| Palmer 16:50 - Feb 8 with 4615 views | Metal_Hacker |
Definitely makes me feel more comfortable so I can’t imagine how the defenders feel
Solid debut |  |
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| Palmer on 16:54 - Feb 8 with 4137 views | textbackup |
So, he must have been on our radar in the summer right?
Yet we opted for Muric… I just can’t get my head around that at all |  |
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| Palmer on 17:10 - Feb 8 with 3964 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Palmer on 16:54 - Feb 8 by textbackup |
So, he must have been on our radar in the summer right?
Yet we opted for Muric… I just can’t get my head around that at all |
Things are always perceived to be better when they’re more expensive I suppose | |
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| Palmer on 17:12 - Feb 8 with 3914 views | Trequartista |
His style is more Walton than Muric in that he's not that interested in playing out from the back unless a very safe pass available, so remains to be seen if he ends up kicking it upfield straight back it the opposition too many times when faced with Premier League pressing. |  |
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| Palmer on 17:16 - Feb 8 with 3810 views | ReusersTown |
| Palmer on 17:12 - Feb 8 by Trequartista |
His style is more Walton than Muric in that he's not that interested in playing out from the back unless a very safe pass available, so remains to be seen if he ends up kicking it upfield straight back it the opposition too many times when faced with Premier League pressing. |
Exactly this |  | | |
| Palmer on 17:16 - Feb 8 with 3779 views | badadski |
| Palmer on 17:12 - Feb 8 by Trequartista |
His style is more Walton than Muric in that he's not that interested in playing out from the back unless a very safe pass available, so remains to be seen if he ends up kicking it upfield straight back it the opposition too many times when faced with Premier League pressing. |
He made a couple of cracking balls over the top which I thought is what muric was going to be good at, good reaction saves, not as dominant as muric from crosses but that’s muric strength. Looks great signing. Muric problem is how much he cost, massively overpaid which has created the expecting beyond his capabilities it seems. A shame as he looked devastated against Southampton but no room for the complacency. | | | |
| Palmer on 17:18 - Feb 8 with 3730 views | ITFCBlues |
Let's see how he does next week shall we? As we saw today, it's a completely different level. He had little to do and also the press is a completely different level in the PL. That'll be the test, how comfortable will he be when the press is on. |  |
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| Palmer on 17:20 - Feb 8 with 3695 views | textbackup |
| Palmer on 17:18 - Feb 8 by ITFCBlues |
Let's see how he does next week shall we? As we saw today, it's a completely different level. He had little to do and also the press is a completely different level in the PL. That'll be the test, how comfortable will he be when the press is on. |
Wasn’t with the ball at feet that I was looking at, was more Palmer hasn’t got biscuit wrists | |
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| Palmer on 17:31 - Feb 8 with 3517 views | Dubtractor |
| Palmer on 17:20 - Feb 8 by textbackup |
Wasn’t with the ball at feet that I was looking at, was more Palmer hasn’t got biscuit wrists |
Yep. Both Muric and Walton have let in goals you want to see a keeper save in recent weeks, Palmer made a number of solid stops today. All routine stuff, but that's been missing for us. |  |
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| Palmer on 17:42 - Feb 8 with 3351 views | homer_123 |
| Palmer on 17:31 - Feb 8 by Dubtractor |
Yep. Both Muric and Walton have let in goals you want to see a keeper save in recent weeks, Palmer made a number of solid stops today. All routine stuff, but that's been missing for us. |
He's clearly a 7/8 out of 10 keeper.
In that he's unlikely to pull off a worldy but also likely won't have a howler.
Solid keeper, which we need right now. If for nothing else to give a bit of confidence to our back line. |  |
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| Palmer on 17:48 - Feb 8 with 3285 views | homer_123 |
| Palmer on 16:54 - Feb 8 by textbackup |
So, he must have been on our radar in the summer right?
Yet we opted for Muric… I just can’t get my head around that at all |
I think it's actually very simply.
Muric's ceiling is far higher than that of Palmer. He's younger and still developing - he has the ability to be a top class goalkeeper. I think it's easy to forget the good stuff he does, whether that be commanding his box, coming for crosses. He 'can' pick a pass and can pull off outstanding saves.
Palmer is older and is clearly more in the Walton mould than Muric. Palmer is a safe pair of hands and that isn't a bad thing.
So, the answer to your question is 'potential'. Muric has the ability to be an excellent keeper and therefore better for us both on the pitch and potential resale value.
For me, that's the answer to your question.
There's no doubt though that Muric is having a torrid time with us right now, confidence as much as anything and it's cost us. So, right now, comparing Muric to Palmer, Palmer, like Walton, are the better options.
