| Premier league money and lower league grounds 10:29 - Mar 9 with 2680 views | Mullet |
Palace has always been a dump, but I was a bit surprised just how bad it was still yesterday. Don’t think I’ve been for maybe a decade and a half, but the fact they’ve not been made to upgrade the facilities a bit is pretty shocking.
A bit like Bournemouth who have tinpot league two ground. It seems amazing the Prem doesn’t make clubs invest a bit - when we spent so much this summer making all these changes to Portman Rd to accommodate more away fans etc. yesterday seemed a bit of a pisstake.
Restricted view seats with posts and chunks of the pitch missing isn’t something you should expect at this level is it? The toilets were a weird tardis downstairs too.
Also Palace fans are just as sh1t as all these other clubs it seems. Absolute morgue until they scored.
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 10:32 - Mar 9 with 2643 views | textbackup |
I never understand fans trying to take cheap little digs
They were playing us ffs. PR was dead when we played the likes of Fleetwood. We aren’t an attractive exciting proposition to get excited for |  |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 12:08 - Mar 9 with 2482 views | HungryLikeTheWoolf |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 10:32 - Mar 9 by textbackup |
I never understand fans trying to take cheap little digs
They were playing us ffs. PR was dead when we played the likes of Fleetwood. We aren’t an attractive exciting proposition to get excited for |
Given that Holmesdale fanatics are probably the most well-known 'ultras' group in England, to not do any audible chants until the 82nd minute is pretty poor |  | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 12:28 - Mar 9 with 2421 views | Mullet |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 12:08 - Mar 9 by HungryLikeTheWoolf |
Given that Holmesdale fanatics are probably the most well-known 'ultras' group in England, to not do any audible chants until the 82nd minute is pretty poor |
Yeah I was expecting something more like Blue Action, not three flags doing semaphore | |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 13:06 - Mar 9 with 2343 views | VanDusen |
I think Palace fans are just as bored with the Premier League as the rest of us 'cannon fodder'. One was saying to me (after he said how we didn't deserve to lose at all) he wished he was in our position looking at a Championship season next year as it's just so boring for them lower mid-table year after year after year. He's nailed it - what a joke this whole league is: set up as a side project for six clubs when they've finished their 'Super-league-by any-other-name'. I do hope one day we all band together and boycott this ridiculous league, although the owners are making too much money from it to actively try and challenge it I guess. |  | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 13:51 - Mar 9 with 2250 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 13:06 - Mar 9 by VanDusen |
I think Palace fans are just as bored with the Premier League as the rest of us 'cannon fodder'. One was saying to me (after he said how we didn't deserve to lose at all) he wished he was in our position looking at a Championship season next year as it's just so boring for them lower mid-table year after year after year. He's nailed it - what a joke this whole league is: set up as a side project for six clubs when they've finished their 'Super-league-by any-other-name'. I do hope one day we all band together and boycott this ridiculous league, although the owners are making too much money from it to actively try and challenge it I guess. |
The EPL and EFL will separate from each other in a substantial way, it’s what the Premier League desperately wants, to become an NFL model, franchise teams with games abroad. The EFL needs to be brave, take our cups back and refuse to take their U23 sides in our leagues, regardless of how much hand me down money they offer. The majority of clubs like us won’t win a trophy or play in Europe again anyway, so why risk killing our selves on behalf of greedy owners to get hammered week in and out by money clubs? Let them have their little league on their own. [Post edited 9 Mar 13:52]
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 14:06 - Mar 9 with 2195 views | VanDusen |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 13:51 - Mar 9 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
The EPL and EFL will separate from each other in a substantial way, it’s what the Premier League desperately wants, to become an NFL model, franchise teams with games abroad. The EFL needs to be brave, take our cups back and refuse to take their U23 sides in our leagues, regardless of how much hand me down money they offer. The majority of clubs like us won’t win a trophy or play in Europe again anyway, so why risk killing our selves on behalf of greedy owners to get hammered week in and out by money clubs? Let them have their little league on their own. [Post edited 9 Mar 13:52]
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Agree - only a matter of time. As soon as it reaches 14 US Owners and they can take over the voting rights, which is not going to be too far away. But actually what they really want is a European-wide brand league - which suits me fine. I'm fed up of the media reporting 'fan power' stopped it: as it certainly doesn't seem to be proper fans, just the armchair variety. Most of those I've spoken to over the past 10-15 years going around the country watching town would say good riddance in a heartbeat to the brand clubs.
