| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters 16:07 - May 2 with 5443 views | positivity |
how would you deal with them?
how do you tackle someone who appeals to people’s base instincts and has no intention of keeping a single promise - just getting to power and blaming the problems on everyone else?
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 13:40 - May 4 with 741 views | CoachRob |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 12:36 - May 4 by NthQldITFC |
That does explain it. Bloody awful. |
I know a couple of engineers that worked in oil and gas industry who have moved into research. One works as a senior climate scientist and the other at the Bank of England research department. I think engineers are intuitive problem solvers and have the maths background to go into physics or financial modelling.
I don't know whether you read James Hansen's recent paper, but if he is right and we are committed to 2C of warming then "bloody awful" would be an apt description of the impacts. |  | | |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 14:35 - May 4 with 699 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 04:14 - May 4 by JackNorthStand |
That’s a good point you’ve raised regarding transferable skills to the renewable sector. And actually I agree with you, I believe this is something that should be considered by the government, essentially some sort of scheme for skilled workers who wish to transition or who have been laid off due to the above issues you and I discussed.
Transition can happen, but the transition period required is long term and believe suspending the issuing of new drilling licenses is shooting from the hip.
You seem like you have a lot of knowledge on renewables . Any thoughts on GeoThermal energy? |
I am not sure it is the government's responsibility to offer said scheme as I am talking about directly transferable skills. Geothermal energy has its place and some of that would certainly involve transferable skills. I don't think there is much scope for geothermal in this region but I am no expert on that so would have to research it if I were interested.
The transition has been happening for some time now. Again, I am no expert on capacity and sources but issuing new drilling licences would suggest there is a lack of desire to transition. Why would that be? Why not invest in accelerating the transition (and more rapidly transferring jobs)? |  |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:37 - May 4 with 623 views | tcblue |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:40 - May 4 with 603 views | JackNorthStand |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 13:12 - May 4 by pointofblue |
But this is the point. This is why Reform is gaining ground. Because the usual response to those who, at ground level, are simply trying to protect their livelihoods and those of their children is that they're wrong. That's not the answer. It will only serve to push people away.
As said further on, the better response is, due to carbon emissions we do need to cut down on CO2 BUT we also need to protect the jobs of those who are currently working in that industry, ensuring their skills are transferable to support them via the renewable sector. Not draw up a policy that ignores a sector and hope they just go away.
(Edited because, on re-reading, there were far too many simply's and typing errors plus clunky phrasing) [Post edited 5 May 12:22]
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Nrthsuffolkblue - have a look at this post it is very well put and sums up my thoughts regarding a government scheme to help oil and gas workers transition. For example is an oil and gas worker wanted to work on a wind farm, they couldn’t as different certification is required ( not skills, safety certification ).
You said it is not the governments responsibility ( to help workers they are potentially effectively forced redundancy on ) that is ludicrous. And as this poster says, makes people, even who do not work in the oil and gas sector, feel a certain way. ( think coal miners, steel ).
If this government were to stay in ( which I highly doubt they will at the next election ) you would see many people who are employed within the oil and gas sector made redundant. That would be a direct result of actions by the government. And they have not thought of this or shown any care for it.
One of the reasons that if there were an election tomorrow, I would vote reform. [Post edited 4 May 18:42]
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:41 - May 4 with 603 views | NeedhamChris |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:37 - May 4 by tcblue |
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This is head in the sand, fingers in your ears, lalalala stuff.
Reform are the biggest political threat in a long time, and 677 seats from a previous of 0 is a seismic shift. | |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:46 - May 4 with 599 views | positivity |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:41 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
This is head in the sand, fingers in your ears, lalalala stuff.
Reform are the biggest political threat in a long time, and 677 seats from a previous of 0 is a seismic shift. |
it's worrying for sure, but as a seismic shift it's similar to that when mac allister scored against spurs!
ukip had similar surges; it can't be taken lightly, but it's not a 1933 moment yet | |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:49 - May 4 with 582 views | tcblue |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:41 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
This is head in the sand, fingers in your ears, lalalala stuff.
Reform are the biggest political threat in a long time, and 677 seats from a previous of 0 is a seismic shift. |
Sure.
They'll be gone in four years, though. They've put any monkey into a suit.
Arguably their most seasoned member, Andrea Jenkyns can't wait to remove all the diversity staff in Lincolnshire council.
I mean, there aren't any, but that's not the point, amirite | | | |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:50 - May 4 with 566 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:41 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
This is head in the sand, fingers in your ears, lalalala stuff.
Reform are the biggest political threat in a long time, and 677 seats from a previous of 0 is a seismic shift. |
A position of 29 actually but nevertheless you make a good point.
Approx 1600 council seats contested of which Reform won nearly 700 (mostly replacing Conservatives but still). |  |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 19:03 - May 4 with 551 views | Swansea_Blue |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:49 - May 4 by tcblue |
Sure.
