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Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie 17:04 - Mar 8 with 3135 views

stiff_talking

Two great back to back performances and looks a Rolls Royce compared to Greaves !

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Sarge

He has had a truly baffling season.

In a season where we’ve spent a lot of money filling our defence with players that make mistake after mistake after mistake, he’s still hardly had a look in despite being comfortably better than anyone else every time he’s played.

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TractorWood

I think he's had no business being so decent. Balls of steel and looks at home in the Prem. Good for him.

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Blue_Heath

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:10 - Mar 8 by TractorWood
I think he's had no business being so decent. Balls of steel and looks at home in the Prem. Good for him.

Is Greaves that much better than Burgess? I am not convinced.

We ripped the heart and soul out of our side, think the old guard would have done better.

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Illinoisblue

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:14 - Mar 8 by Blue_Heath
Is Greaves that much better than Burgess? I am not convinced. We ripped the heart and soul out of our side, think the old guard would have done better.

He’s definitely not 10million pounds better. We acted like drunk lottery winners with our summer spending.

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algy

But he's a "league one" player, can't be good enough for the PL.

I was there when McKenna's ITFC won in the Premier League at Home. Our only home win in a year.

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Nthsuffolkblue

Let's not forget that not so long ago at least one, if not 2 former managers wanted him out of the door in League 1. McKenna might have felt we could do better in the Premier League this season, but he has involved Woolfenden and he is very much part of the squad. I wouldn't be at all surprised for him to be one of the first names on the team sheet in the Premier League in a couple of years.

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LankHenners

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:14 - Mar 8 by Blue_Heath
Is Greaves that much better than Burgess? I am not convinced. We ripped the heart and soul out of our side, think the old guard would have done better.

Th old guard would have been ripped apart in this league. Said many times before, people are letting sentiment trump reality with their player evaluations this season.

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Nutkins_Return

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:18 - Mar 8 by LankHenners
Th old guard would have been ripped apart in this league. Said many times before, people are letting sentiment trump reality with their player evaluations this season.

It's like McKenna watches them in training every single day and just decides no I'll go with the new players even though the team that came up last season are performing much better in training and their running numbers (speed/endurance/power) and all the data is much higher than the new players....

Or....the new players are in fact better as you say and this is just a really really hard league. What is more likely I wonder.

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Sarge

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:18 - Mar 8 by LankHenners
Th old guard would have been ripped apart in this league. Said many times before, people are letting sentiment trump reality with their player evaluations this season.

Trying to take sentimentality out of it and looking at performances this season:

Is Muric* better than Walton? - absolutely no
Is O’Shea better than Woolfenden? - personally no I don’t think so
Is Greaves better than Burgess - no

Is Phillips better than Morsy? - Yes, at least now I think he is
Is Cajuste better than Luongo - Yes

Is Philogene better than Burns - No
Is Clarke better than Broadhead? - No

Is Delap better than Hirst? - Yes

* Palmer clearly very good but he’s only been brought in because of how badly we recruited in this position in the summer

So there are a couple of upgrades, and honestly only 2 of them are clear upgrades, so I’m not convinced the old guard would have done that much worse.

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FoghornGleghorn

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:30 - Mar 8 by Sarge

I feel like we're missing Chaplin far more than the early season made it seem like we would.

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smithy69

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:14 - Mar 8 by Blue_Heath
Is Greaves that much better than Burgess? I am not convinced. We ripped the heart and soul out of our side, think the old guard would have done better.

We would have less points than Southampton

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Nthsuffolkblue

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:28 - Mar 8 by Nutkins_Return

The factor we had that we have lost is partnerships that click and some of that is beyond McKenna's control with the likes of Chaplin and Burns missing. There is always an argument when a team makes a lot of changes that it unsettles the patterns of play. If McKenna (or someone else should he go) can mould the current group together into a team next season could be very exciting and the foundation of a much better attempt at this league. Let's not forget we are far closer to succeeding at this level than Southampton who were staying up in this league a few seasons back.

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Ryorry

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:32 - Mar 8 by FoghornGleghorn
I feel like we're missing Chaplin far more than the early season made it seem like we would.

I’ve been saying that every game since he got injured.


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LankHenners

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:30 - Mar 8 by Sarge

Matching players up like that doesn't really illustrate the whole picture even if I agreed with your comparisons (which I don't).

Having Morsy and Luongo as a midfield two all season would see us absolutely murdered in there for a start.

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Ryorry

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:30 - Mar 8 by Sarge

Agree with you on all of those 👍


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Ryorry

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 18:12 - Mar 8 by LankHenners
Matching players up like that doesn't really illustrate the whole picture even if I agreed with your comparisons (which I don't). Having Morsy and Luongo as a midfield two all season would see us absolutely murdered in there for a start.

