| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit 10:45 - Mar 17 with 6545 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Walking through town to PR on Saturday I realised it was the first time in two and a bit years that I wasn’t excited to be watching the game. That sounds ridiculous because we’re in the premier league ffs and have been desperate to be here for quite literally decades. But part of me, just wants the season over and done with so we can look forward to some wins and seeing our young squad develop more and grow next season.
It’s a strange (and rubbish) feeling, but then football is a strange old game.
I’ll probably get a shed of downvotes for saying I feel apathetic, but I know I’m not the only one. And no I didnt leave at HT on Saturday like a good number of others did! Still, I’d much rather feel apathetic in the premier league than in mid table league one!!
Onwards and upwards.
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:50 - Mar 17 with 1396 views | jasondozzell |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:11 - Mar 17 by Radlett_blue |
Indeed, I think McKenna was aware of the big gap between a good Championship squad & one that could compete in the PL. Leicester & Southampton have done no better than us. This season will definitely look like a blot on McKenna's previously impeccable CV. Will he want to show he can bounce back with Town (won't be as good an achievement as taking us up in 2023-24) or might he be tempted if a middling PL club wanted him? Fewer clubs will now be interested in him than a year ago. |
My worry is that I'm not so sure fewer clubs will be interested in him.
If you're a football industry insider, I think his performance this year will have only added to his stock.
Okay, from the outside we've struggled to get points and recent run not good. But that's the lazy media angle. In reality, I think he'll have still made people sit up. In terms of what he's done, to get a league one team to be competitive (as we have been in many games) in the PL in 3 years is ridiculous. If you're Chelsea, United, Brentford, Villa, Palace, etc. you know you've been in tough games this season with us.
I still think people are not recognising the scale of the achievement and therefore the scale of the challenge. In par terms, we ought to finish bottom of the league cut adrift like Saints. The fact we're not is still a big achievement even if not really palatable one for us as fans.
I am worried about Spurs. |  | | |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:54 - Mar 17 with 1370 views | soupytwist |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:01 - Mar 17 by algy |
I was in the upper north as usual. In a capacity crowd have never seen so many empty seats there while still in normal time. And looking to the other end the SAR was like sheep on a hillside. [Post edited 17 Mar 11:08]
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Wasn't much different looking at where you were sat from the SAR to be honest. |  | | |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:54 - Mar 17 with 1372 views | pointofblue |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:50 - Mar 17 by jasondozzell |
My worry is that I'm not so sure fewer clubs will be interested in him.
If you're a football industry insider, I think his performance this year will have only added to his stock.
Okay, from the outside we've struggled to get points and recent run not good. But that's the lazy media angle. In reality, I think he'll have still made people sit up. In terms of what he's done, to get a league one team to be competitive (as we have been in many games) in the PL in 3 years is ridiculous. If you're Chelsea, United, Brentford, Villa, Palace, etc. you know you've been in tough games this season with us.
I still think people are not recognising the scale of the achievement and therefore the scale of the challenge. In par terms, we ought to finish bottom of the league cut adrift like Saints. The fact we're not is still a big achievement even if not really palatable one for us as fans.
I am worried about Spurs. |
To be pedantic, we are cut adrift.
I think the concern other clubs may have about McKenna is teams have had it easier against us second time around than first, maybe other than Fulham plus going down to ten affected the game at Villa. We're not showing signs of improving despite supposedly strengthening in January - instead we're going backwards. |  |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:57 - Mar 17 with 1368 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:50 - Mar 17 by jasondozzell |
My worry is that I'm not so sure fewer clubs will be interested in him.
If you're a football industry insider, I think his performance this year will have only added to his stock.
Okay, from the outside we've struggled to get points and recent run not good. But that's the lazy media angle. In reality, I think he'll have still made people sit up. In terms of what he's done, to get a league one team to be competitive (as we have been in many games) in the PL in 3 years is ridiculous. If you're Chelsea, United, Brentford, Villa, Palace, etc. you know you've been in tough games this season with us.
I still think people are not recognising the scale of the achievement and therefore the scale of the challenge. In par terms, we ought to finish bottom of the league cut adrift like Saints. The fact we're not is still a big achievement even if not really palatable one for us as fans.
I am worried about Spurs. |
The league one narrative is a massive stretch now.
Many of the L1 players were bought from the championship, its not like we had a bunch of league one journeymen.
We added £120m of players to the championship promotion squad.
