| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? 15:10 - Apr 3 with 8064 views | NthQldITFC |
What size of crash would cause the Great Orange Sh!t-gibbon to lose his grip on the branch? |  |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:22 - Apr 4 with 1852 views | giant_stow |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 11:37 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
That's an unrealised paper loss unless you will be cashing it out any time soon. I think in a couple of years there's a good chance that will have bounced back with interest unless something dramatic happens like another war. |
Not challenging, but what makes you say that? |  |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:24 - Apr 4 with 1845 views | Nutkins_Return |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 11:28 - Apr 4 by MJallday |
if it helps, my stocks and shares ISA (with a UK company and low risk, spread shares) which had 20k in it on wednesday is now worth 19k this morning.
the sh1tg1bbon has personally cost me at least 1k |
He hasn't. I can't stand Trump. He's a bafoon and a repulsive human being. The things he is doing to his friends and allies is disgusting. But relatively short term some of this tariff stuff will bring some positive results for the US at least. I imagine his strategy is classic trump, go in hard and pull the trigger on some extreme stuff and when he gets a good chunk of what he wants (commitments of investment/manufacturing in US etc etc) he will reign it back.
What is not clear is the longer term impact. The trust and goodwill lost. Strategically Europe will look to new markets rather than eggs in 'friendly' US basket etc. It's a new world order.
In summary I'd back your stocks to be ok. [Post edited 4 Apr 17:56]
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:25 - Apr 4 with 1839 views | TractorWood |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:24 - Apr 4 by Nutkins_Return |
He hasn't. I can't stand Trump. He's a bafoon and a repulsive human being. The things he is doing to his friends and allies is disgusting. But relatively short term some of this tariff stuff will bring some positive results for the US at least. I imagine his strategy is classic trump, go in hard and pull the trigger on some extreme stuff and when he gets a good chunk of what he wants (commitments of investment/manufacturing in US etc etc) he will reign it back.
What is not clear is the longer term impact. The trust and goodwill lost. Strategically Europe will look to new markets rather than eggs in 'friendly' US basket etc. It's a new world order.
In summary I'd back your stocks to be ok. [Post edited 4 Apr 17:56]
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Agree entirely. We are just unfortunately in the US coughs and the world catches the cold part of this particular market event.
At least shares will be be cheap for the new isa tax year! [Post edited 4 Apr 12:26]
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:28 - Apr 4 with 1817 views | giant_stow |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:24 - Apr 4 by Nutkins_Return |
He hasn't. I can't stand Trump. He's a bafoon and a repulsive human being. The things he is doing to his friends and allies is disgusting. But relatively short term some of this tariff stuff will bring some positive results for the US at least. I imagine his strategy is classic trump, go in hard and pull the trigger on some extreme stuff and when he gets a good chunk of what he wants (commitments of investment/manufacturing in US etc etc) he will reign it back.
What is not clear is the longer term impact. The trust and goodwill lost. Strategically Europe will look to new markets rather than eggs in 'friendly' US basket etc. It's a new world order.
In summary I'd back your stocks to be ok. [Post edited 4 Apr 17:56]
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If he keeps flip flopping will any business want to invest in big plant constructions? | |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:33 - Apr 4 with 1806 views | _clive_baker_ |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:25 - Apr 4 by TractorWood |
Agree entirely. We are just unfortunately in the US coughs and the world catches the cold part of this particular market event.
At least shares will be be cheap for the new isa tax year! [Post edited 4 Apr 12:26]
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What's nuts is some stocks look cheap by relatively recent standards, but I still don't think there are too many that actually represent value by most metrics. |  | | |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:38 - Apr 4 with 1765 views | TractorWood |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:33 - Apr 4 by _clive_baker_ |
What's nuts is some stocks look cheap by relatively recent standards, but I still don't think there are too many that actually represent value by most metrics. |
Agree. Rolls is cheap at £6.75 if you sold at £8.05 etc | |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:39 - Apr 4 with 1756 views | MJallday |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 11:37 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
That's an unrealised paper loss unless you will be cashing it out any time soon. I think in a couple of years there's a good chance that will have bounced back with interest unless something dramatic happens like another war. |
its not a paper loss - its an actual loss
you are right, its a long term view i should be taking not a short term one, that said, i dont think the markets are going to recover for a while on this one back to their previous levels
edit - the point im making is that if id have put it in my back pocket on monday. id have 20600 (or so) - today, its 19080 (or so) . given that i put 20k in to start with (6 months ago), to receive "any less" - is depressing.
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:45 - Apr 4 with 1720 views | J2BLUE |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:22 - Apr 4 by giant_stow |
Not challenging, but what makes you say that? |
Although you can never guarantee anything and this is not financial advice, the stock market has largely gone up over time.
There are always short term shocks. WW1, Wall Street Crash, WW2, high inflation in the 80s, Y2k fears, 9/11, the pandemic, Ukraine, Trump's tariffs etc etc.
