| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) 21:26 - Jan 16 with 2784 views | ITFC_84 |
|  | | |  |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) (n/t) on 21:27 - Jan 16 with 2779 views | Mckenna1263 |
I don't think that I have ever seen a team play so much football without ever getting the ball into the opposition box. Is it any wonder we create so few chances? [Post edited 16 Jan 21:31]
| | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) (n/t) on 21:32 - Jan 16 with 2692 views | ITFC_84 |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) (n/t) on 21:27 - Jan 16 by Mckenna1263 |
I don't think that I have ever seen a team play so much football without ever getting the ball into the opposition box. Is it any wonder we create so few chances? [Post edited 16 Jan 21:31]
|
It’s not the losing, it’s the fact we’ve looked MILES off it against these teams. | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 21:51 - Jan 16 with 2594 views | Stewart27 |
Bournemouth was a great game. | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) (n/t) on 21:58 - Jan 16 with 2562 views | Paramedic |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) (n/t) on 21:32 - Jan 16 by ITFC_84 |
It’s not the losing, it’s the fact we’ve looked MILES off it against these teams. |
Is that surprising? League 1 to championship to premiership in 3 seasons? We are really punching here even with the big money signings. Much patience and belief required. |  |
| |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 22:21 - Jan 16 with 2477 views | Blue_Heath |
Spot on, we haven't turned up in the games where we ought to be able to get a point at least. | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 22:23 - Jan 16 with 2454 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 21:51 - Jan 16 by Stewart27 |
Bournemouth was a great game. |
I think he spelt Newcastle wrong. |  | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 22:25 - Jan 16 with 2426 views | pointofblue |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 21:51 - Jan 16 by Stewart27 |
Bournemouth was a great game. |
Agreed, Bournemouth was a good game. Actually, tonight was far better than Palace and Everton until they scored. | |
| |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) (n/t) on 22:25 - Jan 16 with 2426 views | sjg |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) (n/t) on 21:58 - Jan 16 by Paramedic |
Is that surprising? League 1 to championship to premiership in 3 seasons? We are really punching here even with the big money signings. Much patience and belief required. |
Why even bother entering a team this year with this mentality? Yes what we’ve done is unbelievable over the last couple of seasons, but surely that doesn’t make the whole club exempt from criticism. | | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 22:46 - Jan 16 with 2299 views | ITFC_Forever |
Chelsea (h), Spurs (a), Man U (h), Villa (h) etc, definitely good enough. Anyone can cherry pick good / bad games. |  |
| |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 22:54 - Jan 16 with 2243 views | sjg |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 22:46 - Jan 16 by ITFC_Forever |
Chelsea (h), Spurs (a), Man U (h), Villa (h) etc, definitely good enough. Anyone can cherry pick good / bad games. |
If only there was something that summarised every game each team have played so you can see how they’re getting on in comparison to other teams | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) (n/t) on 05:52 - Jan 17 with 2010 views | Paramedic |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) (n/t) on 22:25 - Jan 16 by sjg |
Why even bother entering a team this year with this mentality? Yes what we’ve done is unbelievable over the last couple of seasons, but surely that doesn’t make the whole club exempt from criticism. |
It’s not about mentality. I’d love Town to storm the league and be in Europe next season. It’s being realistic. We’re playing in probably the toughest league in the world now. It’s going to take us time to get used to the jump. Hence patience and belief. If we can avoid the drop this year, then we can start to try to emulate clubs like Brighton etc. It wasn’t long ago we were enduring dross week on week under Marcus Evans with a tree growing out of a stand. To what we have now there’s no criticism from me. [Post edited 17 Jan 6:21]
| |
| |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 06:58 - Jan 17 with 1859 views | StokieBlue |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 22:54 - Jan 16 by sjg |
If only there was something that summarised every game each team have played so you can see how they’re getting on in comparison to other teams |
You mean the thing that shows us handling the massive step up from the championship better than the other teams who came up with us and who had far better funding over the last few years?
SB |  | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 07:08 - Jan 17 with 1782 views | sjg |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 06:58 - Jan 17 by StokieBlue |
You mean the thing that shows us handling the massive step up from the championship better than the other teams who came up with us and who had far better funding over the last few years?
SB |
Leagues got 20 teams in it pal not 3. Little old Ipswich lucky to be here mentality is not the way to consolidate in this league | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 07:34 - Jan 17 with 1697 views | StokieBlue |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 07:08 - Jan 17 by sjg |
Leagues got 20 teams in it pal not 3. Little old Ipswich lucky to be here mentality is not the way to consolidate in this league |
Context is important.
Unfortunately it's often ignored as you're doing now.
SB | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 07:43 - Jan 17 with 1634 views | sjg |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 07:34 - Jan 17 by StokieBlue |
Context is important.
Unfortunately it's often ignored as you're doing now.
