| Well, I’m stumped 11:24 - Jun 19 with 3910 views | textbackup |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 11:54 - Jun 19 with 2741 views | J2BLUE |
As much as this is very frustrating we have kind of caused this by refusing to take Shamima Begum. |  |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 12:44 - Jun 19 with 2491 views | textbackup |
| Well, I’m stumped on 11:54 - Jun 19 by J2BLUE |
As much as this is very frustrating we have kind of caused this by refusing to take Shamima Begum. |
Might just be me…
I’m struggling to see how the two are related? | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 12:47 - Jun 19 with 2466 views | USA |
Drop them out at sea. Problem solved. |  |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 12:52 - Jun 19 with 2401 views | Herbivore |
| Well, I’m stumped on 12:44 - Jun 19 by textbackup |
Might just be me…
I’m struggling to see how the two are related? |
One is an example of a country refusing to take back one of its citizens who have committed criminal acts, the other is an example of a country refusing to take back one of its citizens who have (allegedly) committed criminal acts. |  |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 12:59 - Jun 19 with 2340 views | baxterbasics |
| Well, I’m stumped on 12:47 - Jun 19 by USA |
Drop them out at sea. Problem solved. |
Works for me. Plane doesn't even have to land. I'd even let them have a lifejacket to give them a fighting chance. |  |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 13:39 - Jun 19 with 2128 views | J2BLUE |
| Well, I’m stumped on 12:59 - Jun 19 by baxterbasics |
Works for me. Plane doesn't even have to land. I'd even let them have a lifejacket to give them a fighting chance. |
Life jacket? You soft liberal lefie scumbag. | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 14:09 - Jun 19 with 1986 views | textbackup |
| Well, I’m stumped on 12:52 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
One is an example of a country refusing to take back one of its citizens who have committed criminal acts, the other is an example of a country refusing to take back one of its citizens who have (allegedly) committed criminal acts. |
Which set have allegedly commited the crimes? | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 14:10 - Jun 19 with 1989 views | itfcjoe |
| Well, I’m stumped on 11:54 - Jun 19 by J2BLUE |
As much as this is very frustrating we have kind of caused this by refusing to take Shamima Begum. |
How can someone just rip up their passport to lose their nationality though? That's not ok or normal surely.
If I go on holiday and rip up my passport I don't become stateless |  |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 14:16 - Jun 19 with 1913 views | DanTheMan |
| Well, I’m stumped on 14:09 - Jun 19 by textbackup |
Which set have allegedly commited the crimes? |
Guessing Begum, she's never actually had to face a trial.
Honestly, this sounds like it's Pakistan playing silly b*ggers because they want something from us. |  |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 14:29 - Jun 19 with 1836 views | J2BLUE |
| Well, I’m stumped on 14:10 - Jun 19 by itfcjoe |
How can someone just rip up their passport to lose their nationality though? That's not ok or normal surely.
If I go on holiday and rip up my passport I don't become stateless |
I agree, it shouldn't be happening but this is the kind of thing we open ourselves up to. | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 14:56 - Jun 19 with 1715 views | EuanTown |
Don't we have another country who are happy to accept them or did labour stop the export of people there. |  | | |
| Well, I’m stumped on 15:05 - Jun 19 with 1680 views | bsw72 |
| Well, I’m stumped on 14:10 - Jun 19 by itfcjoe |
How can someone just rip up their passport to lose their nationality though? That's not ok or normal surely.
If I go on holiday and rip up my passport I don't become stateless |
That's not what happened. She made a decision join the Islamic State in Syria. After the fall of ISIS, she was found in a refugee camp in 2019 and wanted to return to the UK.
The UK government revoked her citizenship in February 2019, citing national security concerns. The decision was based on the premise that she was eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship through her parents, even though she had never been to Bangladesh.
It was the gvmt revocation which effectively rendered her stateless, as she could not return to the UK and there was no guarantee that Bangladesh would accept her.
Ripping up a passport may indicate a desire to renounce citizenship or may be an act of protest, but it does not legally change a person's citizenship status. The legal process for renouncing citizenship typically involves formal procedures that must be followed according to the laws of the country in question.
I would suggest the Daily Fail is over-simplifying a complex legal case to suit their readership/agenda. [Post edited 19 Jun 15:12]
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| Well, I’m stumped on 15:07 - Jun 19 with 1667 views | Herbivore |
| Well, I’m stumped on 14:09 - Jun 19 by textbackup |
Which set have allegedly commited the crimes? |
Well, given we wouldn't let Shemima Begum back into the UK she's never actually been convicted of anything. | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 15:32 - Jun 19 with 1532 views | MattinLondon |
| Well, I’m stumped on 15:07 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
Well, given we wouldn't let Shemima Begum back into the UK she's never actually been convicted of anything. |
Let’s be honest, the entire duel nationality then was total bollox. If she was white but with the same circumstances she would have revived a lot more sympathy. |  | | |
| Well, I’m stumped on 15:50 - Jun 19 with 1434 views | Herbivore |
| Well, I’m stumped on 14:56 - Jun 19 by EuanTown |
Don't we have another country who are happy to accept them or did labour stop the export of people there. |
If you're referring to Rwanda, the deal was to take a very small number of uncomplicated asylum seekers in exchange for a massive amount of money. It wasn't for them to take criminals that we're seeking to deport. [Post edited 19 Jun 16:16]
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| Well, I’m stumped on 15:52 - Jun 19 with 1417 views | itfcjoe |
| Well, I’m stumped on 15:05 - Jun 19 by bsw72 |
That's not what happened. She made a decision join the Islamic State in Syria. After the fall of ISIS, she was found in a refugee camp in 2019 and wanted to return to the UK.
