| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 14:17 - Feb 20 with 1115 views | homer_123 |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:59 - Feb 20 by blueasfook |
*rolls around on pitch as though injured himself* |
[gets up smirking and sheepishly walks away with a warning] |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 14:18 - Feb 20 with 1099 views | FrimleyBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 14:12 - Feb 20 by BiGDonnie |
Was it even offensive? Anyone that's played team sports will celebrate in similar fashion.
Games gone. |
Didnt see the same fullout when pepe grabbed haaland and gave him a smacker |  |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 14:25 - Feb 20 with 1089 views | ibbleobble |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:45 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No worries, apologies if I misread this as you advocating prison;
"I’d have thought there is an argument for prison given the fact it’s a sexual offence."
We seem to be on the same page then. 😊 [Post edited 20 Feb 13:46]
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The argument for prison is bewildering as is setting a precedent in the same breath. Imagine the already over crowded prison system if prison were to become precedent. Madness.
Not sure what those on the General forum who moan about money and politics would make of having less money in their pocket to cover an inevitable rise in taxes to support overflowing prison systems. |  | | |
| £10k fine for this on 14:34 - Feb 20 with 1049 views | BiGDonnie |
| £10k fine for this on 14:18 - Feb 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Didnt see the same fullout when pepe grabbed haaland and gave him a smacker |
Happens all the time. £10k fine for kissing a team mate / player you manage after winning the sports biggest trophy is insane. |  |
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 14:34 - Feb 20 with 1056 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 13:48 - Feb 20 by blueasfook |
Forced to watch women's football for 10 years |
It was nice knowing you, brother. |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 14:44 - Feb 20 with 1032 views | BarcaBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 14:34 - Feb 20 by BiGDonnie |
Happens all the time. £10k fine for kissing a team mate / player you manage after winning the sports biggest trophy is insane. |
Rubiales wasn't a teammate or the manager. It wasn't in the heat of the moment. It wasn't consensual. He did lie, he did then put women at the front of his conference to coerce support, he did get others in the Spanish FA to coerce Hermosa and other female players. He's got away very lightly for sexual aggression, lies and coercion. |  | | |
| £10k fine for this on 14:47 - Feb 20 with 1025 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 14:44 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
Rubiales wasn't a teammate or the manager. It wasn't in the heat of the moment. It wasn't consensual. He did lie, he did then put women at the front of his conference to coerce support, he did get others in the Spanish FA to coerce Hermosa and other female players. He's got away very lightly for sexual aggression, lies and coercion. |
Off all of those points, you could def argue it was heat of the moment.
He was acquitted of coercion. As were his colleagues.
He did wrong, he's been punished. [Post edited 20 Feb 14:48]
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| £10k fine for this on 14:49 - Feb 20 with 1012 views | mellowblue |
| £10k fine for this on 14:12 - Feb 20 by BlueDouglas |
"If it was completely spontaneous how did she give consent?" Honest answer - if it's genuinely reciprocal. Didn't seem to be in this case |
Earlier in the case his counsel tried to show consent via speech interpretation of what was said. Was not enough to swing the case, but might have impacted the sentencing ? | | | |
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| £10k fine for this on 14:51 - Feb 20 with 1002 views | BarcaBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 14:47 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Off all of those points, you could def argue it was heat of the moment.
He was acquitted of coercion. As were his colleagues.
He did wrong, he's been punished. [Post edited 20 Feb 14:48]
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In the heat of the moment, on the final whistle, he grabbed his crotch to celebrate whilst standing next to the queen of Spain. Probably not punishable but not a great look. The medal ceremony was some 40 minutes later. | | | |
| £10k fine for this on 14:53 - Feb 20 with 980 views | FrimleyBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 14:51 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
In the heat of the moment, on the final whistle, he grabbed his crotch to celebrate whilst standing next to the queen of Spain. Probably not punishable but not a great look. The medal ceremony was some 40 minutes later. |
Medal ceremony may have been 40 minutes later, but that's still a moment in itself, you're celebrating with every player.
The crotch thing agree not a good look, but that's not what he's been charged for. [Post edited 20 Feb 14:55]
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| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 14:58 - Feb 20 with 986 views | blueasfook |
| Surely the verdict itself is enough….? on 14:17 - Feb 20 by homer_123 |
[gets up smirking and sheepishly walks away with a warning] |
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| £10k fine for this on 14:59 - Feb 20 with 963 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 14:51 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
In the heat of the moment, on the final whistle, he grabbed his crotch to celebrate whilst standing next to the queen of Spain. Probably not punishable but not a great look. The medal ceremony was some 40 minutes later. |
Agreed, grabbing his crotch (if that's what he did), isn't a great look. But that's a separate matter.
The trophy ceremony is very much celebratory and heat of the moment, celebratory moments are not limited to the final whistle.
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| £10k fine for this on 14:59 - Feb 20 with 960 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 14:53 - Feb 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Medal ceremony may have been 40 minutes later, but that's still a moment in itself, you're celebrating with every player.
