| Marco Silva 03:50 - Jun 1 with 4807 views | itfc1108 |
Favourite for Juventus job 👀.
I think we need Fulham, Brentford and Bournemouth to keep their managers. |  | | |  |
| Marco Silva on 10:55 - Jun 1 with 1213 views | J2BLUE |
I think we're far more likely to lose him mid season than in the summer. His stock is still high but you would assume his new contract has some sort of release clause and a few million more for a Prem side is nothing. There will be plenty keeping an eye on him but I would be surprised if he's taken this summer. |  |
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| Marco Silva on 10:57 - Jun 1 with 1203 views | StokieBlue |
| Marco Silva on 10:33 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
When you’ve picked up no points at home since the turn of the year and won 1 league game at home all season that’s not a good look.
I think you’re underestimating the momentum we had going into that Championship season and confidence the squad had from consistently winning games. The club was doing lots of good things and the wind was in our sails. Think it will be similar for Birmingham City this season. We certainly had a decent amount of players that had a pedigree better than league one, whether that suits your narrative or not, that’s my opinion. [Post edited 1 Jun 10:37]
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"When you’ve picked up no points at home since the turn of the year and won 1 league game at home all season that’s not a good look."
You said this was scarring though but the evidence from the Champ is that other teams with very similar returns for the season have found the Championship a big step down and done very well.
We will have to wait and see.
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| Marco Silva on 10:58 - Jun 1 with 1194 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Marco Silva on 09:57 - Jun 1 by Horsham |
Not sure he could have proved his championship credentials much more than he did to be honest.
There’s an argument also that he’ll be better qualified after a season in the premier league. Could certainly see that some premier league teams could be very interested should they have a vacancy.
As much as we’d like it to be different I think there will be speculation and links in the not too distant future. |
I think his style of play was good enough for success in Div. 1 and to a lesser extent in the Championship but it fell apart with teams that pressed us. Leeds destroyed us in the Championship and most of the Premiership teams did the same. We just don't have good enough players to play his style at the higher levels. There has been no evidence of a plan B which be a good indication of management maturity. |  | | |
| Marco Silva on 11:10 - Jun 1 with 1154 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 10:46 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
People have said we should be challenging for promotion. Nobody has said it'll be a walk in the park. Why do people make this stuff up? Last season was a step too far for the club, we had to do loads of work both on and off the pitch to get Prem ready and despite our transfer business we had the lowest value squad and lowest wage bill. You think he's been a massive failure this season, clearly, but others won't see it that way. |
Let’s see, I’m not going to engage with you back and forth, I’ve said what I need to say. However, if no one comes in for him over the summer then I’m safe to assume I was in the right. The next few months should be very interesting viewing. | |
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| Marco Silva on 12:11 - Jun 1 with 1107 views | ghostofescobar |
| Marco Silva on 05:01 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
Why? I’m not sure those clubs will be too interested in McKenna the way we finished the season. KM’s stock was higher last summer, he’s got things to prove after a tepid end to our campaign in the EPL. Those clubs you mentioned will have bigger managerial targets than KM in my opinion. |
Don’t agree with much of this. To Joe Public, that would be the prevailing view. But within the world of elite football, he is very highly regarded. Those within the game know last season was not predominantly about him, but predominantly about where we came from and the giant, virtually impossible, leap we had to make. No doubt he’s taken a bit of a hit, so probably club owners will be nervous of their fans reaction in appointing a relegated manager. I would not be at all surprised if he is not our manager come the start of the season. Hope he stays though. He’s an amazing talent. |  |
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| Marco Silva on 12:22 - Jun 1 with 1090 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 12:11 - Jun 1 by ghostofescobar |
