| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? 08:48 - Feb 23 with 7639 views | textbackup |
Doing what we are isn’t working, at all, is it.
Trusts Wolfie to come on at Villa, but not enough to start vs spurs.
If Oshea is playing RB yesterday he doesn’t get beaten like ‘Ben Godfrey is a blue’ does time and time again.
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:30 - Feb 23 with 1428 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 13:17 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
I've explained why in other threads.
But we've spent two seasons where we didn't rely on our striker to score our goals. They helped to bring others into the goal scoring table aswell as contributing to it themselves.
For all the goals he's scored. Delap is a battering ram.
We concede alot of freekicks from his battles. He rarely picks out a simple pass to spread play or help keep the ball and hes a selfish striker ( think back to philogene v southampton)
That is not in anyway belittling what he is. He is a developing young striker who will become one of the worlds best. However at the moment it isn't imo helping our cause of trying to stay up.
With all the changes we have seen around the playing squad this season, I find it amazing that we haven't given hirst a run in the side. |
How can Delap not be helping our cause to stay up? He’s scored 43% of our goals ffs.
I like you Frimmers but that’s just waffle imo |  |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:32 - Feb 23 with 1414 views | sjg |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:29 - Feb 23 by FoghornGleghorn |
Sounds like you're quite ripe for a pop at too, if you think half an hour at Brentford was anything like as good as the whole performance against Chelsea, when Delap beat them senseless the whole game, scored one goal and made the other. Pity the game isn't half an hour long really isn't it? Also who was it who got us back into the Brentford game just before Muric Muric'd? |
I’m not saying Delap is better than Hirst, I’m saying Hirst gives us something different. And yes, we did attack better in that half an hour vs Brentford than we did in the Chelsea game |  | | |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:35 - Feb 23 with 1393 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:32 - Feb 23 by sjg |
I’m not saying Delap is better than Hirst, I’m saying Hirst gives us something different. And yes, we did attack better in that half an hour vs Brentford than we did in the Chelsea game |
Personally think we played well going forward at Brentford but that was more because we had Chaplin playing that anything else.
He provides a link between our very uncreative midfield and our attackers. We don’t have that when he doesn’t play. He gave us the same link against Wolves. Our best chance of goals involves both Chaplin and Delap on the pitch.
Any suggestion of dropping Delap is crazy imo | |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:35 - Feb 23 with 1387 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:32 - Feb 23 by sjg |
I’m not saying Delap is better than Hirst, I’m saying Hirst gives us something different. And yes, we did attack better in that half an hour vs Brentford than we did in the Chelsea game |
Yes he does give us something different. I'm a big fan of Hirst by the way. But you don't drop Delap, and you especially don't if the finest example you've got to offer of how a game without him would improve us is a game where we attacked really well and lost, as opposed to a game where we attacked slightly less well against stronger opponents and won. | | | |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:36 - Feb 23 with 1378 views | sjg |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:35 - Feb 23 by The_Romford_Blue |
Personally think we played well going forward at Brentford but that was more because we had Chaplin playing that anything else.
He provides a link between our very uncreative midfield and our attackers. We don’t have that when he doesn’t play. He gave us the same link against Wolves. Our best chance of goals involves both Chaplin and Delap on the pitch.
Any suggestion of dropping Delap is crazy imo |
I’m not suggesting Hirst becomes first choice but using him like Edmundson last season in a horses for courses approach would make us better I think | | | |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:38 - Feb 23 with 1369 views | sjg |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:35 - Feb 23 by FoghornGleghorn |
Yes he does give us something different. I'm a big fan of Hirst by the way. But you don't drop Delap, and you especially don't if the finest example you've got to offer of how a game without him would improve us is a game where we attacked really well and lost, as opposed to a game where we attacked slightly less well against stronger opponents and won. |
Not sure we lost at Brentford because of Hirst? | | | |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:39 - Feb 23 with 1355 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:38 - Feb 23 by sjg |
Not sure we lost at Brentford because of Hirst? |
And I'm not sure we're losing them because of Delap. | | | |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:41 - Feb 23 with 1339 views | sjg |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:39 - Feb 23 by FoghornGleghorn |
And I'm not sure we're losing them because of Delap. |
We don’t have an own goal, red card, GK error and season ending injury every week, thankfully | | | |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:42 - Feb 23 with 1317 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:30 - Feb 23 by The_Romford_Blue |
How can Delap not be helping our cause to stay up? He’s scored 43% of our goals ffs.
