| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. 15:06 - Jul 5 with 3926 views | noggin |
under terrorism laws. I don't know how the arresting officers can sleep at night. WTF is going on in Britain? |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 20:51 - Jul 5 with 930 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:43 - Jul 5 by BloomBlue |
Sorry but they knew the law had changed, don't break the law.
That organisation made a challenge in court and it failed
There will be loads of people in the country arrested for something today, which they would beg to differ. Ie drug related, car theft, house burglary, driving a car while drink.. But the fact is, if you undertake something against the law you will (could) be arrested.
These people are supporting a banned organisation. They can still protest about Gaza and show support for Palestine just don't show support for Palestine Action. |
They did it to protest against a clearly draconian Trumpish decision. Rightly so. |  | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 21:05 - Jul 5 with 899 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 20:32 - Jul 5 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
Did you see the vote? Did you read the wording of the vote? It was a blatant disregard for democracy |
I did and the verdict is shocking. I was praising normal non-Zionist, non-politicians who continue to stand up against the vile ideology Zionism. I've supported these brave people (many of whom are Holocaust survivors) regularly over the last couple of years and I have received pelters on this site for doing so.
Anyway, the mask of Zionism has fallen off and anyone still conflating anti-Zionism with antisemitism needs to give their heads a big wobble and stop echoing pro-Zionist soundbites which only serve to silence criticism of this ideology and condone their followers' filthy disrespect and persecution of millions of innocent Palestinians. |  | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 21:13 - Jul 5 with 880 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 21:05 - Jul 5 by Cafe_Newman |
I did and the verdict is shocking. I was praising normal non-Zionist, non-politicians who continue to stand up against the vile ideology Zionism. I've supported these brave people (many of whom are Holocaust survivors) regularly over the last couple of years and I have received pelters on this site for doing so.
Anyway, the mask of Zionism has fallen off and anyone still conflating anti-Zionism with antisemitism needs to give their heads a big wobble and stop echoing pro-Zionist soundbites which only serve to silence criticism of this ideology and condone their followers' filthy disrespect and persecution of millions of innocent Palestinians. |
In fairness....they had to vote on Maniacs Murder Cult and Russian Imperial Movement.
One vote. Proscribe all or nome. Disgusting. |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 07:16 - Jul 6 with 754 views | RIPbobby |
I think as a whole they realise how cheesed off the population is and are trying to nip everything in the bud. I've said for the last year or two that I think we are close to mass hysteria on these isles. Nothing has gone right here for a good while. |  | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 07:51 - Jul 6 with 718 views | noggin |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 07:16 - Jul 6 by RIPbobby |
I think as a whole they realise how cheesed off the population is and are trying to nip everything in the bud. I've said for the last year or two that I think we are close to mass hysteria on these isles. Nothing has gone right here for a good while. |
Question is, what is the population 'cheesed off' about? | |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 08:50 - Jul 6 with 665 views | Mullet |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 07:51 - Jul 6 by noggin |
Question is, what is the population 'cheesed off' about? |
There is a lot in fairness. People assumed a change of government would mean everything would change immediately.
People don't understand that the Tory failures on "small boats" and decision to house them in hotels is something Labour inherited and takes time to stop and change. We had a hotel used here, and people are hysterical about it from day one, repeating lies and far right propoganda etc.
The infrastructure is a mess. You see people berating Labour MPs from everything to potholes, to public transport and after years of it they're not blaming the old regime.
Farage and his ilk seem to focus on ragebait and talking points away from the government policies. So every time Labour do something, they are then drawn into an argument about something else. The fact he gets a disgusting amount of media coverage for someone so small in the scale of parliament doesn't help. Every news story needs a Far Right perspective "for balance" it seems and Labour simply don't shut him down.
If they went on the attack instead of appeasement they'd look a lot stronger in my opinion and shape discourse much better around the more grown up issues.
Brexit has caused everyday life to become more and more expensive and things only go up in price. Fear of offending the idiots who voted for it is another example of playing to the fringes. Instead we have all the problems and costs, and no one is prepared to say it needs reversing. Especially when war and supply lines threaten us in waves and drive the economic pressures.
Lastly, not going after the rich. If Labour had said we are stopping fuel allowance for those who don't need it, we are taxing farms which aren't economically beneficial to the country but the tax dumps of land barons, you wouldn't have got them being trounced by simplistic slogans and emotional manipulation.