Don’t agree with much of this. To Joe Public, that would be the prevailing view. But within the world of elite football, he is very highly regarded. Those within the game know last season was not predominantly about him, but predominantly about where we came from and the giant, virtually impossible, leap we had to make. No doubt he’s taken a bit of a hit, so probably club owners will be nervous of their fans reaction in appointing a relegated manager. I would not be at all surprised if he is not our manager come the start of the season. Hope he stays though. He’s an amazing talent. |
That’s your opinion and I’ve given mine, but I never said that he’s not talented, he simply needs to repair his reputation. This will be where the hard work starts for him. Regardless of who you are, you’d be having doubts especially how last season unfolded for us. | |
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| Marco Silva on 12:38 - Jun 1 with 1067 views | Herbivore |
| Marco Silva on 10:58 - Jun 1 by Eireannach_gorm |
I think his style of play was good enough for success in Div. 1 and to a lesser extent in the Championship but it fell apart with teams that pressed us. Leeds destroyed us in the Championship and most of the Premiership teams did the same. We just don't have good enough players to play his style at the higher levels. There has been no evidence of a plan B which be a good indication of management maturity. |
I think it's a bit revisionist to say his style was good enough for the Championship "to a lesser extent". We accrued 96 points in the Championship and aside from that one game away at Leeds, nobody properly blew us away. We've also not tried to play the exact same way each season, we adapted and became less possession focused in the Championship and have done the same again this season. |  |
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| Marco Silva on 06:29 - Jun 2 with 884 views | Olcol |
| Marco Silva on 10:37 - Jun 1 by darkhorse28 |
Isn’t the manager you just described, Rob Edwards. Young, ambitious, talented, one of the best in the EFL.
He’s new out of work and back to back relegations didn’t live up to the billing.
You can be a top top manager in the EFL and never be even close to the level required for the EPL, which is world class, too 50 in the world, to even have a chance of success.
Also, Rob spent £24 million to finish with more points than us, we spent £160 million in arguably a slightly weaker season. I’m not sure any owner will be looking at any of that and putting KM on any list in short term. I’m sure longer term, he’ll be on everyone’s radar again if he proves the doubters wrong.
But all the evidence is, he’s not just a little bit short at this level, he’s massively short. Not staying up is fine, maybe an impossible task, but doing it whilst spending so much money, and not spending it well. If there’s one thing owners like less than relegation it’s relegation with £160 million worth of liabilities, a large amount of which might be lfutite liabilities with championship revenue.
I’m not surprised you have blind devotion to KM, back to back promotions warrant that, he’s been fantastic in the EFL, clearly at that level he’s a huge prospect and talent.
But if we don’t want to be at that level, then he might not be the answer. Time will tell, but Lambert, Mick, Keane, Jewell, that’s just at Ipswich…., in football it’s normal to be successful in the EFL and not good enough for the step up.
Time will tell. I hope you’re right and he proves the doubters wrong and we bounce back, there’s certainly a chance, I genuinely hope you’re 100% right.
I don’t see it myself. You don’t spend that amount of money so badly and compete with those clubs, and it’s instructive of serious lack of elite decision making at the club. That’s just my opinion, and I hope I’m wrong.
One thing that fascinates me, is Ashton and KM are professionals. They would leave us in about 3 seconds. KM actually agreed terms with Brighton, that’s why the owners flew in, made him one of the best paid managers in Europe, and gave him a £160 million war chest.
In that context, when he showed very little loyalty, other than to leverage everything he wanted (which is a huge financial liability for us…, and not a great legacy as things stand) I’m suprised there’s such a blind devotion.
He gave me the best season in maybe 22 years, he deserves nothing but patience, support, and respect for that alone.
But it’s professional support…, as things stand, Brighton dodged a bullet - an expensive one.
That’s as measurably true as much as the promotion year at sadly what is a low level relative to the EPL.
We just won one league game all season, set two club records for worst team ever (relative to our peers) and they’ve got worse the longer KM has coached the group.
If there’s an owner of a club in the best league in the world, thinks that’s his solution, I’d love to know what he thinks the problem is.