KM has done a great job, but we cant pretend that we have been playing with a bunch of L1 journeymen this season. |  |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:59 - Mar 17 with 1362 views | bsw72 |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:45 - Mar 17 by Illinoisblue |
Our continued inability to lay a glove on most teams since Xmas has been painful to watch. It’s a slow lingering death so apathy and feeling numb is to be expected. It wasn’t meant to be like this. |
I think we have laid a glove on a number of teams, main problem it's a lace one vs the boxing ones being used on us. |  | | |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:00 - Mar 17 with 1349 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:50 - Mar 17 by jasondozzell |
My worry is that I'm not so sure fewer clubs will be interested in him.
If you're a football industry insider, I think his performance this year will have only added to his stock.
Okay, from the outside we've struggled to get points and recent run not good. But that's the lazy media angle. In reality, I think he'll have still made people sit up. In terms of what he's done, to get a league one team to be competitive (as we have been in many games) in the PL in 3 years is ridiculous. If you're Chelsea, United, Brentford, Villa, Palace, etc. you know you've been in tough games this season with us.
I still think people are not recognising the scale of the achievement and therefore the scale of the challenge. In par terms, we ought to finish bottom of the league cut adrift like Saints. The fact we're not is still a big achievement even if not really palatable one for us as fans.
I am worried about Spurs. |
Its a prime reason why we've stuck to our main style imo, lots of prem promoted managers do it.
KM won't lose any reputation this season, he sets his side out to play a certain way, he 100% can sit behind the fact he doesn't have the quality to be successful with it at this level.
However, take the data from the games, the fitness levels obtained, the patterns of play, the 'roles' and KM can simply present it to any of the top 10 sides as the foundation behind his teams and he's in with a shot of a managerial vacancy. [Post edited 17 Mar 12:01]
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:07 - Mar 17 with 1336 views | TractorWood |
Schrodinger's prem side atm. Apathy is natural.
Chelsea away feels like 4 hours travel and £75 on watching us lose 3-0 in what is basically a pre-pre-season game. |  |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:10 - Mar 17 with 1329 views | Leaky |
I thinl its a case of the journey being better than the destanation |  | | |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:16 - Mar 17 with 1311 views | algy |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:47 - Mar 17 by Rozz |
That's home and away, sorry |
Fair enough, I don't go away and help to pay the oppositions' wages. | |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:17 - Mar 17 with 1311 views | TractorCam |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:19 - Mar 17 by Steve_M |
For all the mitigating circumstances, and the overall progress of the club over the past three years, it's absolutely miserable being just a bit short game after game. And the ones we're not a bit short, we're a long way off it.
The odd win, even a run of draws would do wonders for the collective mood even if doing nothing to change the finishing position. That's the real difference between the Autumn and now. We've still not even made up the two points we were unfortunate to drop at Fulham and confidence has visibly dropped by the match, |
"The odd win, even a run of draws would do wonders for the collective mood"
Different circumstance as it was the start of the season, but easy to forget we went into October having only lost to Liverpool and City. With 4 brilliant draws in a row. |  |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:20 - Mar 17 with 1296 views | algy |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:54 - Mar 17 by soupytwist |
Wasn't much different looking at where you were sat from the SAR to be honest. |
Have to wonder where the poster that thought the North stayed "nearly to a man" was in the ground. | |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:37 - Mar 17 with 1255 views | BloomBlue |
I think too many were stuck in the early 2000s and thought we could join the PL circus and immediately sit around midtable and didn't understand how far the PL has moved in those 20 years.
I guess it should have been obvious if you look at Burnley last season and how they struggled after they walked the Championship the season previously.
Addin we had two amazing successful seasons and you enter with incredible enthusiasm. We had a reasonable start to the season but we didn't actually improve. As a fan base we then expect the Jan transfer window to bring in additions to inspire us to improve as occurred in those previous two seasons, instead we came out out it more impotent than inspired, and all that adds to a deflated feeling.
It did hit me when standing in the fanzone on Saturday how many fans I overheard who were clearly expecting another defeat, not even the hope of a draw, even before a ball was kicked. |  | | |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:37 - Mar 17 with 1251 views | jasondozzell |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:54 - Mar 17 by pointofblue |
To be pedantic, we are cut adrift.
I think the concern other clubs may have about McKenna is teams have had it easier against us second time around than first, maybe other than Fulham plus going down to ten affected the game at Villa. We're not showing signs of improving despite supposedly strengthening in January - instead we're going backwards. |
True about going backwards but I think that's explained by the fact that we've had to try an integrate new players to give us a chance to compete and that process is not a given or an easy one. KM has had to two probably 2 seasons' worth of team development in the middle of a season. | | | |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:39 - Mar 17 with 1245 views | VanDusen |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:50 - Mar 17 by jasondozzell |
My worry is that I'm not so sure fewer clubs will be interested in him.