They'll be gone in four years, though. They've put any monkey into a suit.
Arguably their most seasoned member, Andrea Jenkyns can't wait to remove all the diversity staff in Lincolnshire council.
I mean, there aren't any, but that's not the point, amirite |
She’s doing what and what? lol, it doesn’t sound like she’s got any better since she was a useless Tory 
The sad thing is that people will undoubtedly believe here. Given that a lot of these muppets are the most extreme of the Brexit loos, you’d think people would have learnt the lesson that they don’t know what they’re talking about. Sure, they may be a change from the main two parties (or not given they’ve welcomed in quite a few established Tory MPs and councillors) but they’re incompetent. |  |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 19:14 - May 4 with 541 views | tcblue |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 19:03 - May 4 by Swansea_Blue |
She’s doing what and what? lol, it doesn’t sound like she’s got any better since she was a useless Tory
The sad thing is that people will undoubtedly believe here. Given that a lot of these muppets are the most extreme of the Brexit loos, you’d think people would have learnt the lesson that they don’t know what they’re talking about. Sure, they may be a change from the main two parties (or not given they’ve welcomed in quite a few established Tory MPs and councillors) but they’re incompetent. |
They've suspended the first of the new 677 today, too.
Donna Edmunds. It's almost like the Ltd company just recruited any old rent-a-gobs | | | |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 23:34 - May 4 with 476 views | bournemouthblue |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 19:40 - May 2 by vapour_trail |
I believe reform will win the next election. Farage ain’t messing about and labour are playing right into his hands. |
Reform aren't quite as mainstream as Farage will have you think
They won't cut through to the electorate in big enough numbers to win outright, they can certainly be a disruptor and perhaps as a Hard Right Alliance of terror with the Tories, they could make Labour sweat |  |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 16:05 - May 5 with 241 views | Radlett_blue |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 11:57 - May 5 by EdwardStone |
In the Dagenham Council elections in 2006 the BNP got 12 of their finest elected to office
4 years later, the fine citizens of Dagenham re elected exactly zero BNP
A combination of events led to this electoral wipe-out, Labour upped their game and the voters got to see that full strength racism brings nothing to the Council Chamber.
The task of contributing to the discussions was completely beyond them, they literally bought nothing to the table. To call their Leader incoherent would be flattery; he simply spouted tongue-tied racist nonsense at every opportunity
The slight difference here is that ReformLtd actually control several Local Authorities... it will be fascinating and slightly scary to see how they get on.
I predict that their brush with reality won't end well [Post edited 5 May 12:03]
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Reform are far more of a national threat than the BNP ever were. The BNP have picked up a few councillors in the past & their chair Nick Griffin was a MEP from 2009 to 2014, thanks to PR.
While it's probably 3 years to another General Election, Reform could wipe out the Conservative Party. I'm not sure if whether they're a bit rubbish at running local councils will change that. |  |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 16:10 - May 5 with 234 views | Mullet |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 16:05 - May 5 by Radlett_blue |
Reform are far more of a national threat than the BNP ever were. The BNP have picked up a few councillors in the past & their chair Nick Griffin was a MEP from 2009 to 2014, thanks to PR.
While it's probably 3 years to another General Election, Reform could wipe out the Conservative Party. I'm not sure if whether they're a bit rubbish at running local councils will change that. |
That's more to do with the messaging here and in America in the interim. We've had billions rubles and dollars poured into media and political interference.
That, and many fans of Farage are completely hypocritical when holding him to account as a man and a politician. The biggest issue Reform will face in a year or two is infighting. Their coalition of the vicious, ignorant and morally bankrupt will be difficult to control.
We saw that with Lowe et al. |  |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 16:56 - May 5 with 168 views | Whos_blue |
| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:37 - May 4 by tcblue |
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I like this!
676 is a decent return and one to make people sit up and listen, but when you hear one has been suspended already, I'm not so sure it's the seismic shift some would have you believe.
A good start, yes, but a very long way to go to the next GE. |  |
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| for all the people who suggest we shouldn't criticise reform or their voters on 18:23 - May 5 with 129 views | DJR |
This (from the Guardian) is Francis Ryan's take.
"Here is the good news. Evidence consistently shows that the British public is progressive – and becoming more progressive still – in their attitudes on issues such as asylum and immigration, homosexuality, industrial action, and abortion.
If Labour learns the correct lessons from the local elections, it will tell a story about the country that reflects this spirit, and launch a policy agenda that rebuilds hope and trust – from investment in public services, supporting disabled people into jobs rather than cutting their benefits, bold housing pledges and a fully funded child poverty strategy to making the case for safe and humane asylum routes.
The alternative is a Labour government tacking ever further to the right, trying to beat populism by mimicking it. We will all be Farage’s victims then."
And Labour needs to learn the lessons from what has gone on in recent Canada and Australia elections. [Post edited 5 May 18:24]
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