If any of them think KM will be world class (and he might) they wait a couple of years to find out. They don’t need to take that risk.
They can all go appoint a Perera like Wolves, a manager who’s won league titles all over the world…, that’s the level they are at.
KM - he needs to prove his media over hype, is different to that of Rob Edwards. At the minute, in the toughest league in the world, Edwards did more, with £120 million less spent. And Luton had a similar value squad to us on promotion too, so it’s a fair comparison.
I’m has been a rabbit caught in the headlights, he’s had no answers at all.
Big summer for him. Let’s see. I hope you’re right…, my football IQ says probably not. |
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| Marco Silva on 07:40 - Jun 2 with 830 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Marco Silva on 08:18 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
His stock may have gone down with some of our fans but he's still a very highly regarded manager in the game, and rightly so. This season was a step too far but what he's achieved over his three and a half years here has rightly earned him a reputation as one of the brightest young managers in the English game. I wouldn't be so blase about interest from mid level Prem sides looking for a new manager. |
He may have achieved huge success at League 1 and Championship level, just as Ten Haag did in the Dutch league. At the moment the jury is out on both of them regarding Premier League quality. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 09:25 - Jun 2 with 744 views | Jrm_72 |
| Marco Silva on 10:55 - Jun 1 by J2BLUE |
I think we're far more likely to lose him mid season than in the summer. His stock is still high but you would assume his new contract has some sort of release clause and a few million more for a Prem side is nothing. There will be plenty keeping an eye on him but I would be surprised if he's taken this summer. |
I think the new contract he signed last summer could be more key than we think.
Regardless of where we think KMc's stock is as a manager now vs last summer, we can safely assume that he is now more expensive to get than he was pre-Brighton/Palace/Chelsea/Man Utd interest.
That presents more of a risk, its more of a 'punt' if you will. That's not a comment on him as a manager, simply the economics of it; the bigger the investment, the bigger the pressure that it's 'right'.
And I know these clubs can afford it, but it's still not nothing. If it doesn't work out and he's gone in three months, that's money lost that could've gone on a semi-decent squad player or up and comer. Fans remember those kind of things. There is still negativity around what it cost Man Utd to change Ten Hag for Amourim, and I'd suggest the latter currently has more pedigree than KmC, yet the figures involved could potentially be similar.
Another layer to an interesting summer ahead anyway. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 09:55 - Jun 2 with 682 views | soupytwist |
When was the last time an established EPL club chose to fill a managerial vacancy with someone managing a club in the Championship?
Clearly, it nearly happened last summer (although technically at that point we were no longer a Championship club) but didn't in the end. Last one I can think of is Graham Potter moving from Swansea to Brighton at the end of the 2018-19 season. |  | | |
| Marco Silva on 10:07 - Jun 2 with 657 views | JimmyJazz |
| Marco Silva on 09:55 - Jun 2 by soupytwist |
When was the last time an established EPL club chose to fill a managerial vacancy with someone managing a club in the Championship?
Clearly, it nearly happened last summer (although technically at that point we were no longer a Championship club) but didn't in the end. Last one I can think of is Graham Potter moving from Swansea to Brighton at the end of the 2018-19 season. |
Maresca? And he did a pretty good job last season |  |
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| Marco Silva on 11:08 - Jun 2 with 591 views | soupytwist |
| Marco Silva on 10:07 - Jun 2 by JimmyJazz |
Maresca? And he did a pretty good job last season |
Oh yes, forgot him. He's been sprinkled with the magic Guardiola dust as well as winning the Championship hasn't he?
Arteta got the Arsenal job partly for the same reason. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 11:42 - Jun 2 with 549 views | Chrisd |
| Marco Silva on 09:25 - Jun 2 by Jrm_72 |
I think the new contract he signed last summer could be more key than we think.
Regardless of where we think KMc's stock is as a manager now vs last summer, we can safely assume that he is now more expensive to get than he was pre-Brighton/Palace/Chelsea/Man Utd interest.