They can't afford another U-turn even if it's justified. People are being whipped up into frenzies and Labour aren't calming the waters, they're just tryin to wait out the noise and getting hit by the next thing. |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 08:51 - Jul 6 with 660 views | DJR |
Private Eye has highlighted the extensive lobbying for the proscription of Palestine Action by arms firms and peers and others with links to arms firms but the following from the recent issue is rather concerning.
"Policy Exchange, a think tank which receives arms industry funding, hosted a speech by Jonathan Hall KC, "independent reviewer of terrorism legislation", in which he said we need to save "democracy from itself" with Cold War-style "counter subversion laws" to deal with protests about contentious foreign policy issues. As Eye 1650 noted, the independent reviewer of terrorism is normally a civil liberties-minded watchdog, so Hall could have been a block to this unusual extension of powers. But his speech signalled that he would raise no objections." |  | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 09:03 - Jul 6 with 643 views | Bluecoin |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 07:51 - Jul 6 by noggin |
Question is, what is the population 'cheesed off' about? |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 10:07 - Jul 6 with 581 views | noggin |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 08:50 - Jul 6 by Mullet |
There is a lot in fairness. People assumed a change of government would mean everything would change immediately.
People don't understand that the Tory failures on "small boats" and decision to house them in hotels is something Labour inherited and takes time to stop and change. We had a hotel used here, and people are hysterical about it from day one, repeating lies and far right propoganda etc.
The infrastructure is a mess. You see people berating Labour MPs from everything to potholes, to public transport and after years of it they're not blaming the old regime.
Farage and his ilk seem to focus on ragebait and talking points away from the government policies. So every time Labour do something, they are then drawn into an argument about something else. The fact he gets a disgusting amount of media coverage for someone so small in the scale of parliament doesn't help. Every news story needs a Far Right perspective "for balance" it seems and Labour simply don't shut him down.
If they went on the attack instead of appeasement they'd look a lot stronger in my opinion and shape discourse much better around the more grown up issues.
Brexit has caused everyday life to become more and more expensive and things only go up in price. Fear of offending the idiots who voted for it is another example of playing to the fringes. Instead we have all the problems and costs, and no one is prepared to say it needs reversing. Especially when war and supply lines threaten us in waves and drive the economic pressures.
Lastly, not going after the rich. If Labour had said we are stopping fuel allowance for those who don't need it, we are taxing farms which aren't economically beneficial to the country but the tax dumps of land barons, you wouldn't have got them being trounced by simplistic slogans and emotional manipulation.
They can't afford another U-turn even if it's justified. People are being whipped up into frenzies and Labour aren't calming the waters, they're just tryin to wait out the noise and getting hit by the next thing. |
Excellent post. | |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 10:14 - Jul 6 with 557 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 07:51 - Jul 6 by noggin |
Question is, what is the population 'cheesed off' about? |
Mullers covers most of it, but in short a lot of us have had falling real incomes* over the last 16-17 years with the double whammy of price rises, a collapse in public services, increasingly unaffordable housing, etc.
*That’s affected millions, not just the poorest, but obviously the less well off have found in increasingly difficult hence the explosion in use of food banks and people having to take double jobs to get by (and we’re talking about supposedly good jobs here, like some teachers, nurses, etc). |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 10:21 - Jul 6 with 541 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 09:03 - Jul 6 by Bluecoin |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 10:33 - Jul 6 with 514 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 19:26 - Jul 5 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Reading the wording carefully suggests that if a member of Palestinian Action wanted to apply for a Judicial Review of the Home Secretary's decision to prescribe the organisation, then:
a) they would be unable to ask anyone else to join them in that appeal.
b) they would be unable to instruct a Solicitor to aid them in that process.
c) they would be unable to ask somebody for a lift to a Judicial Review, if granted.
d) the Judge would not be able to meet with them.
e) nobody would be able to speak for the proscribed organisation.
Which makes it a very bad law, in my opinion. |
The leader of the organisation is the one currently bringing proceedings.... so.... | | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 10:41 - Jul 6 with 501 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 09:03 - Jul 6 by Bluecoin |
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Pie consistently nails it and is spot on again here, but I don’t think that answers Noggin’s question. People aren’t pissed, off, increasingly desperate, poorer, being less well-served by Councils and the state because of a crap first 12 months in government by Starmer and Co. They’re not helping, but they’re not the cause, bar adding to the frustration slightly through their incompetence.
You can sum it all up in one word: change. As Pie says, people hoped for change, for things to get better. Labour didn’t cause the vast majority of the mess we’re in, but they’re don’t seem capable of improving things either.
