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The ref clearly blows a full two seconds after the corner is taken and then indicates another corner.
It cannot possibly be given as another corner as the ref doesn't blow up for a couple of seconds after the ball has come in, therefore the ball is in play by the time he blows up so it cannot possibly be a retaken corner.
It also cannot be a penalty if the ball is not in play, therefore it cannot go to VAR either if the ball is not in play as VAR cannot intervene unless it is a potential red card offence. The ball does not go out off an Ipswich player, therefore cannot be a corner.
There is no logical way it can end up being another corner based on the above issue and the referee has either made a serious error or does not know the rules of the game. Either way the referee has made a serious error in breach of the rules of the game and the PGMOL should discipline him.
I don't really get the issue here. Poorly reffed, yes, but if the ball's in play then it's a stonewall pen against us. You could argue we got away with one (before they scored anyway).
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 20:58 - May 10 with 2133 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 20:53 - May 10 by gsoly
I don't really get the issue here. Poorly reffed, yes, but if the ball's in play then it's a stonewall pen against us. You could argue we got away with one (before they scored anyway).
The point is that the referee immediately points for another corner. The laws of the game do not allow for that.
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 20:53 - May 10 by gsoly
I don't really get the issue here. Poorly reffed, yes, but if the ball's in play then it's a stonewall pen against us. You could argue we got away with one (before they scored anyway).
Depends if the foul happened before the kick had been taken. As you can not give a penalty for a foul, if the ball is not in play.
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:07 - May 10 with 2041 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:04 - May 10 by Dennyx4
Depends if the foul happened before the kick had been taken. As you can not give a penalty for a foul, if the ball is not in play.
From my mind the foul happened before the corner was taken therefore it cannot be a penalty.
The corner was taken and the referee blew up two seconds after the corner was taken indicating another corner.
VAR for my mind got it right on the no penalty decision, the real screw up was the referee who cannot under the laws of the game, ask for a corner to be retaken when he blows the whistle two seconds after the ball has entered the field of play.
If the referee had blown the whistle because of pushing in the box before the corner was taken and the corner was then taken, then yes the corner can be retaken, but it's clear as day the referee didn't blow the whistle until two seconds after.
The laws of the game suggest it should have been a drop ball and by not doing so PGMOL should discipline him for a serious error in applying the rules of the game that have influenced the outcome of the game.
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:07 - May 10 by DublinBlue84
From my mind the foul happened before the corner was taken therefore it cannot be a penalty.
The corner was taken and the referee blew up two seconds after the corner was taken indicating another corner.
VAR for my mind got it right on the no penalty decision, the real screw up was the referee who cannot under the laws of the game, ask for a corner to be retaken when he blows the whistle two seconds after the ball has entered the field of play.
If the referee had blown the whistle because of pushing in the box before the corner was taken and the corner was then taken, then yes the corner can be retaken, but it's clear as day the referee didn't blow the whistle until two seconds after.
The laws of the game suggest it should have been a drop ball and by not doing so PGMOL should discipline him for a serious error in applying the rules of the game that have influenced the outcome of the game.
[Post edited 10 May 21:09]
Agree, drop ball to the goalkeeper.
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:14 - May 10 with 1976 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:07 - May 10 by DublinBlue84
From my mind the foul happened before the corner was taken therefore it cannot be a penalty.
The corner was taken and the referee blew up two seconds after the corner was taken indicating another corner.
VAR for my mind got it right on the no penalty decision, the real screw up was the referee who cannot under the laws of the game, ask for a corner to be retaken when he blows the whistle two seconds after the ball has entered the field of play.
If the referee had blown the whistle because of pushing in the box before the corner was taken and the corner was then taken, then yes the corner can be retaken, but it's clear as day the referee didn't blow the whistle until two seconds after.
The laws of the game suggest it should have been a drop ball and by not doing so PGMOL should discipline him for a serious error in applying the rules of the game that have influenced the outcome of the game.
[Post edited 10 May 21:09]
Quite right, ten years of hard labour and a written apology!
Or defend the restart and take one of your chances maybe.
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:15 - May 10 with 1960 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:14 - May 10 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
Quite right, ten years of hard labour and a written apology!
Or defend the restart and take one of your chances maybe.
Of course we should have defended it far better, nobody disputes that and in general our set pieces have been dreadful both ends of the pitch, but still, the referee didn't apply the rules correctly.
