| Cricket 13:02 - Jul 5 with 1139 views | Steve_M |
Dropping Pant when India already have a big lead looks careless. Big session after lunch now, need wickets before India pile up runs. [Post edited 5 Jul 13:02]
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| Cricket on 13:06 - Jul 5 with 983 views | DBaldy |
Very poor from Crawley there, I've got a feeling that's going to cost us a lot of runs. |  | | |
| Cricket on 13:43 - Jul 5 with 911 views | bsw72 |
England shat their pants?
Having their pants pulled down?
Etc etc |  | | |
| Cricket on 14:09 - Jul 5 with 871 views | gainsboroughblue |
Stokes looking likely to get his dream of trying to chase down 500 plus. |  |
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| Cricket on 18:34 - Jul 5 with 787 views | Trequartista |
Can someone explain why we are scoring at more than four an over when we cannot possibly reach 600+ ? Surely it's best to prioritise not losing wickets of which we've lost 3 already? |  |
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| Cricket on 18:54 - Jul 5 with 751 views | Chrisd |
There’s no chance that we can score 500+ runs tomorrow to win the game, but can our batsmen put their egos away to earn a draw? No, you’re right they’ll keep going for it. Hope I’m proved wrong, the pitch is good enough to bat out a draw…..we just don’t play the percentages game, do we? | |
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| Cricket on 19:31 - Jul 5 with 732 views | BloomBlue |
| Cricket on 18:54 - Jul 5 by Chrisd |
There’s no chance that we can score 500+ runs tomorrow to win the game, but can our batsmen put their egos away to earn a draw? No, you’re right they’ll keep going for it. Hope I’m proved wrong, the pitch is good enough to bat out a draw…..we just don’t play the percentages game, do we? |
Bazball isn't about a draw, it's win or lose. |  | | |
| Cricket on 19:36 - Jul 5 with 726 views | mellowblue |
| Cricket on 19:31 - Jul 5 by BloomBlue |
Bazball isn't about a draw, it's win or lose. |
the natural game of Brook, Smith and Stokes is to hit out, they aren't the type to grind it out. Will be interesting to see their approach. When the ball softens it should become easier. | | | |
| Cricket on 19:37 - Jul 5 with 724 views | Chrisd |
| Cricket on 19:31 - Jul 5 by BloomBlue |
Bazball isn't about a draw, it's win or lose. |
That’s where it’s plain daft. Realistically, we’ve got no chance of winning this test, but we could save it, even though the Indians have been the better team for large periods of this test match. | |
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| Cricket on 19:43 - Jul 5 with 710 views | Chrisd |
| Cricket on 19:36 - Jul 5 by mellowblue |
the natural game of Brook, Smith and Stokes is to hit out, they aren't the type to grind it out. Will be interesting to see their approach. When the ball softens it should become easier. |
Here’s a suggestion, how about bat sensibly, accumulate your runs and consider your shot selection? You aren’t scoring 500+ in a day against this Indian bowling attack and we don’t need to either, let’s not hand it to them on a plate. If you can’t win it, don’t lose it. [Post edited 5 Jul 19:52]
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| Cricket on 21:38 - Jul 5 with 607 views | mellowblue |
| Cricket on 19:43 - Jul 5 by Chrisd |
Here’s a suggestion, how about bat sensibly, accumulate your runs and consider your shot selection? You aren’t scoring 500+ in a day against this Indian bowling attack and we don’t need to either, let’s not hand it to them on a plate. If you can’t win it, don’t lose it. [Post edited 5 Jul 19:52]
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Express their inner-Geoff Boycott, | | | |
| Cricket on 21:43 - Jul 5 with 594 views | WD19 |
| Cricket on 21:38 - Jul 5 by mellowblue |
Express their inner-Geoff Boycott, |
I’m not sure their wives and girlfriends would appreciate that. |  | | |
| Cricket on 09:05 - Jul 6 with 476 views | Zx1988 |
| Cricket on 19:43 - Jul 5 by Chrisd |
Here’s a suggestion, how about bat sensibly, accumulate your runs and consider your shot selection? You aren’t scoring 500+ in a day against this Indian bowling attack and we don’t need to either, let’s not hand it to them on a plate. If you can’t win it, don’t lose it. [Post edited 5 Jul 19:52]
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Exactly. Mick McCarthy it out.
