| Jack Taylor 08:34 - Feb 27 with 3435 views | bluesym |
Does anyone else struggle to see what he brings to the side? Seems unfair to talk about 1 player after such a collective dismal team performance last night,but I can only recall his hopeless long "pass' into touch in the last few minutes when i remember seeing him on the pitch.
McKenna chased him for a couple of years,but he hasn't once looked like being a regular in the team since he has been here... |  |
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| Jack Taylor on 08:37 - Feb 27 with 3070 views | FrimleyBlue |
We don't really play a system that suits him imo
Needs to be in a 3 man midfield given the role to roam |  |
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| Jack Taylor on 08:42 - Feb 27 with 3038 views | bluesym |
| Jack Taylor on 08:37 - Feb 27 by FrimleyBlue |
We don't really play a system that suits him imo
Needs to be in a 3 man midfield given the role to roam |
Possibly,but you'd expect more from him (and of course others)last night against 10 men... | |
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| Jack Taylor on 08:47 - Feb 27 with 2993 views | BlueMoon |
It's a sign of our squad depth in comparison to Premier League sides.
You look to the bench and see Taylor coming on, no offence, but that's not a change that will make anywhere near the required impact at this level. |  | | |
| Jack Taylor on 08:50 - Feb 27 with 2960 views | Garv |
Fair enough wider point but that pass at the end, yeah it was a bit hit and hope but my main thought was why are there not more bodies in and around their box?
Never understand why teams don't throw more numbers up front in a scenario like that. It's like we're still thinking about and trying to prevent losing 4-2 and |  |
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| Jack Taylor on 08:58 - Feb 27 with 2911 views | bluesym |
| Jack Taylor on 08:50 - Feb 27 by Garv |
Fair enough wider point but that pass at the end, yeah it was a bit hit and hope but my main thought was why are there not more bodies in and around their box?
Never understand why teams don't throw more numbers up front in a scenario like that. It's like we're still thinking about and trying to prevent losing 4-2 and |
I said the same to my boy last night,about throwing bodies forward. Our goal difference is awful anyway,so may as well lose 4-2 actually trying to make something happen, rather than see our a tedious,tepid,safe,(whatever you want to call it) 3-2 defeat. I'm sat here now still trying to understand what we were actually trying to do 2nd half... | |
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| Jack Taylor on 09:10 - Feb 27 with 2829 views | TractorFrog |
I think we always bring him on in games where we are chasing a goal in the hope he will recreate the goals against Wolves and Swansea last season, but most games since then I feel like I barely notice he’s on in a way that you don’t see with Morsy, Cajuste, Phillips, Luongo. Personally I would have Luongo ahead in the pecking order. |  |
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| Jack Taylor on 09:13 - Feb 27 with 2818 views | Exiled2Surrey |
Regarding the chase for him to sign, I suspect he was one for development over time in the Championship and he is another victim of the rapid rise. But you also seem to forget his shot on goal which wasnt a million miles away. | | | |
| Jack Taylor on 09:14 - Feb 27 with 2819 views | _clive_baker_ |
Its rare that you'll pick up a Jack Taylor for £1m from Peterborough and he'll be dominating the midfield against Bruno Fernandes. I've seen £50m players not do that. I see what he brings, but like most of our squad there's levels to this game and we're asking them to hit ceilings they've either never done before and perhaps in many cases never will.
We're lining up on the start line of the race track against Lewis Hamilton in his Ferrari at times this season. We're in a really nice BMW M4, but we're a long way off these levels at times. |  | | |
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| Jack Taylor on 09:29 - Feb 27 with 2775 views | bluesym |
| Jack Taylor on 09:14 - Feb 27 by _clive_baker_ |
Its rare that you'll pick up a Jack Taylor for £1m from Peterborough and he'll be dominating the midfield against Bruno Fernandes. I've seen £50m players not do that. I see what he brings, but like most of our squad there's levels to this game and we're asking them to hit ceilings they've either never done before and perhaps in many cases never will.
We're lining up on the start line of the race track against Lewis Hamilton in his Ferrari at times this season. We're in a really nice BMW M4, but we're a long way off these levels at times. |
Totally understand the jump in opposition quality this season. Was just thinking generally about him,last year in the championship where he didn't force his way into the team on a regular basis either. Was just curious to see what other people thought about him,when myself personally I haven't quite seen anything in him since day one. | |
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| Jack Taylor on 11:38 - Feb 27 with 2611 views | Garv |
| Jack Taylor on 08:58 - Feb 27 by bluesym |
I said the same to my boy last night,about throwing bodies forward. Our goal difference is awful anyway,so may as well lose 4-2 actually trying to make something happen, rather than see our a tedious,tepid,safe,(whatever you want to call it) 3-2 defeat. I'm sat here now still trying to understand what we were actually trying to do 2nd half... |
I thought we were extremely patient and that was to our credit, to a point. We had a lot of sustained possession, and at times quite high up. But when it got near to their box we either delayed and went backwards or made a bad touch/pass. It very felt like we were out of practice in terms of dictating play and doing 'attack vs defence' like we had to do numerous times in L1 and a few times in the Champ.