I like you Frimmers but that’s just waffle imo |
Because there's a bigger picture which I feel is being ignored.
We've conceded goals directly from counters where he's ignored simple passes.
We may have scored more goals as a team if he tried more simple passes that are on.
V southampton we were 1 1 when he ignored philogene for a tap in as an example.
Showed other one earlier where an attacking chance was on but he ignored davis again to try to do it himself and failed.
It's absolutely amazing that he's scored 10 goals. I've also acknowledge what he is good at. But in a season. Where we have struggled to score as a team esp at home with just 10 goals all season.. then absolutely It's OK to think we need more of a team mate from our striker than the battering ram that he is.
I'm surprised many of you are simply just happy that he's scored himself rather than looking at the effects his actual performances as a whole has on the side.
How many freekicks we end up facing when ever we try and put the ball in the air to him. How many times it then gives the ball back to the opposition to take their time and control things.
The number of times he tries to do the delap turn which came off I think twice all season.
He's a good lad. And he's gonna be a star.. but for a side like town in this specific season imo we sometimes need a forward not a striker. Hirst is the forward. Bring the striker on as the finisher. [Post edited 23 Feb 21:28]
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:42 - Feb 23 with 1318 views | NeedhamChris |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 19:01 - Feb 23 by StokieBlue |
I'm just glad you have absolutely nothing to do with the selection or the tactics.
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Unlike you to zero in on Frimmers.
If you're looking for a wider scope of debate on this issue than just setting on Frimmers - there's a whole thread on it.
Is it time for George Hirst? by Garv 23 Feb 13:47It's unlikely to result in a huge change in fortunes but it might make us a better attacking unit and help us create better chances instead of relying on Delap trying to do (almost) everything on his own, and aside from anything else he probably deserves it.
We've persisted with Delap - why wouldn't we have done? But it's not brought us results. Hirst has done admirably whenever he's had the opportunity, which hasn't been very often, partly due to fitness.
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:44 - Feb 23 with 1283 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:32 - Feb 23 by sjg |
I’m not saying Delap is better than Hirst, I’m saying Hirst gives us something different. And yes, we did attack better in that half an hour vs Brentford than we did in the Chelsea game |
Exactly this..
People seeing it as saying delaps poor. He's not. But he's not the same player as hirst.
I don't know why it's not seen as an exciting prospect to have the battering ram coming on at 60 minutes when you do need to push and get at em directly. | |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:55 - Feb 23 with 1220 views | StokieBlue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:42 - Feb 23 by NeedhamChris |
Unlike you to zero in on Frimmers.
If you're looking for a wider scope of debate on this issue than just setting on Frimmers - there's a whole thread on it.
Is it time for George Hirst? by Garv 23 Feb 13:47It's unlikely to result in a huge change in fortunes but it might make us a better attacking unit and help us create better chances instead of relying on Delap trying to do (almost) everything on his own, and aside from anything else he probably deserves it.
We've persisted with Delap - why wouldn't we have done? But it's not brought us results. Hirst has done admirably whenever he's had the opportunity, which hasn't been very often, partly due to fitness.
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Unlike you to involve yourself....
My comment was a general comment on his team and his general posting around tactics and wasn't even just about Hirst. I'm aware if the wider debate and if you'd bothered to even remotely look into it before jumping in as you always do you could see I've had numerous debates about Hirst and Delap with lots of posters.
That's before we even look at the number of posters (many) who have taken issue with his posts in this thread which you've ignored. It's quite an obvious narrative you're trying to spin and it's not a good look.
You really are a tiresome bore who often ignores context in their attempts to score cheap points. That's before we even begin with your pathetic posting around McKenna which Phil had to remove yesterday.
The superiority act is ridiculous given your posting history.
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:56 - Feb 23 with 1202 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:42 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Because there's a bigger picture which I feel is being ignored.
We've conceded goals directly from counters where he's ignored simple passes.
We may have scored more goals as a team if he tried more simple passes that are on.
V southampton we were 1 1 when he ignored philogene for a tap in as an example.
Showed other one earlier where an attacking chance was on but he ignored davis again to try to do it himself and failed.
It's absolutely amazing that he's scored 10 goals. I've also acknowledge what he is good at. But in a season. Where we have struggled to score as a team esp at home with just 10 goals all season.. then absolutely It's OK to think we need more of a team mate from our striker than the battering ram that he is.