Should have gone for that tactic from the start, playing endless perfectly-executed forward defensives, with a view to ending today on something like 7/1 (taking into account Crawley's absolute addiction to nicking off). | |
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| Cricket on 10:15 - Jul 6 with 459 views | Ryorry |
I initially read that as "Dropping Pants", which would have been entertaining.
You'd have thought there's a happy medium to be found for England somewhere between BazBall & BoycottBall. |  |
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| Cricket on 13:22 - Jul 6 with 390 views | Trequartista |
| Cricket on 18:34 - Jul 5 by Trequartista |
Can someone explain why we are scoring at more than four an over when we cannot possibly reach 600+ ? Surely it's best to prioritise not losing wickets of which we've lost 3 already? |
Still scoring at over 4 an hour and now 5 wickets down.
Seems to be ideology over pragmatism here. | |
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| Cricket on 13:28 - Jul 6 with 376 views | Ryorry |
| Cricket on 13:22 - Jul 6 by Trequartista |
Still scoring at over 4 an hour and now 5 wickets down.
Seems to be ideology over pragmatism here. |
"This team don't know how to play any other way".
Err, they're supposed to be professionals, elite, and representing their country (which they're being handsomely paid for). I think it's reasonable to expect them to be able to adapt tactically, as they do adapt to different weather & strip conditions. | |
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| Cricket on 13:39 - Jul 6 with 357 views | Trequartista |
| Cricket on 13:28 - Jul 6 by Ryorry |
"This team don't know how to play any other way".
Err, they're supposed to be professionals, elite, and representing their country (which they're being handsomely paid for). I think it's reasonable to expect them to be able to adapt tactically, as they do adapt to different weather & strip conditions. |
I've historically thought test cricketers score too slowly. i.e. they could score at a one-day rate if its a really good batting pitch, so I think "bazball" is a good idea until the win becomes highly improbable. Maybe cricket doesn't have the sports science or tactical minds that football has. | |
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| Cricket on 13:56 - Jul 6 with 333 views | mellowblue |
| Cricket on 21:43 - Jul 5 by WD19 |
I’m not sure their wives and girlfriends would appreciate that. |
Don't think the crowd would either and I say that knowing that Sir Geoffrey was my cricketing favourite way back in the day. | | | |
| Cricket on 14:05 - Jul 6 with 320 views | mellowblue |
| Cricket on 13:22 - Jul 6 by Trequartista |
Still scoring at over 4 an hour and now 5 wickets down.
Seems to be ideology over pragmatism here. |
I tend to think that nowadays ticking the scoreboard along negates the pressure of being hyper-defensive . Some players do not have that siege-mentality. Playing the odd shot, making the field work, slows the over rate, rotates the strike, just gives that momentary time to relax a bit. | | | |
| Cricket on 14:09 - Jul 6 with 311 views | Trequartista |
| Cricket on 14:05 - Jul 6 by mellowblue |
I tend to think that nowadays ticking the scoreboard along negates the pressure of being hyper-defensive . Some players do not have that siege-mentality. Playing the odd shot, making the field work, slows the over rate, rotates the strike, just gives that momentary time to relax a bit. |
I accept that, and I wouldn't advocate playing the same shot every time, but to me you are doing two things as a batsman. Scoring runs and simultaneously not getting out. It must surely be easier to do one job rather than two. | |
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| Cricket on 14:10 - Jul 6 with 304 views | mellowblue |
| Cricket on 13:39 - Jul 6 by Trequartista |
I've historically thought test cricketers score too slowly. i.e. they could score at a one-day rate if its a really good batting pitch, so I think "bazball" is a good idea until the win becomes highly improbable. Maybe cricket doesn't have the sports science or tactical minds that football has. |
One day pitches are definitely set up with the batter in mind. Test pitches give the bowlers a better chance and of course it being a 5 day contest it changes the thinking entirely. | | | |
| Cricket on 14:26 - Jul 6 with 271 views | Ryorry |
| Cricket on 13:39 - Jul 6 by Trequartista |
I've historically thought test cricketers score too slowly. i.e. they could score at a one-day rate if its a really good batting pitch, so I think "bazball" is a good idea until the win becomes highly improbable. Maybe cricket doesn't have the sports science or tactical minds that football has. |
It's undoubtedly enjoyable & obviously important that it's got more young people interested in Test cricket, but opting for a 1% chance of winning & a 99% chance of losing, instead of a 50-50 draw ain't exactly going to please the public either.