But I can see why we went for Muric, I still think, at 26, he's learning and developing and still has the ability to be a top class keeper. I hope we keep him. | |
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| Palmer on 17:50 - Feb 8 with 3248 views | Trequartista |
| Palmer on 17:12 - Feb 8 by Trequartista |
His style is more Walton than Muric in that he's not that interested in playing out from the back unless a very safe pass available, so remains to be seen if he ends up kicking it upfield straight back it the opposition too many times when faced with Premier League pressing. |
Reading that back, that sounds like a criticism of Palmer, which it wasn't. I thought he was excellent today, but bigger tests lie ahead. | |
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| Palmer on 17:52 - Feb 8 with 3203 views | billlm |
Let you know next saturday |  | | |
| Palmer on 17:55 - Feb 8 with 3150 views | vilanovablue |
| Palmer on 17:48 - Feb 8 by homer_123 |
I think it's actually very simply.
Muric's ceiling is far higher than that of Palmer. He's younger and still developing - he has the ability to be a top class goalkeeper. I think it's easy to forget the good stuff he does, whether that be commanding his box, coming for crosses. He 'can' pick a pass and can pull off outstanding saves.
Palmer is older and is clearly more in the Walton mould than Muric. Palmer is a safe pair of hands and that isn't a bad thing.
So, the answer to your question is 'potential'. Muric has the ability to be an excellent keeper and therefore better for us both on the pitch and potential resale value.
For me, that's the answer to your question.
There's no doubt though that Muric is having a torrid time with us right now, confidence as much as anything and it's cost us. So, right now, comparing Muric to Palmer, Palmer, like Walton, are the better options.
But I can see why we went for Muric, I still think, at 26, he's learning and developing and still has the ability to be a top class keeper. I hope we keep him. |
I agree with this at the age of 26 Muric can get Palmer likely near or at his ceiling. |  | | |
| Palmer on 12:15 - Feb 9 with 2474 views | DJR |
I thought Palmer looked much better with his feet than Muric and Walton.
He also made a great save with the disallowed goal, and saved with at his feet at the near post, which showed the sort of agility that I feel Muric (maybe because of his bulk) has lacked on occasions.
He also made a good catch under pressure from a corner.
All in all a very good start. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:17]
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| Palmer on 12:22 - Feb 9 with 2413 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Palmer on 12:15 - Feb 9 by DJR |
I thought Palmer looked much better with his feet than Muric and Walton.
He also made a great save with the disallowed goal, and saved with at his feet at the near post, which showed the sort of agility that I feel Muric (maybe because of his bulk) has lacked on occasions.
He also made a good catch under pressure from a corner.
All in all a very good start. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:17]
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Not taking anything away from Palmer In regards to his kicking... but is it just me that feels wolfy and Burgess and the time they've spent playing KM ball. They offer themselves to the keepers in better positions than oshea and greaves do. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:31]
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| Palmer on 12:31 - Feb 9 with 2366 views | textbackup |
| Palmer on 17:48 - Feb 8 by homer_123 |
I think it's actually very simply.
Muric's ceiling is far higher than that of Palmer. He's younger and still developing - he has the ability to be a top class goalkeeper. I think it's easy to forget the good stuff he does, whether that be commanding his box, coming for crosses. He 'can' pick a pass and can pull off outstanding saves.
Palmer is older and is clearly more in the Walton mould than Muric. Palmer is a safe pair of hands and that isn't a bad thing.
So, the answer to your question is 'potential'. Muric has the ability to be an excellent keeper and therefore better for us both on the pitch and potential resale value.
For me, that's the answer to your question.
There's no doubt though that Muric is having a torrid time with us right now, confidence as much as anything and it's cost us. So, right now, comparing Muric to Palmer, Palmer, like Walton, are the better options.
But I can see why we went for Muric, I still think, at 26, he's learning and developing and still has the ability to be a top class keeper. I hope we keep him. |
So he’s 2 years younger, and cost us so many points.
We’ve gambled on potential.
I take on what you’ve said and you make some very good points.
Just think, looking back, our summer transfer window was poor, and potential was the main thinking behind many signings | |
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| Palmer on 12:40 - Feb 9 with 2318 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Palmer on 12:31 - Feb 9 by textbackup |
So he’s 2 years younger, and cost us so many points.
We’ve gambled on potential.
I take on what you’ve said and you make some very good points.
Just think, looking back, our summer transfer window was poor, and potential was the main thinking behind many signings |
Thing is muric turned out worse than hoped. Delap turned out probably better than hoped for the first season.
Look back to muric last couple seasons.
First team burnley promoted no.1 keeper. One of best in league.
Last season, played 10 prem games. Majority of fans thought he may have helped them stay up if he played more.
His stats were unreal and suited KM football... number of 1 on 1 saves which was key considering we concede a last amount of this situations.
One of the best keepers at claiming balls.. again key considering we seem to allow alot of crosses into the box plus corners are won against us alot in the prem too. So another key stat.