SB |
I’m not even suggesting we should stay up - the context is we got into this league on merit and earned the right to compete with these teams, even the Man United, Liverpools etc. To then only compare our performance with the other 2 teams that got promoted as opposed to the 17 others gives us no chance.
There was a time to be sentimental, it was the first game. | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 07:52 - Jan 17 with 1588 views | StokieBlue |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 07:43 - Jan 17 by sjg |
I’m not even suggesting we should stay up - the context is we got into this league on merit and earned the right to compete with these teams, even the Man United, Liverpools etc. To then only compare our performance with the other 2 teams that got promoted as opposed to the 17 others gives us no chance.
There was a time to be sentimental, it was the first game. |
I would argue that isn't the context at all, it's a narrative and a nice one I agree.
The context is that we are years behind these teams in resources and experience and the fact we are doing better that others who came up shows we are moving in the right direction. To say that we should just immediately be competing consistently with the other teams in the league it's ignoring the context I've outlined above.
No team managed it last year. It's not being sentimental, it's being realistic with the context of the situation.
SB | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 08:03 - Jan 17 with 1530 views | sjg |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 07:52 - Jan 17 by StokieBlue |
I would argue that isn't the context at all, it's a narrative and a nice one I agree.
The context is that we are years behind these teams in resources and experience and the fact we are doing better that others who came up shows we are moving in the right direction. To say that we should just immediately be competing consistently with the other teams in the league it's ignoring the context I've outlined above.
No team managed it last year. It's not being sentimental, it's being realistic with the context of the situation.
SB |
The year before that all 3 teams managed it | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 08:10 - Jan 17 with 1504 views | StokieBlue |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 08:03 - Jan 17 by sjg |
The year before that all 3 teams managed it |
A fair point but that highlights that even the most recently promoted teams in the division outside Southampton and Leicester have at least 3 years of PL money versus our one year. Even Leicester and Southampton have more given only one season down and a long stay in the PL before that.
I just think it's important to remember the very real difference in context of where we are compared to other teams, it's not sentimentalism.
SB | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 08:17 - Jan 17 with 1465 views | Churchman |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 07:08 - Jan 17 by sjg |
Leagues got 20 teams in it pal not 3. Little old Ipswich lucky to be here mentality is not the way to consolidate in this league |
The division has twenty teams in it. Nineteen of them are better funded than us, have better youth systems, scouting, facilities, experience of playing at this level. The difference in levels is far greater than I thought it would be. That’s reality.
The club is trying like hell to bridge the gap. I don’t think it is bridgeable, but as long as they’re giving it a go and as a football club progressing, that’ll do me. We will be all the better for the experience.
Do I think we’ve got everything right? Of course not. Mistakes? Plenty. From messaging, to recruitment, to managerial decisions down to the players and everything in between probably. And that’s ok as long as you learn and move forward. It’s actually the only way to learn in any aspect life, especially the cutthroat world of professional sport.
Little old Ipswich lucky to be here mentality? I don’t see that. I see an attempt to catch up, to adjust and to improve. Look at the nature of signings (mostly younger players) and you’ll see no roll over surrender.
It’s all about context. Where we were, what we are, what we are trying to do and how we are going about it. Acceptance of failure or inadequacy? I saw that when Lyall’s and tbh a bit in Burleys team in 2002 (from Liverpool at home on) when they were relegated. I don’t see it here. [Post edited 17 Jan 8:34]
|  | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 09:38 - Jan 17 with 1352 views | tractorshark |
I think the issue is where are the 18 points coming from that are probably needed to avoid relegation this season?
I suspect we’ll pick up an unlikely win from somewhere (like Spurs and Chelsea) but when you look at our fixtures, realistically you don’t expect much from the return matches with City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea.
So then you’re hoping for wins against the sort of teams the OP mentions but so far our track record against those has been poor.
They are established Prem teams with savvy players and currently they’re doing a job on us.
I am staying optimistic and we are improving but we have to find a way in these matches because all the evidence right now points to relegation. | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 09:44 - Jan 17 with 1321 views | pointofblue |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 08:17 - Jan 17 by Churchman |
The division has twenty teams in it. Nineteen of them are better funded than us, have better youth systems, scouting, facilities, experience of playing at this level. The difference in levels is far greater than I thought it would be. That’s reality.
The club is trying like hell to bridge the gap. I don’t think it is bridgeable, but as long as they’re giving it a go and as a football club progressing, that’ll do me. We will be all the better for the experience.
Do I think we’ve got everything right? Of course not. Mistakes? Plenty. From messaging, to recruitment, to managerial decisions down to the players and everything in between probably. And that’s ok as long as you learn and move forward. It’s actually the only way to learn in any aspect life, especially the cutthroat world of professional sport.
