| £10k fine for this on 16:06 - Feb 20 with 878 views | BarcaBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 15:57 - Feb 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Oo apologies thought she was skipper.
Personally I don't think many millions cared. It was only the media once again that turned it into more. |
The millions were witness to unacceptable sexual agression whether you or others watching care or not, or others on this thread think sexual aggression is just plain funny. The judge agreed, it wasn't the media. The point of the OP is the leniency not the culpability. |  | |  |
| £10k fine for this on 16:13 - Feb 20 with 851 views | Ryorry |
| £10k fine for this on 16:06 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
The millions were witness to unacceptable sexual agression whether you or others watching care or not, or others on this thread think sexual aggression is just plain funny. The judge agreed, it wasn't the media. The point of the OP is the leniency not the culpability. |
Many on this thread, whether posting or just voting, have shown their true selves. |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:14 - Feb 20 with 847 views | Swansea_Blue |
| £10k fine for this on 15:56 - Feb 20 by Ryorry |
There speaks a man who understands nothing about what women have gone through over centuries - a good example of why she was right to speak out & take her legitimate grievance through the judicial system. |
This is probably the main point. Viewed from a male perspective, it wasn’t a massive issue. Most blokes wouldn’t be particularly bothered if the roles were reversed. I expect some would have been delighted!
Against the backdrop of women being abused, sexualised, stalked and whatnot by weird, pushy or aggressive blokes, it’s a whole different thing.
Emma Raducanu’s had a weirdo stalker this week too. It’s sick. |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:15 - Feb 20 with 842 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:13 - Feb 20 by Ryorry |
Many on this thread, whether posting or just voting, have shown their true selves. |
Its OK to disagree.
In fairness, most on the thread have said it was inappropriate and ill judged, and have agreed with the outcome.
Given the nature of the heat of the moment world cup winning celebrations I firmly disagree with the term 'sexual aggression' and the suggestion that a prison sentence could be deserved. The forum would be dull if we all agreed. 😊 [Post edited 20 Feb 16:16]
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| £10k fine for this on 16:17 - Feb 20 with 832 views | Cafe_Newman |
| £10k fine for this on 16:13 - Feb 20 by Ryorry |
Many on this thread, whether posting or just voting, have shown their true selves. |
I posted a question with no opinion. You down-voted it without explanation. Would you mind telling me why?
I don't care one jot about that per se, but it's a bit odd that you then say people are showing their true selves based on their comments. What true self have I shown in my question? [Post edited 20 Feb 18:22]
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| £10k fine for this on 16:18 - Feb 20 with 832 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:14 - Feb 20 by Swansea_Blue |
This is probably the main point. Viewed from a male perspective, it wasn’t a massive issue. Most blokes wouldn’t be particularly bothered if the roles were reversed. I expect some would have been delighted!
Against the backdrop of women being abused, sexualised, stalked and whatnot by weird, pushy or aggressive blokes, it’s a whole different thing.
Emma Raducanu’s had a weirdo stalker this week too. It’s sick. |
I think everyone agrees that stalking and sexual abuse is wrong.
I guess this kind of case brings out some of the nuances. And the majority of the thread have said he was wrong to do what he did. [Post edited 20 Feb 16:19]
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| £10k fine for this on 16:20 - Feb 20 with 826 views | Ryorry |
| £10k fine for this on 16:15 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its OK to disagree.
In fairness, most on the thread have said it was inappropriate and ill judged, and have agreed with the outcome.
Given the nature of the heat of the moment world cup winning celebrations I firmly disagree with the term 'sexual aggression' and the suggestion that a prison sentence could be deserved. The forum would be dull if we all agreed. 😊 [Post edited 20 Feb 16:16]
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"Given the nature of the heat of the moment world cup winning celebrations I firmly disagree with the term 'sexual aggression' ".
She herself has said it made her feel sick; and took away all her joy & euphoria at winning the WC - clearly moments at the pinnacle of any player's career that should become happy memories in later life,
You've made no attempt to understand or put yourself in the shoes of a female in that situation. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:23 - Feb 20 with 821 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:20 - Feb 20 by Ryorry |
"Given the nature of the heat of the moment world cup winning celebrations I firmly disagree with the term 'sexual aggression' ".
She herself has said it made her feel sick; and took away all her joy & euphoria at winning the WC - clearly moments at the pinnacle of any player's career that should become happy memories in later life,
You've made no attempt to understand or put yourself in the shoes of a female in that situation. |
"You've made no attempt to understand or put yourself in the shoes of a female in that situation."