The crotch thing agree not a good look, but that's not what he's been charged for. [Post edited 20 Feb 14:55]
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| £10k fine for this on 14:59 - Feb 20 with 962 views | BarcaBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 14:53 - Feb 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Medal ceremony may have been 40 minutes later, but that's still a moment in itself, you're celebrating with every player.
The crotch thing agree not a good look, but that's not what he's been charged for. [Post edited 20 Feb 14:55]
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I missed the bit where he kissed every player, every member of staff and the refereeing team. | | | |
| £10k fine for this on 15:01 - Feb 20 with 958 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 14:59 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
I missed the bit where he kissed every player, every member of staff and the refereeing team. |
Just because he kissed one person, doesn't mean its not heat of the moment. [Post edited 20 Feb 15:01]
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| £10k fine for this on 15:03 - Feb 20 with 948 views | FrimleyBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 14:59 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
I missed the bit where he kissed every player, every member of staff and the refereeing team. |
He didnt, however he had a much more virbant celebration with the captain of the team which clearly lead to him over celebrating with her compared to the others.
IF there was any previous talk of him stalking her etc then i'd say it was targeted in a negative way, but it's clearly the president over celebrating with the captain of his nation, silly thing to do yes, but shouldn't have turned into the witch hunt after, which lead to him panicking and making up lies to cover himself. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 15:07 - Feb 20 with 946 views | Cafe_Newman |
Would you consider it a lenient punishment if Hermoso had kissed Rubiales without consent and he had taken her to court? |  | | |
| £10k fine for this on 15:12 - Feb 20 with 935 views | homer_123 |
Mark Strong to play Rubiales in the movie....
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| £10k fine for this on 15:16 - Feb 20 with 910 views | Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 15:07 - Feb 20 by Cafe_Newman |
Would you consider it a lenient punishment if Hermoso had kissed Rubiales without consent and he had taken her to court? |
I dunno. It’s hard to imagine that happening or her then making the same arguments/ behaviours he did from the off.
Would you consider that a rather pathetic bad faith hypothetical? It’s not like the power dynamic or context is even the same there anyway. |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 15:17 - Feb 20 with 906 views | BarcaBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 15:03 - Feb 20 by FrimleyBlue |
He didnt, however he had a much more virbant celebration with the captain of the team which clearly lead to him over celebrating with her compared to the others.
IF there was any previous talk of him stalking her etc then i'd say it was targeted in a negative way, but it's clearly the president over celebrating with the captain of his nation, silly thing to do yes, but shouldn't have turned into the witch hunt after, which lead to him panicking and making up lies to cover himself. |
Hermoso wasn't the captain (not that it matters too much) . There wasn't a witch hunt as many millions of people were witness live to unacceptable sexual aggression. | | | |
| £10k fine for this on 15:19 - Feb 20 with 899 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 15:16 - Feb 20 by Mullet |
I dunno. It’s hard to imagine that happening or her then making the same arguments/ behaviours he did from the off.
Would you consider that a rather pathetic bad faith hypothetical? It’s not like the power dynamic or context is even the same there anyway. |
I get the power dynamic arguments, although I genuinely don't believe that was at play here. I think it was just a spontaneous (very ill judged), joyous, world cup winning celebration.
The guilty verdict is what Hermoso and her supporters wanted, and that's been achieved. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 15:22 - Feb 20 with 887 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 15:17 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
Hermoso wasn't the captain (not that it matters too much) . There wasn't a witch hunt as many millions of people were witness live to unacceptable sexual aggression. |
Many of those millions don't believe it was sexual aggression, rather a (very ill judged) display of celebration by one party. It was inappropriate, but I wouldn't see it as aggressive.
At least it has now drawn a line for anyone who was in doubt.
It would be a dull forum if we all agreed though. 😊 | |
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| £10k fine for this on 15:24 - Feb 20 with 881 views | BiGDonnie |
| £10k fine for this on 15:17 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
Hermoso wasn't the captain (not that it matters too much) . There wasn't a witch hunt as many millions of people were witness live to unacceptable sexual aggression. |
'Unacceptable sexual aggression'.
What an utter shambles. I feel sorry for the guy. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 15:56 - Feb 20 with 820 views | Ryorry |
| £10k fine for this on 15:24 - Feb 20 by BiGDonnie |
'Unacceptable sexual aggression'.
What an utter shambles. I feel sorry for the guy. |
There speaks a man who understands nothing about what women have gone through over centuries - a good example of why she was right to speak out & take her legitimate grievance through the judicial system. |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 15:57 - Feb 20 with 806 views | FrimleyBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 15:17 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
Hermoso wasn't the captain (not that it matters too much) . There wasn't a witch hunt as many millions of people were witness live to unacceptable sexual aggression. |
Oo apologies thought she was skipper.
Personally I don't think many millions cared. It was only the media once again that turned it into more. | |
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