  | | |
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| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 08:20 - Dec 19 with 1320 views | DJR |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 22:10 - Dec 18 by redrickstuhaart |
Don't judge people by your own standards.
"© Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman copyright 2021." [Post edited 19 Dec 2024 7:58]
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It was the first stage of the report that was published in (July) 2021, and the second and third stages that were published in March 2024.
This from a BBC article on 21 March 2024.
"In 2021, the body published the first stage of its report, which criticised the government for being too slow to inform women about how they would be affected.
The women are hoping that their evidence will be treated with the same "respect" the Ombudsman gave to the government evidence, and see the injustices they suffered.
Today we are awaiting the publication of the second and third parts of its investigation, which deal with whether those communication failings amounted to "injustice" and possible recommendations on compensation."
And here are the two reports.
https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/sites/default/files/Women%E2%80%99s_State_Pension_a
https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/sites/default/files/Women%E2%80%99s-State-Pension-a | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 10:51 - Dec 19 with 1223 views | Churchman |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 08:20 - Dec 19 by DJR |
It was the first stage of the report that was published in (July) 2021, and the second and third stages that were published in March 2024.
This from a BBC article on 21 March 2024.
"In 2021, the body published the first stage of its report, which criticised the government for being too slow to inform women about how they would be affected.
The women are hoping that their evidence will be treated with the same "respect" the Ombudsman gave to the government evidence, and see the injustices they suffered.
Today we are awaiting the publication of the second and third parts of its investigation, which deal with whether those communication failings amounted to "injustice" and possible recommendations on compensation."
And here are the two reports.
https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/sites/default/files/Women%E2%80%99s_State_Pension_a
https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/sites/default/files/Women%E2%80%99s-State-Pension-a |
Thanks for posting these. Interesting - I’ve only quickly read them so far and will look at them properly later. I noticed the scale of remedies at the end. Mrs C would have been entitled to nothing or very little, which is fair enough based on what I’ve read and already know.
DWP take a pasting. In my work I didn’t have too many dealings with DWP though I went to a fair few meetings in Caxton House, Tothill Street. DWP never had the best of reputations, shall we say though that’s no reflection on the individuals, one or two I worked with on cross department projects in later years.
I’d be interested to know how much it cost to produce this report (government / NGO work is all costed, for those that don’t know), just so we can see how much money was wasted.
I presume things such things as Ombudsman are a thing of the past (the government clearly attach no value whatsoever to it) might save a bit of time and money, but the opportunity to right wrongs and to learn from mistakes will also be lost which cannot be good. |  | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 11:18 - Dec 19 with 1192 views | Pinewoodblue |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 10:51 - Dec 19 by Churchman |
Thanks for posting these. Interesting - I’ve only quickly read them so far and will look at them properly later. I noticed the scale of remedies at the end. Mrs C would have been entitled to nothing or very little, which is fair enough based on what I’ve read and already know.
DWP take a pasting. In my work I didn’t have too many dealings with DWP though I went to a fair few meetings in Caxton House, Tothill Street. DWP never had the best of reputations, shall we say though that’s no reflection on the individuals, one or two I worked with on cross department projects in later years.
I’d be interested to know how much it cost to produce this report (government / NGO work is all costed, for those that don’t know), just so we can see how much money was wasted.
I presume things such things as Ombudsman are a thing of the past (the government clearly attach no value whatsoever to it) might save a bit of time and money, but the opportunity to right wrongs and to learn from mistakes will also be lost which cannot be good. |
Tories would have done the same.
Need to wait and see if Waspi follow up with a class action lawsuit. | |
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| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 11:52 - Dec 19 with 1141 views | Churchman |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 11:18 - Dec 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Tories would have done the same.
Need to wait and see if Waspi follow up with a class action lawsuit. |
The tories would probably have billed the Waspi women for wasting their time! But that’s them and why they are finished. I just hoped the current mob might have handled it a little better. | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 11:58 - Dec 19 with 1131 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 11:18 - Dec 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Tories would have done the same.
Need to wait and see if Waspi follow up with a class action lawsuit. |
They have no legal basis for a claim. As the ombudsman observed. | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 15:39 - Dec 19 with 1032 views | bluejacko |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 11:18 - Dec 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Tories would have done the same.
Need to wait and see if Waspi follow up with a class action lawsuit. |
You’re right BUT the tories didn’t make promises they had no intention of keeping that’s the big difference!
One of the organisers was on tv last night and she said this is not going away and more than a few Labour MPs up north are right behind them. | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 16:23 - Dec 19 with 1009 views | DJR |
#BringBackSueGray | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 16:38 - Dec 19 with 977 views | BloomBlue |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 11:18 - Dec 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Tories would have done the same.
Need to wait and see if Waspi follow up with a class action lawsuit. |
The Tories basically said they would dp the same. The difference is Keir liar Starmer and Anglea Liar Rayner condemned the Tories and said they would pay the WASPI women
As I've said above if we have another PPI type situation the private sector should refuse to pay irrelevant of what an ombudsman or public enquiry state, as the Gov have set a rule.. you can ignore.
Have a problem with an insurance company not paying for your home flooded with the recent floods, where do you complain? Correct, the ombudsman. Now let's say the ombudsman rules in your favour, Insurance companies can now say feck you.
