| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? 17:33 - Jun 26 with 4421 views | cbower |
Maybe not last season but this is the Championship. If absolutely necessary, O'Shea can play there too. I could see no replacement for Axel in the hope we have enough there and more money being spent on central midfield and centre forward. Any thoughts? |  |
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 20:59 - Jun 26 with 896 views | davblue |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 19:47 - Jun 26 by itfcjoe |
According to Transfermarkt he started 18 PL games at RB for West Ham across 5 seasons there [Post edited 26 Jun 19:52]
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He’s a bit of something of nothing. I don’t mean that to be disrespectful to him I’m just not sure what he is. |  | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:15 - Jun 26 with 839 views | itfcjoe |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 20:59 - Jun 26 by davblue |
He’s a bit of something of nothing. I don’t mean that to be disrespectful to him I’m just not sure what he is. |
I guess that’s fine at West Ham when a lower paid player, but here when he is one of our highest paid he’s got to be one of first names on teamsheet.
I thought he was excellent at times in that right sided role, and if in PL then would be a good player for us - but we won’t need that sort of player in this league in that role as will be more dominant |  |
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:16 - Jun 26 with 834 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I think so. If the season was to start tomorrow I think we would be Woolfy at CB and Dara RB, especially a tough game at st andrews.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if this was more of a wait and see. Kmc can certainly improve both Harry Clarke and Ben Johnson and neither have PL athletes to deal with this year. |  | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:16 - Jun 26 with 835 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 19:47 - Jun 26 by itfcjoe |
According to Transfermarkt he started 18 PL games at RB for West Ham across 5 seasons there [Post edited 26 Jun 19:52]
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Ah, still getting used to that site.
96 appearances as RB out of all his club appearances. 31 in the PL.
I stand by my comment, I think he should stay, and he'll be a stand out performer.
I'm not sure theres any indication that Tanganga is any better. |  |
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:21 - Jun 26 with 818 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:15 - Jun 26 by itfcjoe |
I guess that’s fine at West Ham when a lower paid player, but here when he is one of our highest paid he’s got to be one of first names on teamsheet.
I thought he was excellent at times in that right sided role, and if in PL then would be a good player for us - but we won’t need that sort of player in this league in that role as will be more dominant |
I still think he can fill that role in the Champ, and develop as he does it.
Perfect for KM. | |
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:25 - Jun 26 with 815 views | davblue |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:15 - Jun 26 by itfcjoe |
I guess that’s fine at West Ham when a lower paid player, but here when he is one of our highest paid he’s got to be one of first names on teamsheet.
I thought he was excellent at times in that right sided role, and if in PL then would be a good player for us - but we won’t need that sort of player in this league in that role as will be more dominant |
Yeah agree with that wing back feels like his best position but not something we need. If we are playing him as a right winger then we won’t be in a great place! | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:36 - Jun 26 with 772 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I agree.
If Davis stays, I think Davis, Greaves, O'Shea and Johnson is a great back four. | |
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:38 - Jun 26 with 758 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 18:47 - Jun 26 by ArnieM |
No disrespect intended to H. Clarke or Johnson, but neither are in the same defensive mold as Axel. And the last thing I'd want to see is O'Shea "sacrificed" to cover right back. This would significantly weaken a very strong CB pairing of Greaves / O'Shea in my view.
So, now we are looking for a new right back ... are Fulham still interested in Johnson? |
If 11th placed Fulham are interested in him (even if that's as back up), then I'm sure he's good enough for us. | |
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:47 - Jun 26 with 752 views | Simonds92 |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 18:34 - Jun 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I'm not sold on the idea that Johnson isn't good enough defensively. We are judging him on what we have seen of him playing in a defensively horrific team in the PL.
He's played 90+ games at RB in the PL for West Ham, and has also played CB, LB, DM, CM and RM so is well tailored for a hybrid role.
With the right coaching at Championship level I think he could be the perfect solution.
We should keep Johnson at all costs. His versatility is another string to his bow in our squad. In one player you have all your defensive positions covered if there is an injury during a match, leaving KM with loads of options for bench selection. [Post edited 26 Jun 18:36]
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I'm not sold on Johnson being anywhere near good enough. Looks weak in every aspect. I remember watching him against Fortuna and he's the second player I've written off after seeing them play 1 game. The other one being Scott Fraser. | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:49 - Jun 26 with 750 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:47 - Jun 26 by Simonds92 |
I'm not sold on Johnson being anywhere near good enough. Looks weak in every aspect. I remember watching him against Fortuna and he's the second player I've written off after seeing them play 1 game. The other one being Scott Fraser. |
Happy to agree to differ.