The UK government revoked her citizenship in February 2019, citing national security concerns. The decision was based on the premise that she was eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship through her parents, even though she had never been to Bangladesh.
It was the gvmt revocation which effectively rendered her stateless, as she could not return to the UK and there was no guarantee that Bangladesh would accept her.
Ripping up a passport may indicate a desire to renounce citizenship or may be an act of protest, but it does not legally change a person's citizenship status. The legal process for renouncing citizenship typically involves formal procedures that must be followed according to the laws of the country in question.
I would suggest the Daily Fail is over-simplifying a complex legal case to suit their readership/agenda. [Post edited 19 Jun 15:12]
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I'm not talking about Shamima Begum | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 15:54 - Jun 19 with 1396 views | Herbivore |
| Well, I’m stumped on 15:32 - Jun 19 by MattinLondon |
Let’s be honest, the entire duel nationality then was total bollox. If she was white but with the same circumstances she would have revived a lot more sympathy. |
Nah mate, if 15 year-old white girls were being groomed by Muslim men and absconding from home to be raped by them, I doubt we'd hear anything about it. | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 15:56 - Jun 19 with 1382 views | textbackup |
| Well, I’m stumped on 15:07 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
Well, given we wouldn't let Shemima Begum back into the UK she's never actually been convicted of anything. |
I’d say it’s pretty damning to her that she admitted travelling over there to join/support ISIS though.
And thankfully no longer welcome here. | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 16:07 - Jun 19 with 1303 views | J2BLUE |
| Well, I’m stumped on 15:56 - Jun 19 by textbackup |
I’d say it’s pretty damning to her that she admitted travelling over there to join/support ISIS though.
And thankfully no longer welcome here. |
I'm not losing any sleep over her not being allowed back but Pakistan feel the same way about these two and we have opened ourself up to this kind of thing. | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 16:09 - Jun 19 with 1287 views | Leaky |
| Well, I’m stumped on 14:16 - Jun 19 by DanTheMan |
Guessing Begum, she's never actually had to face a trial.
Honestly, this sounds like it's Pakistan playing silly b*ggers because they want something from us. |
We could & should syop thier foriegn iaid payment for starters |  | | |
| Well, I’m stumped on 16:19 - Jun 19 with 1196 views | Herbivore |
| Well, I’m stumped on 15:56 - Jun 19 by textbackup |
I’d say it’s pretty damning to her that she admitted travelling over there to join/support ISIS though.
And thankfully no longer welcome here. |
Alternatively, she was a 15 year old girl who was very effectively groomed and then trafficked and married off to an older man while still a child. That's not to say she has no culpability, we consider 15 year olds to have enough of an understanding of right and wrong to be held criminally accountable for their actions, but it's interestingly how differently her case is viewed in comparison to other cases of grooming and trafficking 15 year old girls. | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 16:21 - Jun 19 with 1172 views | JimmyJazz |
| Well, I’m stumped on 14:56 - Jun 19 by EuanTown |
Don't we have another country who are happy to accept them or did labour stop the export of people there. |
Australia? |  |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 16:29 - Jun 19 with 1114 views | textbackup |
| Well, I’m stumped on 16:19 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
Alternatively, she was a 15 year old girl who was very effectively groomed and then trafficked and married off to an older man while still a child. That's not to say she has no culpability, we consider 15 year olds to have enough of an understanding of right and wrong to be held criminally accountable for their actions, but it's interestingly how differently her case is viewed in comparison to other cases of grooming and trafficking 15 year old girls. |
Bizarre that British people view British girls being groomed and raped differently to British girls joining a terror organisation that wish to cause pain and hurt to British people.
Weird isn’t it. Must be racism. Couldn’t be anything but | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 16:40 - Jun 19 with 1041 views | Herbivore |
| Well, I’m stumped on 16:29 - Jun 19 by textbackup |
Bizarre that British people view British girls being groomed and raped differently to British girls joining a terror organisation that wish to cause pain and hurt to British people.
Weird isn’t it. Must be racism. Couldn’t be anything but |
She wasn't out there in the field with an AK-47, mate. She was getting impregnated by a 23 year-old while still a child herself. Do you think she just decided one day to go an join IS? You don't think she was first groomed to encourage her to travel to join the caliphate? That doesn't excuse her actually going through with going but it's odd that people who think they're experts in the grooming of white girls don't seem to be able to get their heads around how there was grooming involved in the Shemima Begum case too. | |
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| Well, I’m stumped on 16:45 - Jun 19 with 999 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Well, I’m stumped on 14:16 - Jun 19 by DanTheMan |
Guessing Begum, she's never actually had to face a trial.
Honestly, this sounds like it's Pakistan playing silly b*ggers because they want something from us. |
Have we got a test series coming up. That’s probably what most of their population care about.
Or support/mediation over India? Pakistan are the weaker party there by far, and we have decent relations with both.
That’s all I can think of. |  |
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