Take the S&P 500 for example. Over the last 33 years it has a compound annual growth rate of 11% (in Euros). That includes several of the issues above.
On Youtube you will see lots of videos of people saying oh my god it's gone down 10%, this is so terrible. It's a blip.
If you don't believe me, then maybe Warren Buffett can help. For average investors he recommend 90% in an S&P 500 index tracker.
If you think of a company you thought was good value before Trump came in office and now see it at a 10-20% discount it's a no brainer to buy it if you believe they can ride out the short term issues. [Post edited 4 Apr 12:49]
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:47 - Apr 4 with 1703 views | TractorWood |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:39 - Apr 4 by MJallday |
its not a paper loss - its an actual loss
you are right, its a long term view i should be taking not a short term one, that said, i dont think the markets are going to recover for a while on this one back to their previous levels
edit - the point im making is that if id have put it in my back pocket on monday. id have 20600 (or so) - today, its 19080 (or so) . given that i put 20k in to start with (6 months ago), to receive "any less" - is depressing.
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It's a paper loss until you sell. [Post edited 4 Apr 12:48]
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:48 - Apr 4 with 1698 views | J2BLUE |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:39 - Apr 4 by MJallday |
its not a paper loss - its an actual loss
you are right, its a long term view i should be taking not a short term one, that said, i dont think the markets are going to recover for a while on this one back to their previous levels
edit - the point im making is that if id have put it in my back pocket on monday. id have 20600 (or so) - today, its 19080 (or so) . given that i put 20k in to start with (6 months ago), to receive "any less" - is depressing.
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Fair enough, I have a completely different view on that though. My portfolio is down 10%. Just this morning of of my alerts triggered and I bought some sort of a certain stock. | |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:59 - Apr 4 with 1631 views | MJallday |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:48 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
Fair enough, I have a completely different view on that though. My portfolio is down 10%. Just this morning of of my alerts triggered and I bought some sort of a certain stock. |
stocks go up and down. thats the nature of the beast
personally right now, id be tempted to buy apple or tesla.
once this blows over they will return back to their previous levels | |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:00 - Apr 4 with 1615 views | J2BLUE |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:59 - Apr 4 by MJallday |
stocks go up and down. thats the nature of the beast
personally right now, id be tempted to buy apple or tesla.
once this blows over they will return back to their previous levels |
That's precisely the point i'm making! :) | |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:01 - Apr 4 with 1608 views | itfcjoe |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:45 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
Although you can never guarantee anything and this is not financial advice, the stock market has largely gone up over time.
There are always short term shocks. WW1, Wall Street Crash, WW2, high inflation in the 80s, Y2k fears, 9/11, the pandemic, Ukraine, Trump's tariffs etc etc.
Take the S&P 500 for example. Over the last 33 years it has a compound annual growth rate of 11% (in Euros). That includes several of the issues above.
On Youtube you will see lots of videos of people saying oh my god it's gone down 10%, this is so terrible. It's a blip.
If you don't believe me, then maybe Warren Buffett can help. For average investors he recommend 90% in an S&P 500 index tracker.
If you think of a company you thought was good value before Trump came in office and now see it at a 10-20% discount it's a no brainer to buy it if you believe they can ride out the short term issues. [Post edited 4 Apr 12:49]
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Didn't Warren Buffet cash in his portfolio because he thought Trump was going to win to stick it in cash? |  |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:01 - Apr 4 with 1608 views | _clive_baker_ |
What are y'all bullish on then?
I think there's more pain to come. Futures market suggests the Dow is to open quite heavily down again which wont surprise anyone.
Its hard to keep a straight face and describe even these valuations as close to sensible by just about any metric I look at, but nonetheless there's clearly plenty trading at a discount vs recent standards. I'm watching Uber closely, bullish on the long term prospects although a market cap of $140bn is pretty nuts. I've been holding a decent amount and topping up over the years, they've done well for me. Might take the opportunity to add some more soon but will see. Got on the Nvidia train at about 50 bucks, might grab some more. Paypal is starting to look attractive at something around $55 IMO.
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:08 - Apr 4 with 1564 views | J2BLUE |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:01 - Apr 4 by itfcjoe |
Didn't Warren Buffet cash in his portfolio because he thought Trump was going to win to stick it in cash? |
I don't know to be honest. He actively manages his company. His advice to others is just buy a tracker fund and forget about it. Over the long term it tends to be decent advice.
I do own mainly individual shares though as I love investing and researching. | |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:25 - Apr 4 with 1487 views | mutters |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:08 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
I don't know to be honest. He actively manages his company. His advice to others is just buy a tracker fund and forget about it. Over the long term it tends to be decent advice.
I do own mainly individual shares though as I love investing and researching. |
If I recall, should Buffet pass before his wife, he's advised her to stick it all in trackers and not over think it. Unless you know what you're doing and are actively interested in the market it's the safer and productive choice.