But as you say the vital thing is NO Under-23s or franchise-based takeovers of community clubs to muscle in on our league. And there should be a fixed transfer system to prevent any poaching of players mid-season too - once you start a season in the EFL you finish it. | | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 15:29 - Mar 9 with 2080 views | hoppy |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 13:06 - Mar 9 by VanDusen |
I think Palace fans are just as bored with the Premier League as the rest of us 'cannon fodder'. One was saying to me (after he said how we didn't deserve to lose at all) he wished he was in our position looking at a Championship season next year as it's just so boring for them lower mid-table year after year after year. He's nailed it - what a joke this whole league is: set up as a side project for six clubs when they've finished their 'Super-league-by any-other-name'. I do hope one day we all band together and boycott this ridiculous league, although the owners are making too much money from it to actively try and challenge it I guess. |
Yet, this season is a vastly different one to the ones you’re saying about being the same 6 clubs year after year…
Just look at the number of unfancied teams in the top half of the table headed up by Forest in third a few points ahead even Man City.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/ |  |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:34 - Mar 9 with 1930 views | OldFart71 |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 13:06 - Mar 9 by VanDusen |
I think Palace fans are just as bored with the Premier League as the rest of us 'cannon fodder'. One was saying to me (after he said how we didn't deserve to lose at all) he wished he was in our position looking at a Championship season next year as it's just so boring for them lower mid-table year after year after year. He's nailed it - what a joke this whole league is: set up as a side project for six clubs when they've finished their 'Super-league-by any-other-name'. I do hope one day we all band together and boycott this ridiculous league, although the owners are making too much money from it to actively try and challenge it I guess. |
What you say is spot on but sadly as with so many things nothing happens because it suits certain factions to have things as they are. But we mustn't be as naive to think that our owners aren't any different to those that run the big clubs in that they are in it to make money. That's not a criticism of them as we should all be eternally grateful that they took over our club on its knees from the Marcus Evans era. But as you say it's gradually becoming a closed shop as it's now pretty likely that for two seasons running those that came up will go down. There needs to be a rethink by those that run football about levelling things up a bit. We hear this all the time in normal life and whilst I am no believer in levelling those up that won't work with those that do or have worked the situation regarding team sports like football where you have a huge gap between the have's and have not's which is compounded by those in a better positions flaunting the rules and have officialdom on their side. | | | |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:38 - Mar 9 with 1883 views | olimar |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 12:28 - Mar 9 by Mullet |
Yeah I was expecting something more like Blue Action, not three flags doing semaphore |
Also, I thought they were down in the corner, but I couldnt see the corner and could only see a small group in the middle.
I thought a few years ago they upset everyone by saying that the club should clear out all the ST holders to let them move to the middle of the stand as they were more important (essentially). | | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:47 - Mar 9 with 1843 views | Mullet |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 13:06 - Mar 9 by VanDusen |
I think Palace fans are just as bored with the Premier League as the rest of us 'cannon fodder'. One was saying to me (after he said how we didn't deserve to lose at all) he wished he was in our position looking at a Championship season next year as it's just so boring for them lower mid-table year after year after year. He's nailed it - what a joke this whole league is: set up as a side project for six clubs when they've finished their 'Super-league-by any-other-name'. I do hope one day we all band together and boycott this ridiculous league, although the owners are making too much money from it to actively try and challenge it I guess. |
I think we are feeling the closed shop effect more acutely aren’t we? If we were competitive enough to be picking up points I suspect we’d be less cynical.
Palace probably occupy the place that was the preserve of say Stoke a few years ago, but it seems the chances of a disaster pulling clubs down are harder and harder to achieve. Just look at United and how they’ve imploded but have no real chance of suffering for it. | |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:48 - Mar 9 with 1829 views | Mullet |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:38 - Mar 9 by olimar |
Also, I thought they were down in the corner, but I couldnt see the corner and could only see a small group in the middle.
I thought a few years ago they upset everyone by saying that the club should clear out all the ST holders to let them move to the middle of the stand as they were more important (essentially). |
BA or the palace lads? | |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:51 - Mar 9 with 1809 views | olimar |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:48 - Mar 9 by Mullet |
BA or the palace lads? |
Well, seem to remember Section 6 thinking it might be good to get on that bandwaggon and try and get them a move to the centre of SBR and got short shrift.
As did the Palace Ultras I thought, but it seems either some of them have set up a splinter group, or the bigger group has just disappeared and thats all thats left. I think they did boycott some games in protest. | | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 17:03 - Mar 9 with 1759 views | Mullet |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:51 - Mar 9 by olimar |
Well, seem to remember Section 6 thinking it might be good to get on that bandwaggon and try and get them a move to the centre of SBR and got short shrift.
As did the Palace Ultras I thought, but it seems either some of them have set up a splinter group, or the bigger group has just disappeared and thats all thats left. I think they did boycott some games in protest. |
I do think it’s a shame BA weren’t given the front and centre of the North. It’s not been great since the rebuild. I guess for Palace they grow up, have kids or whatever and move on and if your season is basically Groundhog Day, how do you keep it going? | |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 17:06 - Mar 9 with 1742 views | VanDusen |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 15:29 - Mar 9 by hoppy |
Yet, this season is a vastly different one to the ones you’re saying about being the same 6 clubs year after year…
Just look at the number of unfancied teams in the top half of the table headed up by Forest in third a few points ahead even Man City.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/ |
But it's not really is it? Bar Forest getting into Europe (and not necessarily Champion's League) I'd still put money on the big clubs (including Newcastle and Villa both backed with Super League money too) squeezing out Brighton and Bournemouth. | | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 17:08 - Mar 9 with 1723 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 15:29 - Mar 9 by hoppy |
Yet, this season is a vastly different one to the ones you’re saying about being the same 6 clubs year after year…
Just look at the number of unfancied teams in the top half of the table headed up by Forest in third a few points ahead even Man City.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/ |
Look at FA Cup. Apart from Man City only Preston, Villa & Forest have won it previously, Villa & Forest back in 1950’s & Preston pre war. |  |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 17:11 - Mar 9 with 1699 views | VanDusen |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:47 - Mar 9 by Mullet |
I think we are feeling the closed shop effect more acutely aren’t we? If we were competitive enough to be picking up points I suspect we’d be less cynical.