I'm surprised many of you are simply just happy that he's scored himself rather than looking at the effects his actual performances as a whole has on the side.
How many freekicks we end up facing when ever we try and put the ball in the air to him. How many times it then gives the ball back to the opposition to take their time and control things.
The number of times he tries to do the delap turn which came off I think twice all season.
He's a good lad. And he's gonna be a star.. but for a side like town in this specific season imo we sometimes need a forward not a striker. Hirst is the forward. Bring the striker on as the finisher. [Post edited 23 Feb 21:28]
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He's a lot more than a "battering ram", ffs. This is whack-a-ball levels of nonsense from you. |  |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:57 - Feb 23 with 1190 views | StokieBlue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:56 - Feb 23 by Herbivore |
He's a lot more than a "battering ram", ffs. This is whack-a-ball levels of nonsense from you. |
Careful, you'll upset Chris.
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:00 - Feb 23 with 1164 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:57 - Feb 23 by StokieBlue |
Careful, you'll upset Chris.
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:11 - Feb 23 with 1096 views | pointofblue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:32 - Feb 23 by sjg |
I’m not saying Delap is better than Hirst, I’m saying Hirst gives us something different. And yes, we did attack better in that half an hour vs Brentford than we did in the Chelsea game |
I think the Manchester United game might be a better example of Delap's qualities than Chelsea, albeit he did well against the latter. | |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:14 - Feb 23 with 1080 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:56 - Feb 23 by Herbivore |
He's a lot more than a "battering ram", ffs. This is whack-a-ball levels of nonsense from you. |
I don't think so. I agree wack a ball was bad and I apologised for that. But that was a personally used negative description.
But I'm not using battering ram as a negative in regards to delap. That's what he is. Motd pundits have called him that too and I've heard it from other pundits as well so apologies for using their description as well. [Post edited 23 Feb 21:17]
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:17 - Feb 23 with 1048 views | NeedhamChris |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:14 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't think so. I agree wack a ball was bad and I apologised for that. But that was a personally used negative description.
But I'm not using battering ram as a negative in regards to delap. That's what he is. Motd pundits have called him that too and I've heard it from other pundits as well so apologies for using their description as well. [Post edited 23 Feb 21:17]
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https://theanalyst.com/2024/11/liam-delap-ipswich-town-one-man-battering-ram-car - is a good example of what I think you're saying. | |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:21 - Feb 23 with 1008 views | FrimleyBlue |
That's the thing. Those responding are acting like I've said he's useless when it's not even the case. It's just I think we could use him differently and utilise the other forward who helped us get to where we are and utilise delaps abilities later on in games instead. | |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:32 - Feb 23 with 958 views | NeedhamChris |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 20:55 - Feb 23 by StokieBlue |
Unlike you to involve yourself....
My comment was a general comment on his team and his general posting around tactics and wasn't even just about Hirst. I'm aware if the wider debate and if you'd bothered to even remotely look into it before jumping in as you always do you could see I've had numerous debates about Hirst and Delap with lots of posters.
That's before we even look at the number of posters (many) who have taken issue with his posts in this thread which you've ignored. It's quite an obvious narrative you're trying to spin and it's not a good look.
You really are a tiresome bore who often ignores context in their attempts to score cheap points. That's before we even begin with your pathetic posting around McKenna which Phil had to remove yesterday.
The superiority act is ridiculous given your posting history.
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I've made a point of keeping an eye out for Frimmers given there's a bit of a mob culture on here that likes to goad him into conversations, twist what he says and then get him banned. If you didn't choose his posts to argue with as much as you do, we wouldn't have this level of engagement.
Look at your behaviour in this thread - you post childish nonsense like "Careful, you'll upset Chris" - and then upvote posts that say "Good". I might be tiresome, and I might be a bore, but you won't find me egging people on to bully others.
My McKenna post wouldn't have had to be taken down if the forum wasn't awash with people who can't contain their toxic masculinity long enough to avoid sending abuse. My McKenna views - that he hasn't proven himself at PL level - are valid - whether you agree or not. | |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:38 - Feb 23 with 921 views | NeedhamChris |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:21 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
That's the thing. Those responding are acting like I've said he's useless when it's not even the case. It's just I think we could use him differently and utilise the other forward who helped us get to where we are and utilise delaps abilities later on in games instead. |
Personally, wouldn't drop him - I think he's worth starting (although can see the argument for bringing him on later)
The bigger shame is that we didn't sign another striker like Ioannidis, as that would have left us the option of playing both. | |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:42 - Feb 23 with 900 views | StokieBlue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:32 - Feb 23 by NeedhamChris |
I've made a point of keeping an eye out for Frimmers given there's a bit of a mob culture on here that likes to goad him into conversations, twist what he says and then get him banned. If you didn't choose his posts to argue with as much as you do, we wouldn't have this level of engagement.