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:15 - May 10 by DublinBlue84
Of course we should have defended it far better, nobody disputes that and in general our set pieces have been dreadful both ends of the pitch, but still, the referee didn't apply the rules correctly.
They often don’t apply it to exact application of the law unfortunately but in terms of getting upset about something I really don’t think that’s worth too much energy of annoyance. Even if it wasn’t particularly strong officiating.
Pushing and shoving (which could have even been a penalty against us) and he got them to retake it a second or so after it was in play, not really in the top 10 of bad calls this year and focus on what we can control.
They’d be pages on here about a stonewall Pen if the Axel one was against us, too much focus on the ref today rather than the real reason of not getting a result, which isn’t new around here.
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:46 - May 10 with 1780 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:27 - May 10 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
They often don’t apply it to exact application of the law unfortunately but in terms of getting upset about something I really don’t think that’s worth too much energy of annoyance. Even if it wasn’t particularly strong officiating.
Pushing and shoving (which could have even been a penalty against us) and he got them to retake it a second or so after it was in play, not really in the top 10 of bad calls this year and focus on what we can control.
They’d be pages on here about a stonewall Pen if the Axel one was against us, too much focus on the ref today rather than the real reason of not getting a result, which isn’t new around here.
Is it really this hard for you to admit being wrong? Keep shifting those goalposts.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:46 - May 10 by BanksterDebtSlave
Is it really this hard for you to admit being wrong? Keep shifting those goalposts.
Wrong about having an opinion that some Town fans spend too much time/energy using officiating as an excuse for our results? The outcry over this afternoon is over the top IMO but unfortunately I think on a day where we didn’t threaten until the last ten minutes some have made it the story of the game.
Luckily at this stage it doesn’t really matter either way and we can all at least look forward to no VAR but still more terrible calls next year.
[Post edited 10 May 23:00]
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 23:21 - May 10 with 1335 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 22:59 - May 10 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
Wrong about having an opinion that some Town fans spend too much time/energy using officiating as an excuse for our results? The outcry over this afternoon is over the top IMO but unfortunately I think on a day where we didn’t threaten until the last ten minutes some have made it the story of the game.
Luckily at this stage it doesn’t really matter either way and we can all at least look forward to no VAR but still more terrible calls next year.
[Post edited 10 May 23:00]
It's terrible officiating full stop. I've not seen the penalty appeal against Axel but they reviewed it and it wasn't given, potentially a subjective decision. The fact that the corner was allowed to be retaken is fundamentally wrong. The fact he stopped the game is wrong too. As the ball comes in he should have either blown for a penalty or let the game continue until a stoppage so VAR can check. He can't give a penalty if the ball isn't in play, so at the point it goes to VAR and it's determined it's not a penalty, it should be a drop ball.
We were decent today and that terrible piece of officiating split the teams, there was nothing else in the game.
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 23:42 - May 10 with 1257 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 23:21 - May 10 by Simonds92
It's terrible officiating full stop. I've not seen the penalty appeal against Axel but they reviewed it and it wasn't given, potentially a subjective decision. The fact that the corner was allowed to be retaken is fundamentally wrong. The fact he stopped the game is wrong too. As the ball comes in he should have either blown for a penalty or let the game continue until a stoppage so VAR can check. He can't give a penalty if the ball isn't in play, so at the point it goes to VAR and it's determined it's not a penalty, it should be a drop ball.
We were decent today and that terrible piece of officiating split the teams, there was nothing else in the game.
Loser talk IMO mate I’m afraid. Decision’s like that often go against sides, it was a corner that was ordered to be retaken when the ball was in the air (which by the way the Taylor tussling with matey starts before). You see refs bring back dead ball situations all the time with quickly taken free kicks etc if they are not ready, so this is all a reach! How many times have you seen drop ball giving in that situation?!
Anyway, corners awarded against teams when it should be a goal kick or what not all the time. Didn’t defend it, didn’t take our chances late. Frustrating as Brentford were there to be got at as well, not sure why we didn’t give it more of a go, giving the circumstances really.
I was pretty outraged earlier in the season, with the likes of Leicester etc at home. Today, just blah really, I think a lot of if is out of frustration, 8 in a row at home now. I get it, losing sucks and probably stings a lot more in person, we were ok but are understandably just not good enough at this level yet.
Don’t think I’ve have been particularly excited about a 0-0 at home so not going to get all upset one way or another tbh.