I am the same as you, I really enjoy investing and research but due to time constraints I am finding it a lot easier to stick in trackers funds and just drip feed it |  |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:29 - Apr 4 with 1453 views | Bluecoin |
Give it a bit more time for things to settle a bit, then start buying the dip. DCA.
Buy more Bitcoin. It's on sale. | | | |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:42 - Apr 4 with 1372 views | iamatractorboy |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:28 - Apr 4 by giant_stow |
If he keeps flip flopping will any business want to invest in big plant constructions? |
To quote a popular phrase: "This." | | | |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:46 - Apr 4 with 1330 views | Radlett_blue |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:01 - Apr 4 by itfcjoe |
Didn't Warren Buffet cash in his portfolio because he thought Trump was going to win to stick it in cash? |
Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has a cash pile of $334 billion. The company should be broken up and/or the cash returned to shareholders. |  |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 14:07 - Apr 4 with 1247 views | giant_stow |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:45 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
Although you can never guarantee anything and this is not financial advice, the stock market has largely gone up over time.
There are always short term shocks. WW1, Wall Street Crash, WW2, high inflation in the 80s, Y2k fears, 9/11, the pandemic, Ukraine, Trump's tariffs etc etc.
Take the S&P 500 for example. Over the last 33 years it has a compound annual growth rate of 11% (in Euros). That includes several of the issues above.
On Youtube you will see lots of videos of people saying oh my god it's gone down 10%, this is so terrible. It's a blip.
If you don't believe me, then maybe Warren Buffett can help. For average investors he recommend 90% in an S&P 500 index tracker.
If you think of a company you thought was good value before Trump came in office and now see it at a 10-20% discount it's a no brainer to buy it if you believe they can ride out the short term issues. [Post edited 4 Apr 12:49]
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Thanks fella, good explanation - appreciated | |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 14:11 - Apr 4 with 1231 views | Blueschev |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 13:29 - Apr 4 by Bluecoin |
Give it a bit more time for things to settle a bit, then start buying the dip. DCA.
Buy more Bitcoin. It's on sale. |
I spent all my money on magic beans I'm afraid. Once they pay out I'll be in touch. |  | | |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 14:33 - Apr 4 with 1177 views | Bluecoin |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 14:11 - Apr 4 by Blueschev |
I spent all my money on magic beans I'm afraid. Once they pay out I'll be in touch. |
Glad blue badger found a buyer. Good luck buddy. | | | |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 16:49 - Apr 4 with 1028 views | TractorWood |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:45 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE |
Although you can never guarantee anything and this is not financial advice, the stock market has largely gone up over time.
There are always short term shocks. WW1, Wall Street Crash, WW2, high inflation in the 80s, Y2k fears, 9/11, the pandemic, Ukraine, Trump's tariffs etc etc.
Take the S&P 500 for example. Over the last 33 years it has a compound annual growth rate of 11% (in Euros). That includes several of the issues above.
On Youtube you will see lots of videos of people saying oh my god it's gone down 10%, this is so terrible. It's a blip.
If you don't believe me, then maybe Warren Buffett can help. For average investors he recommend 90% in an S&P 500 index tracker.
If you think of a company you thought was good value before Trump came in office and now see it at a 10-20% discount it's a no brainer to buy it if you believe they can ride out the short term issues. [Post edited 4 Apr 12:49]
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Agree. It's all about picking value and seizing opportunities like now.
I'm convinced these tariffs will fall away as Trump negotiates with mostly Asian economies. Europe will swallow it or take a year to negotiate a measly reduction. UK looks to be well placed. FTSE is overreacting imo. | |
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| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 19:14 - Apr 4 with 911 views | Chris_ITFC |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 12:22 - Apr 4 by giant_stow |
Not challenging, but what makes you say that? |
Depending on your age, he should be long gone and probably cold in the ground before you need to cash anything in. |  | | |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 23:26 - Apr 4 with 757 views | WicklowBlue |
| US stock markets crashing - how significant a fall? on 16:49 - Apr 4 by TractorWood |
Agree. It's all about picking value and seizing opportunities like now.
I'm convinced these tariffs will fall away as Trump negotiates with mostly Asian economies. Europe will swallow it or take a year to negotiate a measly reduction. UK looks to be well placed. FTSE is overreacting imo. |
Too early to invest yet, Trump is off Golfing for the weekend while the markets burn.
Further dips to follow globally, listen to the mood music around the EU negotiations.... EU posed to add tariffs in a week or so if nothing changes and more at the end of the month. If Trump and Co don't start ceding ground the US could be facing a rolling wave of counter measures in the coming weeks keeping the downward pressure on markets and USD. Plus the Fed are already starting to grumble even more.
Never ever try to double guess the market, the winner is always the longer term view. |  | | |
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