Little old Ipswich lucky to be here mentality? I don’t see that. I see an attempt to catch up, to adjust and to improve. Look at the nature of signings (mostly younger players) and you’ll see no roll over surrender.
It’s all about context. Where we were, what we are, what we are trying to do and how we are going about it. Acceptance of failure or inadequacy? I saw that when Lyall’s and tbh a bit in Burleys team in 2002 (from Liverpool at home on) when they were relegated. I don’t see it here. [Post edited 17 Jan 8:34]
|
I've posted a thread on it before seeing your post but I would question the acceptance of failure/inadequacy. More often that not, it's a case of concede and fade - the exceptions being Villa, Man Utd and (at 1-0) West Ham. Arguably Brentford as well, but we went from 2-0 up to 3-2 down in that one. Even at Wolves we were struggling post equaliser and caught them with a sucker punch. We don't start off games showing those signs, but we're struggling to run towards adversity this year. | |
| |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 11:07 - Jan 17 with 1249 views | DJR |
All of the teams above us have better players than us, and once we concede, they all normally have the skill/physicality and know-how to hang on to a lead.
It was stated on Radio Suffolk last night that there have only been three games this season where we have come back from conceding a goal (and that includes Aston Villa, where we came back from 2-1 down). [Post edited 17 Jan 11:09]
|  | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 11:16 - Jan 17 with 1195 views | Churchman |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 09:44 - Jan 17 by pointofblue |
I've posted a thread on it before seeing your post but I would question the acceptance of failure/inadequacy. More often that not, it's a case of concede and fade - the exceptions being Villa, Man Utd and (at 1-0) West Ham. Arguably Brentford as well, but we went from 2-0 up to 3-2 down in that one. Even at Wolves we were struggling post equaliser and caught them with a sucker punch. We don't start off games showing those signs, but we're struggling to run towards adversity this year. |
I think sometimes you have to accept how things are, good and bad, before you can do something about it. In other words, reality. Do that and you can move forwards, improve, progress.
If as a team you are not good enough individually and collectively, accept it and work to improve and upgrade, learn, step by step, plan do review and all that cliche stuff. It actually does work. If we cannot find a forward this window or whoever they are looking at, work to find one next time. Stay with it.
True acceptance of failure / inadequacy is giving up. Not trying. That is totally unacceptable and the one thing I’ll pile into on with the best of them if I see it. I don’t see that with our players.
Brighton are better than us in every single way bar one. Potential. Other than that they’re light years ahead. Better players, set up, facilities, you name it. It took them years and PL millions to achieve that. So given we have more potential than them, strive to overtake them. It’s do-able.
Four seasons ago, Norwich were miles better than us in every way, even the number of fingers on each hand. They’re not now, but their youth set up and training facilities are still better, probably a few other things and certainly the finger count, but we have overhauled them in key ways and will do so with the rest of it in time. Keep striving, never give up.
This is a bit of a romantic view but despite being a glass half empty person and bitterly disappointed by the results in the title of this thread, it’s the only way forward in my view. | | | |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 13:19 - Jan 17 with 1042 views | ITFC_84 |
| Palace, Everton, Bournemouth, Brighton (h). Not good enough. (n/t) on 11:16 - Jan 17 by Churchman |
I think sometimes you have to accept how things are, good and bad, before you can do something about it. In other words, reality. Do that and you can move forwards, improve, progress.
If as a team you are not good enough individually and collectively, accept it and work to improve and upgrade, learn, step by step, plan do review and all that cliche stuff. It actually does work. If we cannot find a forward this window or whoever they are looking at, work to find one next time. Stay with it.
True acceptance of failure / inadequacy is giving up. Not trying. That is totally unacceptable and the one thing I’ll pile into on with the best of them if I see it. I don’t see that with our players.
Brighton are better than us in every single way bar one. Potential. Other than that they’re light years ahead. Better players, set up, facilities, you name it. It took them years and PL millions to achieve that. So given we have more potential than them, strive to overtake them. It’s do-able.
Four seasons ago, Norwich were miles better than us in every way, even the number of fingers on each hand. They’re not now, but their youth set up and training facilities are still better, probably a few other things and certainly the finger count, but we have overhauled them in key ways and will do so with the rest of it in time. Keep striving, never give up.
This is a bit of a romantic view but despite being a glass half empty person and bitterly disappointed by the results in the title of this thread, it’s the only way forward in my view. |
I think that’s it - being bitterly disappointed with the results in these games. Not that I was kidding myself (thinking they’d be walkovers), but that those would be the sort of games we’d look to be competitive in. And quite honestly, we haven’t been.
Of course, we’ve picked up ‘unexpected’ results against Spurs/Chelsea, and no doubt they’ll be another one before the season is up. However, those smaller, less well-established clubs have got to be our bread and butter and we’ve sorely come up short each and every time. | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
