| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? 16:20 - Feb 10 with 9151 views | TresBonne |
Interested in a debate over this purely because I have just met the former CEO of a gambling company at a talk he did, and I was a little shocked at how blaise he was about problem gambling and the issues surrounding his line of work.
His main argument really, and he couldn't let on too much over this because it was an 'ethics' talk (which I thought quite ironic in itself!), was that it is more the fault of the punter in the majority of cases and they should be taking more accountability for getting themselves there in the first place.
I just wonder what other people's opinions are on this? To be honest, I left the talk feeling a little sick over it. I didn't like the arrogance, smugness that he had. [Post edited 10 Feb 16:21]
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 17:51 - Feb 11 with 1192 views | Ryorry |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 19:31 - Feb 10 by tcblue |
Much like booze and cigarettes, I wonder how it would be regulated differently if it was 'new'.
It's an industry which deals in misery. Not just for humans, horse racing would die without betting, hardly anybody really goes to watch the actual sport |
".... hardly anybody really goes to watch the actual sport".
That's a myth. I was in several racing syndicates (ie hundreds of people). At least 90% joined & continued as members either because they loved the racing itself and/or for the social aspect, yard visits etc. Listen to TV interviews with owners/syndicate members.
I'd say only <=10% were in it for the betting. Some like me didn't even bet on their own horses, because the prize money was sufficient financial reward if your horse finished in the frme. |  |
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 17:55 - Feb 11 with 1184 views | Ryorry |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 15:39 - Feb 11 by hype313 |
The sooner it goes the way of Cigarettes the better.
Ban all advertising and whack a 80% tax on all bets. |
That''d just worsen the problem by driving it underground where it'd be run unregulated by worse criminals. | |
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 15:47 - Feb 17 with 993 views | Herbivore |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 17:55 - Feb 11 by Ryorry |
That''d just worsen the problem by driving it underground where it'd be run unregulated by worse criminals. |
A bit like with heroin you mean?  |  |
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 15:49 - Feb 17 with 991 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 15:47 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
A bit like with heroin you mean? |
Nobody likes a stirrur herby boy |  |
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 17:07 - Feb 17 with 905 views | vilanovablue |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 22:14 - Feb 10 by Mullet |
Doubling down is not the same as not completely changing my mind because you say so. The fact you both try and downplay and defend the social harm gambling does, whilst saying it needs regulating. That shows exactly what I’m talking about.
It’s an industry that exploits vulnerable people normalises addictive behaviours. The cultural change of gambling now it’s on our phones and everywhere is a massive social ill.
Go to a game now and watch how many young lads are checking odds and scores all game because it’s so prevalent and always to access. When you had to go to a kiosk before or after a game, or physically place bets in a shop, match day gambling was a different beast.
The invasive nature of it and fact it props up so much to do with football now is sickening to me. If you’re fine with it, that’s fair enough but if you assume that everyone else should be too you’re going to carry on being upset. This thread highlights exactly how corrupt the industry is without really going too deep after all. |
100% agree with this gambling has become insidious. Personally I think that advertising gambling should be banned just as smoking ads were banned.
Also being in my 50s I have witnessed the growth of gambling in all it's forms and know far too many people who bet fairly regularly.
If I'm in a pub watching a game there are countless groups of lads and you overhear their conversations about bets placed and that never used to be the case. [Post edited 17 Feb 17:12]
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 17:13 - Feb 17 with 882 views | J2BLUE |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 17:07 - Feb 17 by vilanovablue |
100% agree with this gambling has become insidious. Personally I think that advertising gambling should be banned just as smoking ads were banned.
Also being in my 50s I have witnessed the growth of gambling in all it's forms and know far too many people who bet fairly regularly.
If I'm in a pub watching a game there are countless groups of lads and you overhear their conversations about bets placed and that never used to be the case. [Post edited 17 Feb 17:12]
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Agree on advertising.
People can have a harmless bet though. |  |
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 04:42 - Feb 18 with 739 views | Benters |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 17:07 - Feb 17 by vilanovablue |
100% agree with this gambling has become insidious. Personally I think that advertising gambling should be banned just as smoking ads were banned.
Also being in my 50s I have witnessed the growth of gambling in all it's forms and know far too many people who bet fairly regularly.
If I'm in a pub watching a game there are countless groups of lads and you overhear their conversations about bets placed and that never used to be the case. [Post edited 17 Feb 17:12]
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I have never been a gambler,I’m far to tight and I respect my money to much.
I worked with a gambling addict about 30 years ago,he was only a young lad,he got in so much mess with money that as soon as he’d got his wages on a Friday night it was gone paying off different people he’d borrowed money off,some weeks he’d ask for a sub mid week,just to keep himself going poor lad.
I guess it’s their choice innit,when the fun stops stop and all that. |  |
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 05:31 - Feb 18 with 697 views | tcblue |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 17:51 - Feb 11 by Ryorry |
".... hardly anybody really goes to watch the actual sport".
That's a myth. I was in several racing syndicates (ie hundreds of people). At least 90% joined & continued as members either because they loved the racing itself and/or for the social aspect, yard visits etc. Listen to TV interviews with owners/syndicate members.
I'd say only <=10% were in it for the betting. Some like me didn't even bet on their own horses, because the prize money was sufficient financial reward if your horse finished in the frme. |
Doesn't the majority of the purse come from betting though?
It would decimate horse racing if betting were banned. |  | | |
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 10:44 - Feb 18 with 586 views | Ryorry |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 05:31 - Feb 18 by tcblue |
Doesn't the majority of the purse come from betting though?
It would decimate horse racing if betting were banned. |
Both those remarks are beside the point.
I was simply responding to your earlier comment that "hardly anybody really goes to watch the actual sport", which is manifestly untrue. | |
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| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 13:20 - Feb 18 with 485 views | ITFCson |
As someone who bets for a living I can confirm they are all completely corrupt. Any sniff you have a clue and you’re restricted to pennies.
That said, problem gamblers do need to take accountability themselves. | | | |
| Gambling harms - punter vs bookmaker, who's at fault? on 13:35 - Feb 18 with 461 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Better regulation is needed, reduced marketing for one thing.
But banning betting is just daft - it can’t be done given the multitude of offshore sources, and prohibition just benefits criminal gangs. Perhaps a small tax on each bet (paid by the bookies) which goes directly to helping those with addiction (apologies if that’s already the case) | | | |
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