Lets see what the season brings.
Well done for getting one judgement right in 4 seasons though. 😉 [Post edited 26 Jun 21:50]
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:59 - Jun 26 with 729 views | davblue |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:21 - Jun 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I still think he can fill that role in the Champ, and develop as he does it.
Perfect for KM. |
If we want a 3rd CB/RB then I don’t see him fitting our needs as a RB, unless we are going to play 2 orthodox full backs. | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:09 - Jun 26 with 696 views | Blue_Heath |
This season perhaps but bigger picture is that we need better if we want to be an established PL side. | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:15 - Jun 26 with 667 views | ITFCSG |
van Ewijk at Coventry is a decent shout and won't cost too much, but would Coventry sell to (a likely) promotion rival? | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:16 - Jun 26 with 655 views | Simonds92 |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 21:49 - Jun 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Happy to agree to differ.
Lets see what the season brings.
Well done for getting one judgement right in 4 seasons though. 😉 [Post edited 26 Jun 21:50]
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2 for 2 imo! I don't like to write players off, I just don't see it at all with him. I guess when you consider the level he's now at, he might be ok as a squad player this season. But if we believe the rumours on how much he was being paid coming here (turned down £40k at WHam for apparently more money here), we haven't got a great deal of value, even if he was a free. | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:20 - Jun 26 with 650 views | Blue_Heath |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:16 - Jun 26 by Simonds92 |
2 for 2 imo! I don't like to write players off, I just don't see it at all with him. I guess when you consider the level he's now at, he might be ok as a squad player this season. But if we believe the rumours on how much he was being paid coming here (turned down £40k at WHam for apparently more money here), we haven't got a great deal of value, even if he was a free. |
The trouble with Johnson is he's not a bad right back, not a bad winger but a good footballer. I just don't see a position that he can make his own by being considerably better than others. | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:21 - Jun 26 with 647 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:16 - Jun 26 by Simonds92 |
2 for 2 imo! I don't like to write players off, I just don't see it at all with him. I guess when you consider the level he's now at, he might be ok as a squad player this season. But if we believe the rumours on how much he was being paid coming here (turned down £40k at WHam for apparently more money here), we haven't got a great deal of value, even if he was a free. |
Well, its yet to be confirmed whether your verdict is correct.
Did you write of Janoi, Burgess and Hladky too?! Be honest....
Looks like O'Shea was one you got wrong? [Post edited 26 Jun 22:31]
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:27 - Jun 26 with 632 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:15 - Jun 26 by ITFCSG |
van Ewijk at Coventry is a decent shout and won't cost too much, but would Coventry sell to (a likely) promotion rival? |
Great player but it would unbalance the team with Leif on the other side.
Surely KmC will stick with either buy a new tried and tested hybrid RB or stick with Johnson/ Clarke who are more than good enough going forward. | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:37 - Jun 26 with 620 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:16 - Jun 26 by Simonds92 |
2 for 2 imo! I don't like to write players off, I just don't see it at all with him. I guess when you consider the level he's now at, he might be ok as a squad player this season. But if we believe the rumours on how much he was being paid coming here (turned down £40k at WHam for apparently more money here), we haven't got a great deal of value, even if he was a free. |
I appreciate your opinion, but saying he "might be ok as a squad player" is a little bit disrespectful.
This is a player who has made 92 Premier League appearances by the age of 25.
For four seasons, under one of the Premier League’s more respected managers in David Moyes, West Ham consistently considered him good enough for their top-flight squad and they could have replaced him at any point. He was never loaned out to the Championship.
Yes, he struggled at times last season against some of the world’s best wingers, but I’d be very surprised if he isn’t starting for us next year — especially in matches where we expect to have more of the ball. | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:42 - Jun 26 with 614 views | SitfcB |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:21 - Jun 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Well, its yet to be confirmed whether your verdict is correct.
Did you write of Janoi, Burgess and Hladky too?! Be honest....