Incorrect, you cant know that. She did seem to state all that after pressure from others.
I just disagree with you, and that's OK. [Post edited 20 Feb 16:23]
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| £10k fine for this on 16:24 - Feb 20 with 805 views | Ryorry |
| £10k fine for this on 16:17 - Feb 20 by Cafe_Newman |
I posted a question with no opinion. You down-voted it without explanation. Would you mind telling me why?
I don't care one jot about that per se, but it's a bit odd that you then say people are showing their true selves based on their comments. What true self have I shown in my question? [Post edited 20 Feb 18:22]
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Swanners put it very well, please read his reply. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:28 - Feb 20 with 790 views | Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:15 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its OK to disagree.
In fairness, most on the thread have said it was inappropriate and ill judged, and have agreed with the outcome.
Given the nature of the heat of the moment world cup winning celebrations I firmly disagree with the term 'sexual aggression' and the suggestion that a prison sentence could be deserved. The forum would be dull if we all agreed. 😊 [Post edited 20 Feb 16:16]
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Except the only people going on about prison clearly didn’t read my post or the article properly, if in full at all.
If anything it was knee jerk sexism on display from at least three of you, who then tried to characterise it as something else to take the focus off the fact you didn’t read everything without reacting and showing yourselves up.
Trying to play off that sort of thing as “it’s ok to disagree” over and over doesn’t diminish the fact that a lot of people dismissing the incident don’t really care what the victim thinks or feels. |  |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:31 - Feb 20 with 781 views | Ryorry |
| £10k fine for this on 16:23 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
"You've made no attempt to understand or put yourself in the shoes of a female in that situation."
Incorrect, you cant know that. She did seem to state all that after pressure from others.
I just disagree with you, and that's OK. [Post edited 20 Feb 16:23]
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"She did seem to state all that after pressure from others."
Incorrect, she said it at the time. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:31 - Feb 20 with 781 views | DJR |
| £10k fine for this on 15:12 - Feb 20 by homer_123 |
Mark Strong to play Rubiales in the movie....
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Or Stanley Tucci. |  | | |
| £10k fine for this on 16:33 - Feb 20 with 763 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:31 - Feb 20 by Ryorry |
"She did seem to state all that after pressure from others."
Incorrect, she said it at the time. |
From memory there was certainly a good number of hours before she made those statements. Enough time to be influenced.
But happy to be corrected if you have the timeline. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:33 - Feb 20 with 765 views | Cafe_Newman |
| £10k fine for this on 16:24 - Feb 20 by Ryorry |
Swanners put it very well, please read his reply. |
Swansea's comment "Against the backdrop of women being abused, sexualised, stalked and whatnot by weird, pushy or aggressive blokes, it’s a whole different thing" suggests to me that Rubiales is paying a price for what other men have done to women before this event. I think that's awful.
Do you think that's fair or should I ask Swansea for your answer? | | | |
| £10k fine for this on 16:33 - Feb 20 with 760 views | BarcaBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 16:20 - Feb 20 by Ryorry |
"Given the nature of the heat of the moment world cup winning celebrations I firmly disagree with the term 'sexual aggression' ".
She herself has said it made her feel sick; and took away all her joy & euphoria at winning the WC - clearly moments at the pinnacle of any player's career that should become happy memories in later life,
You've made no attempt to understand or put yourself in the shoes of a female in that situation. |
She's also Spanish women's top international goal scorer yet hasn't been selected for the national team since that match. I guess it also influenced her decision to move away from Spain to play in Mexico. The sexual aggression not only took away the joy of the moment but potentially her domestic and international career. | | | |
| £10k fine for this on 16:38 - Feb 20 with 730 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:33 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
She's also Spanish women's top international goal scorer yet hasn't been selected for the national team since that match. I guess it also influenced her decision to move away from Spain to play in Mexico. The sexual aggression not only took away the joy of the moment but potentially her domestic and international career. |
That is of course speculation.
At 34 it is conceivable that she wouldn't be selected for the next qualifying round of tournaments.
The coach of Spains women's team for the past 18 months is female, and she is responsible for team selection. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:38 - Feb 20 with 731 views | NedPlimpton |
| £10k fine for this on 16:33 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
From memory there was certainly a good number of hours before she made those statements. Enough time to be influenced.