However, in writing that out I've remembered that I only became interested in Test cricket when I happened to be spending a few hours at the home of friends who had a garden platform overlooking Headingley just as Botham was starting to turn things around in the Ashes of 1981, so I'll now tell meself to shut up!
Edit: I vaguely recall reading somewhere that bookies’ odds on an England win were about 500/1 before Botham started turning the game round, but that might be wrong. [Post edited 6 Jul 18:40]
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| Cricket on 14:53 - Jul 6 with 235 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket on 14:10 - Jul 6 by mellowblue |
One day pitches are definitely set up with the batter in mind. Test pitches give the bowlers a better chance and of course it being a 5 day contest it changes the thinking entirely. |
the pitch hasn't been the problem, it's that England's seamers have been comprehensively outbowled by India's even without Bunrah. Archer will be earmarked to play at Lord's. I think Woakes's time is up - he's Jimmy Anderson-lite. |  |
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| Cricket on 18:25 - Jul 6 with 167 views | mellowblue |
| Cricket on 14:53 - Jul 6 by Radlett_blue |
the pitch hasn't been the problem, it's that England's seamers have been comprehensively outbowled by India's even without Bunrah. Archer will be earmarked to play at Lord's. I think Woakes's time is up - he's Jimmy Anderson-lite. |
I was emphasizing the difference in pitch set up for one day and test matches. The pitch for this test was a well balanced pitch. Bat well and there are runs for you, bowl well and there are wickets. Definitely a pitch to bat first on though. I have no problem with this pitch. India did what they should have done first test, put enough runs on the board to make it safe and put England on the defensive. You are right, England have been out-bowled whether seam or spin. Definitely need Archer to give them the hurry-up, assuming he can still bowl full-pace. Congrats to India, after the first test I did not think they would win, very impressive, they have really stepped it up. | | | |
| Cricket on 18:47 - Jul 6 with 125 views | stonojnr |
| Cricket on 13:39 - Jul 6 by Trequartista |
I've historically thought test cricketers score too slowly. i.e. they could score at a one-day rate if its a really good batting pitch, so I think "bazball" is a good idea until the win becomes highly improbable. Maybe cricket doesn't have the sports science or tactical minds that football has. |
it does, but their tactical philosphies become a mantra that they just stick to and the players arent able to adapt to the ingame situation.
as you can speak to or just listen to loads of ex players who know that you adapt your game plan as things progress, the truly great cricketers and captains in the game just did it naturally.
and this is why "bazball" as a concept is so stupid, but it works against most of the teams England face, because you can bludgeon most bowlers in most teams, win a game and declare everything is rosy, and then play Australia or India and come crashing back to Earth again with a reality check.
but there we go, the players are told they have to go at 4 an over, that every ball is a boundary shot so what can they do. | | | |
| Cricket on 18:55 - Jul 6 with 111 views | stonojnr |
| Cricket on 18:25 - Jul 6 by mellowblue |
I was emphasizing the difference in pitch set up for one day and test matches. The pitch for this test was a well balanced pitch. Bat well and there are runs for you, bowl well and there are wickets. Definitely a pitch to bat first on though. I have no problem with this pitch. India did what they should have done first test, put enough runs on the board to make it safe and put England on the defensive. You are right, England have been out-bowled whether seam or spin. Definitely need Archer to give them the hurry-up, assuming he can still bowl full-pace. Congrats to India, after the first test I did not think they would win, very impressive, they have really stepped it up. |
but this is the problem you can see we're already expecting someone who has only bowled 14 overs of red ball cricket in 4 years at county level, to walk straight into the England squad, and bowl at least 30-40 overs, and magically solve Englands lack of wicket taking bowlers. | | | |
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