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 07:52 - May 11 with 832 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 22:59 - May 10 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
Wrong about having an opinion that some Town fans spend too much time/energy using officiating as an excuse for our results? The outcry over this afternoon is over the top IMO but unfortunately I think on a day where we didn’t threaten until the last ten minutes some have made it the story of the game.
Luckily at this stage it doesn’t really matter either way and we can all at least look forward to no VAR but still more terrible calls next year.
[Post edited 10 May 23:00]
Some Town fans spend too much time/energy backing the officials so they can lay some more blame on the team.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 08:57 - May 11 with 707 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 21:07 - May 10 by DublinBlue84
From my mind the foul happened before the corner was taken therefore it cannot be a penalty.
The corner was taken and the referee blew up two seconds after the corner was taken indicating another corner.
VAR for my mind got it right on the no penalty decision, the real screw up was the referee who cannot under the laws of the game, ask for a corner to be retaken when he blows the whistle two seconds after the ball has entered the field of play.
If the referee had blown the whistle because of pushing in the box before the corner was taken and the corner was then taken, then yes the corner can be retaken, but it's clear as day the referee didn't blow the whistle until two seconds after.
The laws of the game suggest it should have been a drop ball and by not doing so PGMOL should discipline him for a serious error in applying the rules of the game that have influenced the outcome of the game.
[Post edited 10 May 21:09]
I was sitting in the west stand in line with the penalty spot. This is correct - in LoTG you can retake a corner for the ball being in the wrong place not because you bottle giving a foul when the ball is in flight. He got two of them wrong, showed his weakness and in doing so set the level for the rest of the game and made the game changing decision. As a referee the thing you are told not to do is to create the game changing moment - remember that a player getting himself sent off is not the ref creating the decision but applying the laws, here he got the decision wrong in law twice because he was too scared to give what should have been. When I referee (at a much lower level!!) I will deal with this, if it looks like it will be a problem, by stopping the game before the corner is taken and pointing at the ball on the corner spot and saying “the ball is over there - if you are facing elsewhere and move to stop a player you cannot be positioning to play the ball and I will give the foul”.
You hear the pundits say “he is watching the ball” all the time to defend an “accidental” foul - not valid in law but you know what they mean, someone watching the flight of the ball and backing into someone’s head with theirs. Why have we got to a point with the penalty area messing around where teams like Arsenal are playing American Football linebacks and getting away with it? Weak refereeing not wanting to give penalties against the “big” teams would seem to be the obvious answer. They need to grow a spine and give them as it’s got way out of hand.
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 09:40 - May 11 with 605 views
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 23:21 - May 10 by Simonds92
It's terrible officiating full stop. I've not seen the penalty appeal against Axel but they reviewed it and it wasn't given, potentially a subjective decision. The fact that the corner was allowed to be retaken is fundamentally wrong. The fact he stopped the game is wrong too. As the ball comes in he should have either blown for a penalty or let the game continue until a stoppage so VAR can check. He can't give a penalty if the ball isn't in play, so at the point it goes to VAR and it's determined it's not a penalty, it should be a drop ball.
We were decent today and that terrible piece of officiating split the teams, there was nothing else in the game.
The Axel rugby tackle was 100% a penalty. VAR decided it was "mutual holding".
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Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 09:46 - May 11 with 586 views
I wasn’t at the game yesterday so maybe I’m a bit detached from this, but how do so many people have the energy to moan about this? It literally does not matter.
For what it’s worth, watching at home I thought the referee was fairly even in his ‘bias’ - got some right and some wrong for both teams.
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 20:50 - May 10 by textbackup
With all that being said, should we have let a small player get his head on the ball to score?
Our players ( from watching it 20 feet infringement of me) where having a problem getting off the floor from being grappled to the ground, of physically being g hel in a wrestling body check to move to challenge for the ball.
Cant believe Brentford players are coached in this in specific manual handling training sessions, surely not?!?
Clear footage that shows the ball was in play for two seconds before he blew up. on 10:06 - May 11 by ArnieM
Our players ( from watching it 20 feet infringement of me) where having a problem getting off the floor from being grappled to the ground, of physically being g hel in a wrestling body check to move to challenge for the ball.
Cant believe Brentford players are coached in this in specific manual handling training sessions, surely not?!?
I think it was Morsy closest to the attacker who scored with the header. It was at the near post where there was no grappling and he got a free header. It was just poor defending, nothing to do with grappling.
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