That presents more of a risk, its more of a 'punt' if you will. That's not a comment on him as a manager, simply the economics of it; the bigger the investment, the bigger the pressure that it's 'right'.
And I know these clubs can afford it, but it's still not nothing. If it doesn't work out and he's gone in three months, that's money lost that could've gone on a semi-decent squad player or up and comer. Fans remember those kind of things. There is still negativity around what it cost Man Utd to change Ten Hag for Amourim, and I'd suggest the latter currently has more pedigree than KmC, yet the figures involved could potentially be similar.
Another layer to an interesting summer ahead anyway. |
Good points. There’s little doubt Ruben Amorim has far more managerial pedigree than KM. A top player in his own right before retirement and been a manager since 2018. Still strongly believe KM has an important season ahead of him, even though the blue tinted specs brigade will back him to the hilt, but to me it doesn’t matter what he’s done previously it’s next season that counts now. For the first time, since he’s been here some are beginning to question him and his methods. | |
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| Marco Silva on 13:32 - Jun 3 with 335 views | darkhorse28 |
| Marco Silva on 10:48 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
I'm not reading all that tosh, but our spend is now £160m? It really does go up £10m every time you post this nonsense. |
You didn’t read it, but do know all the details.
Our spending is a matter of public record. It wasn’t my opinion.
I’d avoid the Luton analogy, if I’d blindly emotionally invested in a manager and CEO too.
KM is very young, maybe he’ll reward your cult like devotion, it’s possible, talented and hard working.
But those that say he spent generational wealth badly, and he agreed to join Brighton, they have the facts and evidence of an entire season on their side.
Football is full of opinions, but league tables and club records, they don’t lie…, your tribal needs…, they do.
Reductive, tribal, binary, you seem to struggle to have two competing ideas in your mind at once.
That KM could be exceptional in the EFL, and nowhere close to EPL level, it blows your mind doesn’t it.
The evidence of the worst entire season in the clubs history, that must prick your tribal nonsense, daily.
Not the worst team or manager. But the worst season, worst home record, invest spend in Europe.
None of those are anyone’s opinion. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 13:41 - Jun 3 with 313 views | darkhorse28 |
| Marco Silva on 12:38 - Jun 1 by Herbivore |
I think it's a bit revisionist to say his style was good enough for the Championship "to a lesser extent". We accrued 96 points in the Championship and aside from that one game away at Leeds, nobody properly blew us away. We've also not tried to play the exact same way each season, we adapted and became less possession focused in the Championship and have done the same again this season. |
Nobody blew us away is true, Leeds (twice) but nobody else.
But how many teams did we blow away?
Every game I saw (most) we got the right side of very fine margins, because we had huge belief in the group.
Very fine margins, QPR away inside of the post, Rotherham at home second best for 65 minutes.
There was the same theme as this season…, fine margins matter a huge amount at this level.
I’ve never seen us enjoy so much, with those margins, in a single season, with late goals etc
We deserved that, with hard work and belief, but we also need to own the lack of talent ID, coaching and tactics when we are the wrong side of those margins.
Maybe when you’re a bit older and watch more football, you’ll understand the nuance a bit better Sonny Jim. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 13:46 - Jun 3 with 294 views | darkhorse28 |
| Marco Silva on 06:29 - Jun 2 by Olcol |
You must be a budgie. |
Because facts and evidence are more instructive than tribal emotion?
Not sure that’s how being a budgie works.
Tell me which player we have that will ever play in the EPL and be established.
We spent £160 million gross.
We should have 4 or 5 with that potential…, Hutchinson probably will, nobody else is even close, lots of them won’t ever kick a ball again at that level:
One home league win, worst season in our history (relative to our completion) would do that.
It’s funny. I’d say your complete lack of scrutiny, accountability, standards or aspiration to be the best version of the club we could be, make you a budgie.
Every inch their wet dream.