You might as we disband all ombudsman now. |  | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 17:15 - Dec 19 with 933 views | Churchman |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 16:38 - Dec 19 by BloomBlue |
The Tories basically said they would dp the same. The difference is Keir liar Starmer and Anglea Liar Rayner condemned the Tories and said they would pay the WASPI women
As I've said above if we have another PPI type situation the private sector should refuse to pay irrelevant of what an ombudsman or public enquiry state, as the Gov have set a rule.. you can ignore.
Have a problem with an insurance company not paying for your home flooded with the recent floods, where do you complain? Correct, the ombudsman. Now let's say the ombudsman rules in your favour, Insurance companies can now say feck you.
You might as we disband all ombudsman now. |
This is precisely my issue with it. On the basis of what this government has decided (they are in the chair and they made the decision), any compensation recommended by any review or advisory board in future can now be ignored whether private or public sector. | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 17:41 - Dec 19 with 911 views | tractordownsouth |
Here are two of the six cases put forward to the Ombudsman as being deserving of compensation. Absolutely bonkers that people supposedly on the left want to give out money to;
- A woman who retired at 47(seemingly not due to ill health)
- A woman who owns two rental properties and expected her pension to pay the maintenance costs while the tenants paid off her mortgages.
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| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 18:03 - Dec 19 with 887 views | Churchman |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 17:41 - Dec 19 by tractordownsouth |
Here are two of the six cases put forward to the Ombudsman as being deserving of compensation. Absolutely bonkers that people supposedly on the left want to give out money to;
- A woman who retired at 47(seemingly not due to ill health)
- A woman who owns two rental properties and expected her pension to pay the maintenance costs while the tenants paid off her mortgages.
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The summary of the levels of injustice and ranges of compensation are on page 96 of the report attached in a post above. Probably a better summary, given in excess of 3.5 million women were affected. Most of those would have got nothing, including Mrs C.
Those who were severely affected might have received some limited compensation, depending on circumstance. | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 18:34 - Dec 19 with 863 views | Ryorry |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 15:39 - Dec 19 by bluejacko |
You’re right BUT the tories didn’t make promises they had no intention of keeping that’s the big difference!
One of the organisers was on tv last night and she said this is not going away and more than a few Labour MPs up north are right behind them. |
"You’re right BUT the tories didn’t make promises they had no intention of keeping that’s the big difference!"
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| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 19:09 - Dec 19 with 829 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 16:38 - Dec 19 by BloomBlue |
The Tories basically said they would dp the same. The difference is Keir liar Starmer and Anglea Liar Rayner condemned the Tories and said they would pay the WASPI women
As I've said above if we have another PPI type situation the private sector should refuse to pay irrelevant of what an ombudsman or public enquiry state, as the Gov have set a rule.. you can ignore.
Have a problem with an insurance company not paying for your home flooded with the recent floods, where do you complain? Correct, the ombudsman. Now let's say the ombudsman rules in your favour, Insurance companies can now say feck you.
You might as we disband all ombudsman now. |
That doesnt make sense. The ombudsman is a consumer system- the government is not bound by their reports in the way trades are. | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 19:34 - Dec 19 with 801 views | DJR |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 19:09 - Dec 19 by redrickstuhaart |
That doesnt make sense. The ombudsman is a consumer system- the government is not bound by their reports in the way trades are. |
The Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman (PHSO) comprises the offices of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration (PCA) and the Health Service Commissioner for England (HSC). The Ombudsman is responsible for considering complaints by the public that UK Government departments, public authorities and the National Health Service in England have not acted properly or fairly or have provided a poor service.
If the Ombudsman finds that there has been injustice caused by maladministration or a failure in service, a remedy to put things right can be proposed. This can include an apology, a compensation payment for hardship or injustice and compensation for financial loss. Although the Ombudsman does not possess the power to compel a public authority to adhere to its findings, in practice, the public authority will comply. In 2010–11, more than 99% of the individual recommendations for remedy made by the Ombudsman were accepted by the body complained about.
I imagine in this case it is the amount of compensation that has prompted the government to reject its findings. | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 19:38 - Dec 19 with 790 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 18:34 - Dec 19 by Ryorry |
"You’re right BUT the tories didn’t make promises they had no intention of keeping that’s the big difference!"
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We have no idea what their intention was at the time... | | | |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 19:40 - Dec 19 with 779 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So what's the Twtd view on Waspi women? on 19:34 - Dec 19 by DJR |
The Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman (PHSO) comprises the offices of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration (PCA) and the Health Service Commissioner for England (HSC). The Ombudsman is responsible for considering complaints by the public that UK Government departments, public authorities and the National Health Service in England have not acted properly or fairly or have provided a poor service.
If the Ombudsman finds that there has been injustice caused by maladministration or a failure in service, a remedy to put things right can be proposed. This can include an apology, a compensation payment for hardship or injustice and compensation for financial loss. Although the Ombudsman does not possess the power to compel a public authority to adhere to its findings, in practice, the public authority will comply. In 2010–11, more than 99% of the individual recommendations for remedy made by the Ombudsman were accepted by the body complained about.
I imagine in this case it is the amount of compensation that has prompted the government to reject its findings. |
The report was requested by parliament and never binding. It was outside of the usual ombudsman process.
Most of the other ombudsman systems work differently. For instance, financial services companies have to sign up to be part of the ombudsman scheme and are effectively bound by their awards.
Bloom is simply wrong to say that this particular, specific ombudsman service, in context of a report prepared for parliament which was never going to be binding, somehow means that insurance companies can ignore the Insurance Ombudsman. Its simply not accurate. | | | |
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