He did say that Phillips and Cajuste were better than those two.


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TractorWood

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:30 - Mar 8 by Sarge

Even the upgrades aren't massive upgrades bar Delap and Cajuste.

Our summer recruitment was garbage. I also include closing the Philogene deal in January in the same breath. Not Philogene's fault but it was an obvious poor deal for us with red flags everywhere.

I'd struggle to see McKenna getting a move to a club with a big budget. I dont see any evidence that he wouldnt p1ss it away again.

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LankHenners

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 18:19 - Mar 8 by TractorWood
Even the upgrades aren't massive upgrades bar Delap and Cajuste. Our summer recruitment was garbage. I also include closing the Philogene deal in January in the same breath. Not Philogene's fault but it was an obvious poor deal for us with red flags everywhere. I'd struggle to see McKenna getting a move to a club with a big budget. I dont see any evidence that he wouldnt p1ss it away again.

To be fair if anyone thought we were going to make several signings who were 'massive upgrades' they were being incredibly naive.

Due to the nature of our position in the current environment, we were always going to end up with a bit of a Championship super team with some higher quality players probably coming in on loan. To complain now that that's what we have is a bit daft imo.

Obviously there's the whole 'foreign market' deal which we were clearly promoted too soon to be able to properly set ourselves up to utilise for whatever reason which may have seen some better players come in but then we're talking hypotheticals which is pointless.

Not to say we couldn't have recruited better - we failed to get in another striker and in hindsight obviously got the GK wrong, plus our midfield has been undercooked all season.

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TractorWood

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 18:35 - Mar 8 by LankHenners

It's the foreign recruitment point to me. Lots of teams have established themselves in the prem and made millions selling great talent to the big boys having bought players for peanuts.

We will be able to do that with Delap a bit but ain't nobody going near Muric, Philogene or Clarke for £45m combined.

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ParisBlue

Criminally underused.

Started the season well, very good against Fulham but discarded straight after. We look so much better with him, he's the one defender who moves forward into space, he organises the others and wins so much in the air. The only question mark is whether he lacks some pace but he's no slouch either. Now he's in, hopefully he stays in, but I think once Axel is back that's unlikely (which would annoy me)

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DavoIPB

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 18:38 - Mar 8 by TractorWood
It's the foreign recruitment point to me. Lots of teams have established themselves in the prem and made millions selling great talent to the big boys having bought players for peanuts. We will be able to do that with Delap a bit but ain't nobody going near Muric, Philogene or Clarke for £45m combined.

Look at palace today. Lots of their players were in the 10-20 mill bracket from European teams. Although I did feel our midfield was better than theirs today. Cajuste ran it.

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pointofblue

If finding it slightly odd that he's suddenly becoming the mouthpiece from the club. I swear he was the one to speak to the press before Forest, and he took the lead again today.

Don't get me wrong, I've been one of his biggest cheerleaders on here. But from being pushed to one side at every given opportunity despite doing little wrong to becoming the player who, more than most, faces the press is quite a switch.

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Sarge

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 18:12 - Mar 8 by LankHenners
Matching players up like that doesn't really illustrate the whole picture even if I agreed with your comparisons (which I don't). Having Morsy and Luongo as a midfield two all season would see us absolutely murdered in there for a start.

I’m not really sure how to illustrate the whole picture then other than to say we’ve spent £100m+ buying a new team with no obvious increase in quality.

We brought in too many players that just haven’t shown anywhere near enough to overcome the natural drawback of this kind of overhaul which is a loss of team cohesion and understanding. These players were clearly brought in with the intent of replacing what we had, rather than just providing competition as evidenced by the clear preference shown to them in spite of performance but collectively they’ve not made much difference.

Part of that however is down to the fact that a considerable number of the points Delap has won us have been offset by the number of points Muric cost us. We’d otherwise be at least 5 points better off, potentially out of the bottom 3 and probably not even having this conversation.

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J2BLUE

He never lets us down. We would be made to sell him.

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SaffronWaldenBlues

Thank goodness we didn’t sell Wolfie on 17:09 - Mar 8 by Sarge
He has had a truly baffling season. In a season where we’ve spent a lot of money filling our defence with players that make mistake after mistake after mistake, he’s still hardly had a look in despite being comfortably better than anyone else every time he’s played.

Our willingness to play new signings over in form players is one of the key reasons we’ve been relegated. Burgess, Wolfenden, Chaplin and Broadhead have all been hard done by.

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