A completely EFL mentality and mindset.
No doubt you were with McKenna describing Forest Green as ‘a really great team’
No wonder our players don’t believe they can compete.., we have a culture of being a soft touch. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 13:57 - Jun 3 with 262 views | darkhorse28 |
| Marco Silva on 11:42 - Jun 2 by Chrisd |
Good points. There’s little doubt Ruben Amorim has far more managerial pedigree than KM. A top player in his own right before retirement and been a manager since 2018. Still strongly believe KM has an important season ahead of him, even though the blue tinted specs brigade will back him to the hilt, but to me it doesn’t matter what he’s done previously it’s next season that counts now. For the first time, since he’s been here some are beginning to question him and his methods. |
This is the first time in his career he’s faced these challenges.
Talent ID. He still owes PC a beer for Chaplin and Morsy. Tactically, what worked in the EFL a consistent group and set of tactics, failed when he changed the group and spent a significant sum.
He’s very very young in management terms though.
It will make him or break him.
I’m sure many will cite Rib Edwards, who achieved more with less, but he’s his own man, and could come back far stronger. The stubbornness is a new one though, and he seems to struggle to process he’s not at the level he believed he was.
He clearly didn’t promise the owners a relegation fight to secure his contract, and a £150 million squad investment.
He’ll grow, and learn, or he’ll never manage at that level again…, both possible.
I just wish we’d get some experienced support above him with global scouting experience, because that’s a defining weakness in my opinion.
I don’t think he can reach his potential without that piece of the jigsaw.
Time will tell. As always.
The blue tinted mob will do what they did with Jewell, Keane, Evans, Lambert, Mick, etc and teaches their opinions after the fact.
All those managers had huge success in the EFL, and limited in the EPL.
Many actually did far better with fewer resources in the EPL than KM.
Jewell at Bradford etc.
KM deserves patience and support, but it can’t be cult like, and limitless if we have ambitions for the EPL. | | | |
| Marco Silva on 14:42 - Jun 3 with 220 views | JimmyJazz |
| Marco Silva on 13:57 - Jun 3 by darkhorse28 |
This is the first time in his career he’s faced these challenges.
Talent ID. He still owes PC a beer for Chaplin and Morsy. Tactically, what worked in the EFL a consistent group and set of tactics, failed when he changed the group and spent a significant sum.
He’s very very young in management terms though.
It will make him or break him.
I’m sure many will cite Rib Edwards, who achieved more with less, but he’s his own man, and could come back far stronger. The stubbornness is a new one though, and he seems to struggle to process he’s not at the level he believed he was.
He clearly didn’t promise the owners a relegation fight to secure his contract, and a £150 million squad investment.
He’ll grow, and learn, or he’ll never manage at that level again…, both possible.
I just wish we’d get some experienced support above him with global scouting experience, because that’s a defining weakness in my opinion.
I don’t think he can reach his potential without that piece of the jigsaw.
Time will tell. As always.
The blue tinted mob will do what they did with Jewell, Keane, Evans, Lambert, Mick, etc and teaches their opinions after the fact.
All those managers had huge success in the EFL, and limited in the EPL.
Many actually did far better with fewer resources in the EPL than KM.
Jewell at Bradford etc.
KM deserves patience and support, but it can’t be cult like, and limitless if we have ambitions for the EPL. |
I seem to have erased the time that Evans was our manager from my memory - probably a good thing | |
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| Marco Silva on 14:45 - Jun 3 with 214 views | Herbivore |
| Marco Silva on 13:41 - Jun 3 by darkhorse28 |
Nobody blew us away is true, Leeds (twice) but nobody else.
But how many teams did we blow away?
Every game I saw (most) we got the right side of very fine margins, because we had huge belief in the group.
Very fine margins, QPR away inside of the post, Rotherham at home second best for 65 minutes.
There was the same theme as this season…, fine margins matter a huge amount at this level.