Look at your behaviour in this thread - you post childish nonsense like "Careful, you'll upset Chris" - and then upvote posts that say "Good". I might be tiresome, and I might be a bore, but you won't find me egging people on to bully others.
My McKenna post wouldn't have had to be taken down if the forum wasn't awash with people who can't contain their toxic masculinity long enough to avoid sending abuse. My McKenna views - that he hasn't proven himself at PL level - are valid - whether you agree or not. |
Quite the narrative you're spinning there - let's add the actual real-world context.....
Frimmers gets himself banned on a regular basis, it's nothing to do with anyone else. I think it's at least 4 times now and once was for calling Phil a dictator.
Then there is the ChrisMakin account which I can't even be bothered to discuss which he got banned as well.
All I've said is that I'm glad he's not selected the team. It's hardly abusive or goading him, it's a factual statement based on the line-up he's selected where I disagree on a number of things. I've barely responded to Frimley since he was allowed back for the 5th time, in fact this might only be my second response to him I think so once again your post looks narrative driven.
The real issue here is you jumping in and getting involved, not anyone else's posting. Take a look at yourself before pointing fingers at others. Even better, why not engage in a debate on why you think my criticism of his team selection is wrong.
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:48 - Feb 23 with 853 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:42 - Feb 23 by StokieBlue |
Quite the narrative you're spinning there - let's add the actual real-world context.....
Frimmers gets himself banned on a regular basis, it's nothing to do with anyone else. I think it's at least 4 times now and once was for calling Phil a dictator.
Then there is the ChrisMakin account which I can't even be bothered to discuss which he got banned as well.
All I've said is that I'm glad he's not selected the team. It's hardly abusive or goading him, it's a factual statement based on the line-up he's selected where I disagree on a number of things. I've barely responded to Frimley since he was allowed back for the 5th time, in fact this might only be my second response to him I think so once again your post looks narrative driven.
The real issue here is you jumping in and getting involved, not anyone else's posting. Take a look at yourself before pointing fingers at others. Even better, why not engage in a debate on why you think my criticism of his team selection is wrong.
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I am curious myself tho.
I have no issue with your reply other than you've not shared your own thoughts on a potential adapted lineup.. it's all a bit of fun so I'd have liked to have seen your ideas.
I do wonder why tho you down voted my light hearted reply to your post. If I was in charge of it all then that would mean I was managing the side so no I wouldn't be posting so I did find that a tad odd.
Anyways. I've no issue with your actual post. Just would like a bit of a counter reply maybe with your own thoughts on a hypothetical lineup. | |
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:57 - Feb 23 with 808 views | StokieBlue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:48 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
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I am curious myself tho.
I have no issue with your reply other than you've not shared your own thoughts on a potential adapted lineup.. it's all a bit of fun so I'd have liked to have seen your ideas.
I do wonder why tho you down voted my light hearted reply to your post. If I was in charge of it all then that would mean I was managing the side so no I wouldn't be posting so I did find that a tad odd.
Anyways. I've no issue with your actual post. Just would like a bit of a counter reply maybe with your own thoughts on a hypothetical lineup. |
To be honest I didn't write a long counter reply to your line-up because I didn't want to get into an argument. I've also don't agree with your points on Delap but I didn't want to get into an argument about that either.
Chris, in his infinite wisdom, had other ideas unfortunately.
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| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 22:03 - Feb 23 with 759 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone think he should adapt a bit? on 21:57 - Feb 23 by StokieBlue |
To be honest I didn't write a long counter reply to your line-up because I didn't want to get into an argument. I've also don't agree with your points on Delap but I didn't want to get into an argument about that either.
Chris, in his infinite wisdom, had other ideas unfortunately.
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Done be afraid to discuss with me SB. I've not been having arguments ( well don't think they are lol )
Anyways . Just seen equaliser the film is on. So I'm off. But yeah next time do get involved. That's what we're here for :) | |
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