Looks like O'Shea was one you got wrong? [Post edited 26 Jun 22:31]
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Everyone wrote Aluko off aswell after his first appearance against Newport so there’s another one. |  |
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 23:40 - Jun 26 with 550 views | _clive_baker_ |
It’s a difficult one. If Ben Johnson isn’t deemed good enough to play at right back for us, and he doesn’t seem a likely profile of the right sided attacking role in the championship (especially given the quality we have there) then you’ve got to question what we’re paying a rumoured £50k per week for (pre any relegation pay cut).
For me we either hand him the #2 shirt and back him to make the spot his own, which I think he’s very capable of, or we look to move him on.
Sometimes players moving on gives others an opportunity they wouldn’t otherwise have landed on. Could be the making of Johnson at Town, I’d give him the opportunity to do so personally and back him. |  | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 23:48 - Jun 26 with 532 views | StNeotsBlue |
If he's back to full fitness Dujon Sterling at Rangers would be a great signing, primarily a RB/Winger but can and has played both centrally in defence and midfield. |  | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 07:00 - Jun 27 with 377 views | Simonds92 |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 22:37 - Jun 26 by Bellevue_Blue |
I appreciate your opinion, but saying he "might be ok as a squad player" is a little bit disrespectful.
This is a player who has made 92 Premier League appearances by the age of 25.
For four seasons, under one of the Premier League’s more respected managers in David Moyes, West Ham consistently considered him good enough for their top-flight squad and they could have replaced him at any point. He was never loaned out to the Championship.
Yes, he struggled at times last season against some of the world’s best wingers, but I’d be very surprised if he isn’t starting for us next year — especially in matches where we expect to have more of the ball. |
As a bit part player. In terms of minutes played, he's played the equivalent of 40 x 90 minutes. At the age of 25, that is not very much football at all.
Myles Kenlock played a similar amount of games for us with the majority being in the Championship. He's been playing the last 3 seasons in the national league.
I do want Johnson to succeed, I'd love to be wrong about him, but based on last season, I'm sure Kieran will now be looking for another first choice right back | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 08:16 - Jun 27 with 312 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 07:00 - Jun 27 by Simonds92 |
As a bit part player. In terms of minutes played, he's played the equivalent of 40 x 90 minutes. At the age of 25, that is not very much football at all.
Myles Kenlock played a similar amount of games for us with the majority being in the Championship. He's been playing the last 3 seasons in the national league.
I do want Johnson to succeed, I'd love to be wrong about him, but based on last season, I'm sure Kieran will now be looking for another first choice right back |
That's 40 games of Premier League football though. Only Dara O'Shea would have more top flight experience in our squad.
The Kenlock comparison just isn't close to being fair. He played a bit part role for us in the Champ when our transfer strategy was Frees and Loans and we were finishing in the bottom half of the league.
Ben Johnson was starting in the semi-final of the Europa League 3 years ago.
Based on last season he might not be good enough for the Premier League but I think we can all give him the benefit of the doubt for next season given his CV. | | | |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 08:20 - Jun 27 with 301 views | PioneerBlue |
For me Ben J has to be good enough and the drop down gives development time in a way he could not get consistently with WH nor in our attempt at PL football last season. If he’s not the right player, we have to move on as others have said. I don’t know how easy option 2 is given where his wages will be and his expectations will be. Let’s see how this works out… | |
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| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 08:26 - Jun 27 with 286 views | Herbivore |
| Ben Johnson and Harry Clarke - enough for the right hand side? on 18:34 - Jun 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I'm not sold on the idea that Johnson isn't good enough defensively. We are judging him on what we have seen of him playing in a defensively horrific team in the PL.
He's played 90+ games at RB in the PL for West Ham, and has also played CB, LB, DM, CM and RM so is well tailored for a hybrid role.
With the right coaching at Championship level I think he could be the perfect solution.
We should keep Johnson at all costs. His versatility is another string to his bow in our squad. In one player you have all your defensive positions covered if there is an injury during a match, leaving KM with loads of options for bench selection. [Post edited 26 Jun 18:36]
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"We should keep Johnson at all costs" falls into hot take territory for me. He looked decent enough on a few occasions last season, but was mainly a huge disappointment. We signed him to bring PL quality and he largely looked more out of his depth than some who had been with us since the League 1 days. For me, he's one I'd happily cash in on if someone is willing to stump up a few million. |  |
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