| You are the ref 19:34 - May 10 with 3295 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Corner
Player takes the kick, ball in play.
Ref whistles.
A card for a player from each team.
How do you restart the game?
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| You are the ref on 21:46 - May 10 with 703 views | BarcaBlue |
| You are the ref on 21:39 - May 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Was certainly what Hirst was saying to the ref and would explain the shot. I would like to see it again and wonder why it isn't on the highlights linked in this thread.
If it was a foul, VAR should have seen it and got the ref to look again and award the penalty and a red card shouldn't it? |
It was outside of the box and the view shown on tv showed there was no contact at all anyway. I imagine VAR saw the same and it was cleared up immediately. |  | | |
| You are the ref on 21:47 - May 10 with 699 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| You are the ref on 21:44 - May 10 by Linners |
It's on Alex Griffin's vlog. Looked like he might have been clipped from behind, but not majorly. |
"not majorly". So just enough to make him scuff his shot when one-on-one with the goalkeeper? That much not majorly? Rather like a little tap on the ankle from behind in a tackle? |  |
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| You are the ref on 21:55 - May 10 with 684 views | PhilTWTD |
| You are the ref on 21:35 - May 10 by mellowblue |
From my perch in the West Stand, I was in line with Hirsts shot. It looked like the defender kicked Hirst's kicking boot just as he was shooting. So the shot went wide, weakly. Very clever of the defender but looked like it should have been a penalty to me |
Looked the same to me, clipped his heel as he was shooting, although I think it was outside the area and may have been inadvertent. |  | | |
| You are the ref on 21:56 - May 10 with 677 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| You are the ref on 21:46 - May 10 by Dennyx4 |
If the foul was outside the area, VAR couldn’t get involved. Not sure if Hirst was inside the box or not? |
For a red card offence? | |
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| You are the ref on 21:58 - May 10 with 676 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| You are the ref on 21:55 - May 10 by PhilTWTD |
Looked the same to me, clipped his heel as he was shooting, although I think it was outside the area and may have been inadvertent. |
If he has clipped his heel to foul him outside the area when clean through on goal, that is still a red card offence whether it is deemed an intentional offence or not isn't it? | |
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| You are the ref on 21:58 - May 10 with 688 views | PhilTWTD |
The offence occurring prior to the ball being in play is the issue. However, whether that was the case with the Taylor incident I don't know. | | | |
| You are the ref on 22:08 - May 10 with 651 views | Chris_ITFC |
| You are the ref on 21:58 - May 10 by PhilTWTD |
The offence occurring prior to the ball being in play is the issue. However, whether that was the case with the Taylor incident I don't know. |
I think the Taylor one was booking both players for being a nuisance (i.e. delaying the game)... Norgaard got booked at the same time. He did another double booking of 1 player each side at another corner. So it wasn't a foul / ball in play type scenario.
Weirdly, never seen that before, and he did it twice in 1 game! Odd! |  | | |
| You are the ref on 22:18 - May 10 with 637 views | PhilTWTD |
| You are the ref on 22:08 - May 10 by Chris_ITFC |
I think the Taylor one was booking both players for being a nuisance (i.e. delaying the game)... Norgaard got booked at the same time. He did another double booking of 1 player each side at another corner. So it wasn't a foul / ball in play type scenario.
Weirdly, never seen that before, and he did it twice in 1 game! Odd! |
Yes, he booked Hirst and the player who had shoved Hirst into the goal in the second half. Ref was atrocious at managing the situaiton from the start. | | | |
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| You are the ref on 22:19 - May 10 with 628 views | PhilTWTD |
| You are the ref on 21:58 - May 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If he has clipped his heel to foul him outside the area when clean through on goal, that is still a red card offence whether it is deemed an intentional offence or not isn't it? |
You'd think. Not sure whether VAR even had a look at it. | | | |
| You are the ref on 22:31 - May 10 with 591 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| You are the ref on 22:19 - May 10 by PhilTWTD |
You'd think. Not sure whether VAR even had a look at it. |
NBC Peacock showed the angle from behind in replay, he lost his balance, no contact at all. |  | | |
| You are the ref on 22:39 - May 10 with 571 views | PhilTWTD |
| You are the ref on 22:31 - May 10 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
NBC Peacock showed the angle from behind in replay, he lost his balance, no contact at all. |
I saw the angle from behind and looked to me like the back of his heel was caught as he went to shoot.
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| You are the ref on 22:43 - May 10 with 550 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| You are the ref on 22:39 - May 10 by PhilTWTD |
I saw the angle from behind and looked to me like the back of his heel was caught as he went to shoot.