If you're a football industry insider, I think his performance this year will have only added to his stock.
Okay, from the outside we've struggled to get points and recent run not good. But that's the lazy media angle. In reality, I think he'll have still made people sit up. In terms of what he's done, to get a league one team to be competitive (as we have been in many games) in the PL in 3 years is ridiculous. If you're Chelsea, United, Brentford, Villa, Palace, etc. you know you've been in tough games this season with us.
I still think people are not recognising the scale of the achievement and therefore the scale of the challenge. In par terms, we ought to finish bottom of the league cut adrift like Saints. The fact we're not is still a big achievement even if not really palatable one for us as fans.
I am worried about Spurs. |
And that is where the prohibitive buyout clause and salary come into it. Yes, Spurs is a risk given his connections and yes football insiders probably recognise he's done ok. But try telling that to the large moronic contingent who believe Spurs are a giant of Europe despite having won barely anything in 30 years, and a league title less recently than we have! Levy is already unpopular and outlaying £5m or so + huge salary for a recently relegated manager is likely to be a hard sell to Spurs fans... | | | |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:39 - Mar 17 with 1246 views | Steve_M |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:17 - Mar 17 by TractorCam |
"The odd win, even a run of draws would do wonders for the collective mood"
Different circumstance as it was the start of the season, but easy to forget we went into October having only lost to Liverpool and City. With 4 brilliant draws in a row. |
Yep, we did enough for a point against each of Brighton, Man Utd and Palace and - even allowing for the crapness of the performance - that's the worst we should have got from Southampton.
Four more points wouldn't change too much but it would feel a bit less miserable than now. I don't think we went more than two matches in a row without picking up at least a point before January. |  |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:42 - Mar 17 with 1240 views | jasondozzell |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:57 - Mar 17 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The league one narrative is a massive stretch now.
Many of the L1 players were bought from the championship, its not like we had a bunch of league one journeymen.
We added £120m of players to the championship promotion squad.
KM has done a great job, but we cant pretend that we have been playing with a bunch of L1 journeymen this season. |
I appreciate that they are not a team of L1 journeymen.
But in terms of squad value, infrastructure, scouting, experience we were miles behind Leicester and Saints let alone the other PL teams.
120m sadly is chicken feed at the top level now. For most PL teams, that is probably two players.
I still think we're underestimating the scale of the challenge.
I am desperate for us to keep KM but Spurs has been the worry all season. | | | |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:46 - Mar 17 with 1222 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 11:57 - Mar 17 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The league one narrative is a massive stretch now.
Many of the L1 players were bought from the championship, its not like we had a bunch of league one journeymen.
We added £120m of players to the championship promotion squad.
KM has done a great job, but we cant pretend that we have been playing with a bunch of L1 journeymen this season. |
For arguments sake also ... if we hadn't of got promoted and spent another 2-3 years in the Championship, how many of last years squad would still been here? I'd have probably said only a handful at most. |  |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:48 - Mar 17 with 1217 views | algy |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:37 - Mar 17 by BloomBlue |
I think too many were stuck in the early 2000s and thought we could join the PL circus and immediately sit around midtable and didn't understand how far the PL has moved in those 20 years.
I guess it should have been obvious if you look at Burnley last season and how they struggled after they walked the Championship the season previously.
Addin we had two amazing successful seasons and you enter with incredible enthusiasm. We had a reasonable start to the season but we didn't actually improve. As a fan base we then expect the Jan transfer window to bring in additions to inspire us to improve as occurred in those previous two seasons, instead we came out out it more impotent than inspired, and all that adds to a deflated feeling.
It did hit me when standing in the fanzone on Saturday how many fans I overheard who were clearly expecting another defeat, not even the hope of a draw, even before a ball was kicked. |
Of the previous 8 home games, we'd won 1, lost 7, scored 7, conceded 21. Fans expecting another defeat should not be a surprise to anyone. | |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:52 - Mar 17 with 1204 views | algy |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:46 - Mar 17 by Kieran_Knows |
For arguments sake also ... if we hadn't of got promoted and spent another 2-3 years in the Championship, how many of last years squad would still been here? I'd have probably said only a handful at most. |
Presume that's a Norfolk handful you mean. We'd only have been in to one another year in the Championship, not the 2-3 you refer to. Would make a difference. | |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 13:08 - Mar 17 with 1173 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 12:42 - Mar 17 by jasondozzell |
I appreciate that they are not a team of L1 journeymen.
But in terms of squad value, infrastructure, scouting, experience we were miles behind Leicester and Saints let alone the other PL teams.
120m sadly is chicken feed at the top level now. For most PL teams, that is probably two players.