I would have liked to see more crosses into the box, but we haven't done that all season. Another issue is that we are such a small team so we can't easily apply pressure physically. That was a big failing in both transfer windows. | |
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| Jack Taylor on 11:53 - Feb 27 with 2537 views | mellowblue |
| Jack Taylor on 11:38 - Feb 27 by Garv |
I thought we were extremely patient and that was to our credit, to a point. We had a lot of sustained possession, and at times quite high up. But when it got near to their box we either delayed and went backwards or made a bad touch/pass. It very felt like we were out of practice in terms of dictating play and doing 'attack vs defence' like we had to do numerous times in L1 and a few times in the Champ.
I would have liked to see more crosses into the box, but we haven't done that all season. Another issue is that we are such a small team so we can't easily apply pressure physically. That was a big failing in both transfer windows. |
slow, negative, ponderous, tippy tappy possession for possession's sake. No intensity or speed of moving the ball. Completely lacking ideas. | | | |
| Jack Taylor on 12:01 - Feb 27 with 2478 views | mellowblue |
| Jack Taylor on 08:42 - Feb 27 by bluesym |
Possibly,but you'd expect more from him (and of course others)last night against 10 men... |
There really is little advantage to be had playing against 10 men. Teams are so tactically aware of how to compensate for the loss. Especially if they are winning. Getting the fifth goal was critical. | | | |
| Jack Taylor on 12:05 - Feb 27 with 2454 views | bluesym |
| Jack Taylor on 12:01 - Feb 27 by mellowblue |
There really is little advantage to be had playing against 10 men. Teams are so tactically aware of how to compensate for the loss. Especially if they are winning. Getting the fifth goal was critical. |
That's a valid point. Thinking about it,teams going down to 10 men these days isn't the nailed on advantage it used to be,look at us at Villa for example. | |
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| Jack Taylor on 12:06 - Feb 27 with 2450 views | Reus30 |
I think the criticism of Jack is harsh. Most of the players on the pitch last night had a poor game.
In nearly two seasons, he hasn't had a prolonged spell in the first 11.
He busts his gut every time he's on the pitch, he's a good player, certainly a top championship player and potential to be more than that. Good with both feet, rockets in his shoes, drives forward, direct, can play in the pivot, likes a tackle, good in the air. Scores great goals.
20 appearances in the league says that Kieran rates him highly and I do too. Shame he just has Jens and Phillips ahead of him but they are top quality players. I wouldn't have him as a 10, he is the left sided pivot, pushing forward all day. |  | | |
| Jack Taylor on 12:11 - Feb 27 with 2420 views | BlueOura |
I've never really seen it with Jack to be honest but then he has never had a proper run of games in the starting line-up which makes it diffucult for him to really show his best form. Maybe next year in the Championship will be his time to shine. |  | | |
| Jack Taylor on 14:25 - Feb 27 with 2232 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Jack Taylor on 12:06 - Feb 27 by Reus30 |
I think the criticism of Jack is harsh. Most of the players on the pitch last night had a poor game.
In nearly two seasons, he hasn't had a prolonged spell in the first 11.
He busts his gut every time he's on the pitch, he's a good player, certainly a top championship player and potential to be more than that. Good with both feet, rockets in his shoes, drives forward, direct, can play in the pivot, likes a tackle, good in the air. Scores great goals.
20 appearances in the league says that Kieran rates him highly and I do too. Shame he just has Jens and Phillips ahead of him but they are top quality players. I wouldn't have him as a 10, he is the left sided pivot, pushing forward all day. |
I think its just because he played 1 misplaced long pass tbh but I didn't mind that. He was at least trying to make something happen after 40 minutes of sideways passing in front of United. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
P1ssed me off a bit that Delap was flailing his arms at him as well, he'd lost the ball just about every time he touched it prior to that. | | | |
| Jack Taylor on 14:31 - Feb 27 with 2193 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Jack Taylor on 12:01 - Feb 27 by mellowblue |
There really is little advantage to be had playing against 10 men. Teams are so tactically aware of how to compensate for the loss. Especially if they are winning. Getting the fifth goal was critical. |
Especially as they scored so early into the 2nd half. Had it stayed 2-2 there would've been more onus on United to press for the winner and we know we're quick on the transition, especially with a man advantage. As you say though when they got the lead all they had to do was sit in and defend it, it didn't make our task of scoring easier. | | | |
| Jack Taylor on 14:35 - Feb 27 with 2171 views | Steve_M |
| Jack Taylor on 11:38 - Feb 27 by Garv |
I thought we were extremely patient and that was to our credit, to a point. We had a lot of sustained possession, and at times quite high up. But when it got near to their box we either delayed and went backwards or made a bad touch/pass. It very felt like we were out of practice in terms of dictating play and doing 'attack vs defence' like we had to do numerous times in L1 and a few times in the Champ.