But happy to be corrected if you have the timeline. |
Do you have any evidence that she was influenced? |  | | |
| £10k fine for this on 16:41 - Feb 20 with 709 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:38 - Feb 20 by NedPlimpton |
Do you have any evidence that she was influenced? |
Speculation on my part. But I certainly think it may be the case. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:42 - Feb 20 with 711 views | BarcaBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 16:38 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
That is of course speculation.
At 34 it is conceivable that she wouldn't be selected for the next qualifying round of tournaments.
The coach of Spains women's team for the past 18 months is female, and she is responsible for team selection. |
That is of course speculation. It's ok to disagree. | | | |
| £10k fine for this on 16:44 - Feb 20 with 702 views | BarcaBlue |
| £10k fine for this on 16:14 - Feb 20 by Swansea_Blue |
This is probably the main point. Viewed from a male perspective, it wasn’t a massive issue. Most blokes wouldn’t be particularly bothered if the roles were reversed. I expect some would have been delighted!
Against the backdrop of women being abused, sexualised, stalked and whatnot by weird, pushy or aggressive blokes, it’s a whole different thing.
Emma Raducanu’s had a weirdo stalker this week too. It’s sick. |
Also against a backdrop of sexism and bigotry in the Spanish national team.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputes_involving_the_Spain_women%27s_national_ | | | |
| £10k fine for this on 16:44 - Feb 20 with 699 views | Ryorry |
| £10k fine for this on 16:33 - Feb 20 by Cafe_Newman |
Swansea's comment "Against the backdrop of women being abused, sexualised, stalked and whatnot by weird, pushy or aggressive blokes, it’s a whole different thing" suggests to me that Rubiales is paying a price for what other men have done to women before this event. I think that's awful.
Do you think that's fair or should I ask Swansea for your answer? |
Downvoted for the stupid personal comment.
"suggests to me that Rubiales is paying a price for what other men have done to women before this event."
No I don't think tht's fair - thankfully the 21st century is grdually becoming more enlightened, & what Rubiales did was manifestly recognised by the vast majority as unacceptable & wrong, so he's quite rightly been punished for that, despite a few men still choosing to not listen to how women feel. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:45 - Feb 20 with 696 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:28 - Feb 20 by Mullet |
Except the only people going on about prison clearly didn’t read my post or the article properly, if in full at all.
If anything it was knee jerk sexism on display from at least three of you, who then tried to characterise it as something else to take the focus off the fact you didn’t read everything without reacting and showing yourselves up.
Trying to play off that sort of thing as “it’s ok to disagree” over and over doesn’t diminish the fact that a lot of people dismissing the incident don’t really care what the victim thinks or feels. |
Your post was very clear. But apologies if I misinterpreted: "I’d have thought there is an argument for prison given the fact it’s a sexual offence."
Like I said, I am happy to agree to differ.
I think what he did was inappropriate, and hes been punished.
I dont think it was sexual aggression.
Its OK if you feel the need to discuss this ad infinitum to make yourself feel good.
We are largely in agreement, so its all good. 😊😊 | |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:46 - Feb 20 with 696 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:42 - Feb 20 by BarcaBlue |
That is of course speculation. It's ok to disagree. |
Amen to that!!
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| £10k fine for this on 16:49 - Feb 20 with 684 views | Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:45 - Feb 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Your post was very clear. But apologies if I misinterpreted: "I’d have thought there is an argument for prison given the fact it’s a sexual offence."
Like I said, I am happy to agree to differ.
I think what he did was inappropriate, and hes been punished.
I dont think it was sexual aggression.
Its OK if you feel the need to discuss this ad infinitum to make yourself feel good.
We are largely in agreement, so its all good. 😊😊 |
Except that’s not the whole post is it? Had you read the article it was quite clear I was referring to it too.
You were the one responding incorrectly after all. | |
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| £10k fine for this on 16:51 - Feb 20 with 663 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £10k fine for this on 16:49 - Feb 20 by Mullet |
Except that’s not the whole post is it? Had you read the article it was quite clear I was referring to it too.
You were the one responding incorrectly after all. |
"I’d have thought there is an argument for prison given the fact it’s a sexual offence, but as I said £10k seems light. Especially to a man as high up as him.
Would have expected a much heavier fine and some sort of community order equivalent."
Nothing in your post contradicts the line that I quoted.
Its OK, we are largely in agreement. 😊 | |
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