I still think we're underestimating the scale of the challenge.
I am desperate for us to keep KM but Spurs has been the worry all season. |
We are miles behind the rest, not so much Leicester and Southampton anymore.
I think we need to move on from League 1 references.
I didn't expect us to stay up. | |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 13:17 - Mar 17 with 1137 views | hype313 |
I didn't go on Saturday for the first time this season through choice.
Both mine and my Wife's birthday's and I said I was happy to give my ticket to my son's friend, as he hasn't been able to go this season. I could also see that result happening a mile off.
Had quite a relaxing day in the end, although my Wife did drag me to Norwich, and I heard a few shouts of 'Ipswich are falling apart again' which I found ironic given they haven't won in 8 and wet the bed against the Owls.. |  |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 13:34 - Mar 17 with 1121 views | textbackup |
Going down in the fashion we are has been really disappointing, people can talk about hitting a post here, and bad pen decision there, but with 9 games to go we are 9 points adrift.
Some will say it should be more because wolves are better than that, which then makes it even worse.
Had far more (Amy) downs as a town fan than I have ups, so this isn’t a new thing. And losing in the PL isn’t really a ‘down’ it’s a minor frustration when 22 years were spent wanting to be back there.
And honestly, this lot currently losing aren’t ’my Ipswich’
‘My Ipswich’ are Burleys boys of 1999/2000/2001 and KMs L1 and Championship promotion teams.
I saw them as my mates, this lot, no real connection to them. |  |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 13:44 - Mar 17 with 1085 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 13:34 - Mar 17 by textbackup |
Going down in the fashion we are has been really disappointing, people can talk about hitting a post here, and bad pen decision there, but with 9 games to go we are 9 points adrift.
Some will say it should be more because wolves are better than that, which then makes it even worse.
Had far more (Amy) downs as a town fan than I have ups, so this isn’t a new thing. And losing in the PL isn’t really a ‘down’ it’s a minor frustration when 22 years were spent wanting to be back there.
And honestly, this lot currently losing aren’t ’my Ipswich’
‘My Ipswich’ are Burleys boys of 1999/2000/2001 and KMs L1 and Championship promotion teams.
I saw them as my mates, this lot, no real connection to them. |
It won't happen, but it would be nice to see M/A and KM come out and maybe admit a few things..
We're not here to just make up the numbers....
well we kinda have been... why is that.
Are they happy to admit they didn't see the gap as big as it is?
Did recruitment not go to plan?
What changed from that confidence, to what has transpired.
Appreciate the club don't have to tell fans everything, It would actually just be nice to know from the clubs side how they feel it's gone so differently to what they felt originally. | |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 13:53 - Mar 17 with 1070 views | textbackup |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 13:44 - Mar 17 by FrimleyBlue |
It won't happen, but it would be nice to see M/A and KM come out and maybe admit a few things..
We're not here to just make up the numbers....
well we kinda have been... why is that.
Are they happy to admit they didn't see the gap as big as it is?
Did recruitment not go to plan?
What changed from that confidence, to what has transpired.
Appreciate the club don't have to tell fans everything, It would actually just be nice to know from the clubs side how they feel it's gone so differently to what they felt originally. |
If they don’t hold some sort of PMR/season debriefing I’d be amazed (actually I don’t even need to say it, as I know they will)
However, you can only improve if they all own their actions that failed, that’s from top to the bottom.
So Muric for example, I don’t want that tin pot keeper company listed as the reason for that transfer failing, it should be asked why it failed, why we used them, why other options weren’t considered etc | |
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| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 14:10 - Mar 17 with 1033 views | hype313 |
| Apathy creeping in and I don’t like it one bit on 13:44 - Mar 17 by FrimleyBlue |
It won't happen, but it would be nice to see M/A and KM come out and maybe admit a few things..
We're not here to just make up the numbers....
well we kinda have been... why is that.
Are they happy to admit they didn't see the gap as big as it is?
Did recruitment not go to plan?
What changed from that confidence, to what has transpired.
Appreciate the club don't have to tell fans everything, It would actually just be nice to know from the clubs side how they feel it's gone so differently to what they felt originally. |
Think it's glaringly obvious isn't it? We have 1 player with solid premier league experience, who has taken 6 months to get up to speed.
Recruitment has been problematic, but to get a PL Player in with the required experience/level would be someone like Smith-Rowe, who cost £35m and £100k a week, we just can't shop in that market. And we need 5-6 of that level, just never going to happen.
We also needed every signing to bang from the off, apart from Delap who has overachieved from the outset and DOS, everyone else has been inconsistent at best.
It's like trying to run up the travellator on one leg. | |
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