I would have liked to see more crosses into the box, but we haven't done that all season. Another issue is that we are such a small team so we can't easily apply pressure physically. That was a big failing in both transfer windows. |
"t very felt like we were out of practice in terms of dictating play and doing 'attack vs defence' like we had to do numerous times in L1 and a few times in the Champ."
The second half against Southampton epitomised that IMO. Too many forward players trying to do too much, when we did link up it was too slow and we always looked vulnerable to being hit on the break. |  |
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| Jack Taylor on 14:40 - Feb 27 with 2141 views | cbower |
| Jack Taylor on 11:38 - Feb 27 by Garv |
I thought we were extremely patient and that was to our credit, to a point. We had a lot of sustained possession, and at times quite high up. But when it got near to their box we either delayed and went backwards or made a bad touch/pass. It very felt like we were out of practice in terms of dictating play and doing 'attack vs defence' like we had to do numerous times in L1 and a few times in the Champ.
I would have liked to see more crosses into the box, but we haven't done that all season. Another issue is that we are such a small team so we can't easily apply pressure physically. That was a big failing in both transfer windows. |
Agree re crosses into the box, but frankly who was actually there to get on the end of them? Bringing Hirst on so late and then Szmodics with all but seconds to go was far to meek a response to what was going on. Both should've been on at 65-70 to give Delap some support and stretch United's central defenders. |  |
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| Jack Taylor on 14:53 - Feb 27 with 2099 views | bringbacktheglory |
| Jack Taylor on 11:53 - Feb 27 by mellowblue |
slow, negative, ponderous, tippy tappy possession for possession's sake. No intensity or speed of moving the ball. Completely lacking ideas. |
Yup agree with this. What really frustrated me was how both our centre backs seemingly needed to touch the ball to switch play. Some many times Davis and Philogene were wide open, but by the time it went through Greaves, O’Shea and sometimes Tuanzebe, Utd had managed to close the space with ease. Johnson hit one lovely switch but that was in the whole half. Like you said, no intensity to actually do anything. Felt more like waiting for something to happen rather than force it upon Utd. | | | |
| Jack Taylor on 07:47 - Feb 28 with 1692 views | bluesym |
| Jack Taylor on 14:25 - Feb 27 by _clive_baker_ |
I think its just because he played 1 misplaced long pass tbh but I didn't mind that. He was at least trying to make something happen after 40 minutes of sideways passing in front of United. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
P1ssed me off a bit that Delap was flailing his arms at him as well, he'd lost the ball just about every time he touched it prior to that. |
It isn't because of that pass at all,as I've kinda explained elsewhere in the thread. The pass stuck out in my mind,but wasn't singling him out because of it. | |
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| Jack Taylor on 07:57 - Feb 28 with 1639 views | Dubtractor |
He's not a premier league standard player, is the simple truth of the matter.
A few on here suggested we needed another cm option in January, and I think they were right. If we could have kept Phillips and Cajuste fully fit we'd be in a better position now. |  |
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| Jack Taylor on 08:20 - Feb 28 with 1541 views | Wickets |
| Jack Taylor on 08:47 - Feb 27 by BlueMoon |
It's a sign of our squad depth in comparison to Premier League sides.
You look to the bench and see Taylor coming on, no offence, but that's not a change that will make anywhere near the required impact at this level. |
Did ok against Wolves . |  | | |
| Jack Taylor on 08:58 - Feb 28 with 1427 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Jack Taylor on 08:42 - Feb 27 by bluesym |
Possibly,but you'd expect more from him (and of course others)last night against 10 men... |
That probably says more about your expectations if you think Jack Taylor is going to tear apart Bruno Fernandez. He’s a perfectly competent a championship player, but nowhere near the level of those Utd players. |  |
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| Jack Taylor on 09:08 - Feb 28 with 1372 views | ibbleobble |
He brought us a crucial 3pts against the only team we need to be ahead of come May. That alone has made his contribution this season infinitely more valuable than a lot of others. | | | |
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