KM has mentioned murics injury a few times this season. No idea how much this has effect him but his stats at least did support his signing. | |
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| Palmer on 12:44 - Feb 9 with 2291 views | BarcaBlue |
| Palmer on 12:22 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Not taking anything away from Palmer In regards to his kicking... but is it just me that feels wolfy and Burgess and the time they've spent playing KM ball. They offer themselves to the keepers in better positions than oshea and greaves do. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:31]
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You're overthinking it. They were playing against a Championship press, something they experienced all last season. Oshea and Greaves have been facing a much higher quality this season. Not comparable at all. |  | | |
| Palmer on 12:45 - Feb 9 with 2282 views | jayessess |
Think the realistic hope is that Palmer is a better shot stopper than Walton and a more composed character than Muric.
Not expecting miracles from him but if he keeps two thirds of opposition shots out of our goal and doesn't have a rick every other game in him, I'll be happy. |  |
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| Palmer on 12:51 - Feb 9 with 2213 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Palmer on 12:44 - Feb 9 by BarcaBlue |
You're overthinking it. They were playing against a Championship press, something they experienced all last season. Oshea and Greaves have been facing a much higher quality this season. Not comparable at all. |
Both sets of defenders have faced prem players this season and I do still think wolft and Burgess get their roles better when keeper has the ball than their counterparts. I will watch closer this week but for me Burgess drops and makes better angles than greaves and wolfy similar once the ball is played to the double pivot. | |
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| Palmer on 13:47 - Feb 9 with 2041 views | DJR |
| Palmer on 12:22 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Not taking anything away from Palmer In regards to his kicking... but is it just me that feels wolfy and Burgess and the time they've spent playing KM ball. They offer themselves to the keepers in better positions than oshea and greaves do. [Post edited 9 Feb 12:31]
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That's certainly true too. | | | |
| Palmer on 13:52 - Feb 9 with 2020 views | DJR |
| Palmer on 12:51 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Both sets of defenders have faced prem players this season and I do still think wolft and Burgess get their roles better when keeper has the ball than their counterparts. I will watch closer this week but for me Burgess drops and makes better angles than greaves and wolfy similar once the ball is played to the double pivot. |
Woolfenden is clearly our best player with the ball and demands it. He is also good at advancing with the ball (which opens up space), something that I think O'Shea and Greaves are not so good at.
And Burgess has developed into a very good passer of the ball, and in my view is better than Greaves. | | | |
| Palmer on 13:53 - Feb 9 with 2000 views | jayessess |
| Palmer on 13:52 - Feb 9 by DJR |
Woolfenden is clearly our best player with the ball and demands it. He is also good at advancing with the ball (which opens up space), something that I think O'Shea and Greaves are not so good at.
And Burgess has developed into a very good passer of the ball, and in my view is better than Greaves. |
Think this is one reason why Tuanzebe's return doesn't seem to have particularly improved us. | |
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| Palmer on 14:00 - Feb 9 with 1951 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Palmer on 17:48 - Feb 8 by homer_123 |
I think it's actually very simply.
Muric's ceiling is far higher than that of Palmer. He's younger and still developing - he has the ability to be a top class goalkeeper. I think it's easy to forget the good stuff he does, whether that be commanding his box, coming for crosses. He 'can' pick a pass and can pull off outstanding saves.
Palmer is older and is clearly more in the Walton mould than Muric. Palmer is a safe pair of hands and that isn't a bad thing.
So, the answer to your question is 'potential'. Muric has the ability to be an excellent keeper and therefore better for us both on the pitch and potential resale value.
For me, that's the answer to your question.
There's no doubt though that Muric is having a torrid time with us right now, confidence as much as anything and it's cost us. So, right now, comparing Muric to Palmer, Palmer, like Walton, are the better options.
But I can see why we went for Muric, I still think, at 26, he's learning and developing and still has the ability to be a top class keeper. I hope we keep him. |
Not to defend Muric, but he’s a had a rough time the past year or so. Was the best keeper in the Championship as Burnley blew everyone away a couple years, goes in to the season thinking he’ll be number 1 …. Only to see Kompany sign a £20m keeper ahead of him. Spends the best part of 6-7 months on the bench whilst watching James Trafford make a meal of it, only to get bought back in for the final 10 games or so, and judging by Burnley fans he was one of their better players towards the end of the season (albeit a howler against Brighton).
Seems like he’s a confidence keeper …. As he’s come here and made a mess of it when he has been given the chance.
Can see why we went for him, but I’ve said all along this past week, I can’t quite believe we didn’t go for Palmer last summer. He was my pick of the keepers I’d have gone for. Thought he was brilliant for West Brom last season - especially in both games against us. Was a bit surprised at a few people’s reactions to it last week as well. |  |
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| Palmer on 15:22 - Feb 9 with 1772 views | cressi |
Muuric is 26 not 19 and I'm afraid will never learn has been a expense disaster. I cannot comment on Palmer as no seen enough of him.
Think McKenna had enough after the Southampton game more patient than a lot would have been. | | | |
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