I’ve never seen us enjoy so much, with those margins, in a single season, with late goals etc
We deserved that, with hard work and belief, but we also need to own the lack of talent ID, coaching and tactics when we are the wrong side of those margins.
Maybe when you’re a bit older and watch more football, you’ll understand the nuance a bit better Sonny Jim. |
Obvious troll is obvious. | |
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| Marco Silva on 14:47 - Jun 3 with 211 views | vapour_trail |
| Marco Silva on 10:27 - Jun 1 by StokieBlue |
Was the squad largely better than the others at that level? It certainly wasn't better than Leeds or Saints whom we finished above and you could argue some other big clubs had better squads (Sunderland etc). That was why it was a surprise we did so well.
I think there is a bit of rewriting of the narrative going on here.
I do understand this season has been hard but in reality if we had managed to stay up it would have been an incredibly performance. Going down with the other 2 promoted teams isn't a shameful or embarrassing outcome.
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Our league performances since the turn of the year does border on embarrassing actually.
At home we’ve played nine, lost nine, scored six, conceded 28.
That isn’t getting on a downer against KM, it’s a tough old league. I do agree that the clubs listed might have more doubts about him than they might have had last summer however, given that run. |  |
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| Marco Silva on 14:55 - Jun 3 with 187 views | Horsham |
| Marco Silva on 13:32 - Jun 3 by darkhorse28 |
You didn’t read it, but do know all the details.
Our spending is a matter of public record. It wasn’t my opinion.
I’d avoid the Luton analogy, if I’d blindly emotionally invested in a manager and CEO too.
KM is very young, maybe he’ll reward your cult like devotion, it’s possible, talented and hard working.
But those that say he spent generational wealth badly, and he agreed to join Brighton, they have the facts and evidence of an entire season on their side.
Football is full of opinions, but league tables and club records, they don’t lie…, your tribal needs…, they do.
Reductive, tribal, binary, you seem to struggle to have two competing ideas in your mind at once.
That KM could be exceptional in the EFL, and nowhere close to EPL level, it blows your mind doesn’t it.
The evidence of the worst entire season in the clubs history, that must prick your tribal nonsense, daily.
Not the worst team or manager. But the worst season, worst home record, invest spend in Europe.
None of those are anyone’s opinion. |
The spending isn’t a matter of public record. |  | | |
| Marco Silva on 15:29 - Jun 3 with 148 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Marco Silva on 10:19 - Jun 1 by Chrisd |
Not really a wild take. He’s had two successful campaigns and last season was a step too far. What if things don’t start off too well next season? Let’s be fair, that could also happen even though a lot of our fans are suggesting it should be a walk in the park and I’ve read those comments before we suggest no one has ever said that. KM probably for the first time since he’s been here is under a bit of pressure to deliver. |
You're pontificating on something that hasn't happened. |  |
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| Marco Silva on 15:57 - Jun 3 with 120 views | darkhorse28 |
| Marco Silva on 14:55 - Jun 3 by Horsham |
The spending isn’t a matter of public record. |
The initial fees mostly are, only the add one are conjecture, I guess some will have already been triggered and many won’t ever be triggered.
Phil published the I initial fees, and he’s better informed than most.
Also pulling the Delap revenue through 24/25 paints an entire picture of where we are with PSR.
If we had a low value wage bill, and squad, and were well within PSR, wouldn’t we have that revenue through 25/26?
Extra revenue for the promotion push, plus additional revenue for a year kinder on our PSR/FFP.
And if we don’t get promoted, circa £12 million in the championship is significant revenue.
We can get a pretty close picture from what we do actually know. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:03 - Jun 3 with 106 views | darkhorse28 |
| Marco Silva on 14:45 - Jun 3 by Herbivore |
Obvious troll is obvious. |
Low IQ, huge emotional conviction. You don’t need evidence. Your gut feeling is more important.
Are you Jeremy Corbyn? [Post edited 3 Jun 16:08]
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