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Would have to see it again but thought his standing foot went bit before and he lost balance, unless the defender nicked in late and touched his right foot, only saw it right after once. I didn’t think there was a foul there at the time. | | | |
| You are the ref on 22:48 - May 10 with 547 views | PhilTWTD |
| You are the ref on 22:43 - May 10 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Would have to see it again but thought his standing foot went bit before and he lost balance, unless the defender nicked in late and touched his right foot, only saw it right after once. I didn’t think there was a foul there at the time. |
I think the defender stood on the back of his heel, which was how it looked from my angle in real time. Would like to see it again and from other angles, though. | | | |
| You are the ref on 00:00 - May 11 with 486 views | redrickstuhaart |
| You are the ref on 21:46 - May 10 by Dennyx4 |
If the foul was outside the area, VAR couldn’t get involved. Not sure if Hirst was inside the box or not? |
It would have been a potential red, so var could get involved. |  | | |
| You are the ref on 00:18 - May 11 with 470 views | Trequartista |
| You are the ref on 21:35 - May 10 by mellowblue |
From my perch in the West Stand, I was in line with Hirsts shot. It looked like the defender kicked Hirst's kicking boot just as he was shooting. So the shot went wide, weakly. Very clever of the defender but looked like it should have been a penalty to me |
Don't think he touched him, Hirst just lost his balance. You could tell by his reaction, a half-hearted appeal. You'd go ballistic if you'd have been tripped. |  |
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| You are the ref on 00:33 - May 11 with 457 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| You are the ref on 00:18 - May 11 by Trequartista |
Don't think he touched him, Hirst just lost his balance. You could tell by his reaction, a half-hearted appeal. You'd go ballistic if you'd have been tripped. |
Exactly what I saw as well. | | | |
| You are the ref on 07:25 - May 11 with 357 views | goperryrevs |
TownTV commentary said that Hirst may have instigated the contact as he swung back his foot to shoot, and seemed to think a VAR check happened. If so, similar to our disallowed penalty vs Everton at home, which was harsh. I haven't seen it. | | | |
| You are the ref on 07:54 - May 11 with 340 views | Blue_In_Boston |
I was watching the game 'live' with the much maligned Darren Ambrose on co-comms. They cleared up both issues, ref had blown his whistle before ball was in play both times. Luckily for us that he had on the first occasion.
Let's debate problems with our own team, not adjusted errors with officials. | | | |
| You are the ref on 09:08 - May 11 with 282 views | DublinBlue84 |
| You are the ref on 07:54 - May 11 by Blue_In_Boston |
I was watching the game 'live' with the much maligned Darren Ambrose on co-comms. They cleared up both issues, ref had blown his whistle before ball was in play both times. Luckily for us that he had on the first occasion.
Let's debate problems with our own team, not adjusted errors with officials. |
Darren Ambrose needs to check both his hearing and his vision then, because that is not what happened.
The footage I posted in another thread clearly shows the ref blows up and indicates a corner 2-3 seconds after it was taken first time around.
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. by DublinBlue84 10 May 20:27Check 14:53 onwards here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3YAdw7Szs
The ref clearly blows a full two seconds after the corner is taken and then indicates another corner.
It cannot possibly be given as another corner as the ref doesn't blow up for a couple of seconds after the ball has come in, therefore the ball is in play by the time he blows up so it cannot possibly be a retaken corner.
It also cannot be a penalty if the ball is not in play, therefore it cannot go to VAR either if the ball is not in play as VAR cannot intervene unless it is a potential red card offence. The ball does not go out off an Ipswich player, therefore cannot be a corner.
There is no logical way it can end up being another corner based on the above issue and the referee has either made a serious error or does not know the rules of the game. Either way the referee has made a serious error in breach of the rules of the game and the PGMOL should discipline him.
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| You are the ref on 09:21 - May 11 with 266 views | FrankfurtBlue |
| You are the ref on 07:54 - May 11 by Blue_In_Boston |
I was watching the game 'live' with the much maligned Darren Ambrose on co-comms. They cleared up both issues, ref had blown his whistle before ball was in play both times. Luckily for us that he had on the first occasion.
Let's debate problems with our own team, not adjusted errors with officials. |
I think there is room on this forum to discuss both refereeing decisions and our own team's failings. I am not sure what "adjusted" is implying, and I appreciate that on-field refs have a tough job, but there have been so many instances this season where the reffing has clearly been poor, we shouldn't turn a blind eye to it because we have also played badly. |  | | |
| You are the ref on 09:26 - May 11 with 254 views | backwaywhen |
| You are the ref on 09:21 - May 11 by FrankfurtBlue |
I think there is room on this forum to discuss both refereeing decisions and our own team's failings. I am not sure what "adjusted" is implying, and I appreciate that on-field refs have a tough job, but there have been so many instances this season where the reffing has clearly been poor, we shouldn't turn a blind eye to it because we have also played badly. |
We need a different routine at corners , how about trying the Arsenal way , they line up behind each other on the edge of the box , no way can the opposition get to hold our players , then they seem to scatter all over the area when the ball is coming in ….thoughts ? | | | |
| You are the ref on 12:27 - May 11 with 188 views | FrankfurtBlue |
| You are the ref on 09:26 - May 11 by backwaywhen |
We need a different routine at corners , how about trying the Arsenal way , they line up behind each other on the edge of the box , no way can the opposition get to hold our players , then they seem to scatter all over the area when the ball is coming in ….thoughts ? |
I'd prefer not to do anything the "Arsenal way"  | | | |
| You are the ref on 12:56 - May 11 with 172 views | Trequartista |
| You are the ref on 07:25 - May 11 by goperryrevs |
TownTV commentary said that Hirst may have instigated the contact as he swung back his foot to shoot, and seemed to think a VAR check happened. If so, similar to our disallowed penalty vs Everton at home, which was harsh. I haven't seen it. |
Why would he do that when he can have a clear shot on goal? | |
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| You are the ref on 13:02 - May 11 with 167 views | redrickstuhaart |
| You are the ref on 12:56 - May 11 by Trequartista |
Why would he do that when he can have a clear shot on goal? |
Well quite. My initial impression was actually that he got the ball caught up in his feet, but he seemed instantly angry afterwards- though I thought that was more about the hand in the back.
Had he gone down rather than got his shot off, it may have got much closer attention (thoguh probably not given the inherent bias of VAR). Its a sad state of affairs if we have to coach players to fall over rather than getting a shot off, in order to get fair decisions. | | | |
| You are the ref on 13:36 - May 11 with 136 views | Libero |
An embarrassing series of errors and an explanation that doesn’t fully hold water- I think McKenna was very restrained in his description of the situation but I expect the club to be asking serious questions behind the scenes. |  | | |
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