Palace probably occupy the place that was the preserve of say Stoke a few years ago, but it seems the chances of a disaster pulling clubs down are harder and harder to achieve. Just look at United and how they’ve imploded but have no real chance of suffering for it. |
In fairness I've been saying it since the late 90s as even then you could see where it's going. But even if we were doing better it wouldn't change the fact that pre-Premier League every season you had a Southampton, a Coventry, a Watford or indeed an Ipswich who could dream of being competitive and maybe get the luck in league or cup. Since the Premier League began we've had one genuine outsider title winner, and a smattering of unlikely cup winners (Middlesbrough, Portsmouth, Wigan). Plus - any smaller club that has any success sees their team plucked to pieces within 2-3 transfer windows anyway. It's just a total waste of time whether you stay up or not as you are not allowed to break the glass ceiling and threaten the advertising revenue of a captive armchair audience for a handful of teams. | | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 17:13 - Mar 9 with 1681 views | olimar |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 17:03 - Mar 9 by Mullet |
I do think it’s a shame BA weren’t given the front and centre of the North. It’s not been great since the rebuild. I guess for Palace they grow up, have kids or whatever and move on and if your season is basically Groundhog Day, how do you keep it going? |
If its died out because they all grew up, then they didnt do a great job of it in the first place.
Edit: Looked it up, seemed that after they went on strike,the club eventually agreed to move them and offered settlements to the supporters that were basically turfed out to make way for them. Which wasnt particularly taken well by many.
Not sure if that has anything to do with how small that group feels now, but it seems like its shrunk rather than grown. [Post edited 9 Mar 17:20]
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 17:32 - Mar 9 with 1579 views | ronnyd |
It wasn't until i googled it that i realised that the Vitality Stadium was just a rename of Dean Ct. I always assumed it was a new build. | | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 17:35 - Mar 9 with 1549 views | Benters |
I actually prefer the older style stadiums compared to somewhere like Reading. |  |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 19:42 - Mar 9 with 1402 views | Blue_Order |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 16:38 - Mar 9 by olimar |
Also, I thought they were down in the corner, but I couldnt see the corner and could only see a small group in the middle.
I thought a few years ago they upset everyone by saying that the club should clear out all the ST holders to let them move to the middle of the stand as they were more important (essentially). |
They moved central a year or two ago, but I think the stipulation from the club was they’d have to be further up the back instead of at the front (same with us in A-Block) to keep the peace as it were.
They sang for the whole game as they always do, but like every English club with an active group, it’s just those 50 odd lads that do, and the rest of the stand/ground will only occasionally join in. |  | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 19:57 - Mar 9 with 1325 views | Swansea_Blue |
Maybe they’ve decided it’s better to spend on the team, given you don’t get any points for new paintwork? |  |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 07:57 - Mar 10 with 906 views | Mullet |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 19:57 - Mar 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Maybe they’ve decided it’s better to spend on the team, given you don’t get any points for new paintwork? |
Well sort of, but isn’t that the point? They’ve been in the league so long and like a few others they’ve just put in flashing advertising boards and little else.
You’d think given how controlling the Prem is, they’d insist things like the posts at palace would be a no no. What it really shows is that we aren’t important as fans, the armchairs are what they care about. | |
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| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 08:03 - Mar 10 with 883 views | Leaky |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 12:08 - Mar 9 by HungryLikeTheWoolf |
Given that Holmesdale fanatics are probably the most well-known 'ultras' group in England, to not do any audible chants until the 82nd minute is pretty poor |
Who the hell are the Holmesdale fanatics sounds like some northern Rugby League team. As for the most well known ultra's in England your having a laugh surely. Never heard of them. |  | | |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 09:10 - Mar 10 with 796 views | Radlett_blue |
| Premier league money and lower league grounds on 17:35 - Mar 9 by Benters |
I actually prefer the older style stadiums compared to somewhere like Reading. |
The Madejski (or whatever it's called now) is a very good stadium but I've always hated going there because of its location. Like most out of town grounds, it's a pain to get there by train & even worse when you want to get out because the shuttle buses are all by the home end & by the time you get there, they've all gone so you have to wait 45 minutes for them to return or face an unpleasant 45 minute walk along dual carriageway hard shoulders or central reservations, |  |
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