There’s a malfeasance here that has continued to affect some people since the undermining, and in some cases destruction, of our national industries by Thatcher. None of the administrations have served some of the people in those former industrial heartlands. And then layer on top the immorality of Blair’s government, the huge structural failures and managed decline by the Tories since 2010 and there are lots of different groups of people all pissed off for different reasons.
Without wanting to go all hippy, the fundamental capitalist/neoliberal model which encourages greed and consolidation of wealth in a few very rich individuals and organisations has failed all of us. Increasing inequality, profiteering from war, outsourcing to organisations that are raping the public purse and harming our environment to deliver private solutions to public service needs (Blair loading the NHS with private debt; sh* t in our rivers and beaches because shareholders are more important; one of the most expensive rail networks in Europe; blatant nepotism and corruption and funnelling of funds to fraudsters during Covid (some of whom even sit in the Lords!), etc).
We could go on and on. And that’s before we think about the rising creep of state authoritarianism, threats to democracy and people feeling increasing disengaged from wanting to vote or get involved in local politics. Before we touch on the problems of disinformation and bad actors trying to subvert democracy for their own gain (from Russia, to the influence of opaque ‘think tanks’ with undisclosed donors). Before we consider the increasingly fractured and tribal society, where we have a shared truth less often, leading us to ignore and even lobby against some of the largest threats to us and the planet (climate change, public health, human rights, etc.). [Post edited 6 Jul 10:44]
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 12:45 - Jul 6 with 397 views | noggin |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 10:41 - Jul 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Pie consistently nails it and is spot on again here, but I don’t think that answers Noggin’s question. People aren’t pissed, off, increasingly desperate, poorer, being less well-served by Councils and the state because of a crap first 12 months in government by Starmer and Co. They’re not helping, but they’re not the cause, bar adding to the frustration slightly through their incompetence.
You can sum it all up in one word: change. As Pie says, people hoped for change, for things to get better. Labour didn’t cause the vast majority of the mess we’re in, but they’re don’t seem capable of improving things either.
There’s a malfeasance here that has continued to affect some people since the undermining, and in some cases destruction, of our national industries by Thatcher. None of the administrations have served some of the people in those former industrial heartlands. And then layer on top the immorality of Blair’s government, the huge structural failures and managed decline by the Tories since 2010 and there are lots of different groups of people all pissed off for different reasons.
Without wanting to go all hippy, the fundamental capitalist/neoliberal model which encourages greed and consolidation of wealth in a few very rich individuals and organisations has failed all of us. Increasing inequality, profiteering from war, outsourcing to organisations that are raping the public purse and harming our environment to deliver private solutions to public service needs (Blair loading the NHS with private debt; sh* t in our rivers and beaches because shareholders are more important; one of the most expensive rail networks in Europe; blatant nepotism and corruption and funnelling of funds to fraudsters during Covid (some of whom even sit in the Lords!), etc).
We could go on and on. And that’s before we think about the rising creep of state authoritarianism, threats to democracy and people feeling increasing disengaged from wanting to vote or get involved in local politics. Before we touch on the problems of disinformation and bad actors trying to subvert democracy for their own gain (from Russia, to the influence of opaque ‘think tanks’ with undisclosed donors). Before we consider the increasingly fractured and tribal society, where we have a shared truth less often, leading us to ignore and even lobby against some of the largest threats to us and the planet (climate change, public health, human rights, etc.). [Post edited 6 Jul 10:44]
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 12:54 - Jul 6 with 379 views | NthQldITFC |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 10:21 - Jul 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
This. |
TLDR. |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 12:59 - Jul 6 with 371 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 12:45 - Jul 6 by noggin |
Excellent post |
Cheers buh. It’s frustrating. The issues are many and long-standing, but we seem stuck in a loop of ‘it’s the other side’s fault’ (or it’s all the fault of foreigners according to th DM, Spectator, Farage, Telegraph..).
Whereas in reality our politicians/governments have all been ploughing the same furrow
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 13:13 - Jul 6 with 340 views | Swansea_Blue |
Anyway, back on topic of the OP, if anyone is still struggling to know what terrorism really is, see DBaldy’s thread about the horrific 7th July attacks - Harrowing account of July 7th bombings by DBaldy 6 Jul 8:48If you only read one news story today, read this.
BBC News - I looked into the eyes of a man who blew himself up on the Tube. I still see him everywhere
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedgvg3elx2o
How anyone can equate people who wish to kill others with those who spray paint on war planes is beyond me. When we’ve reached that point in law, we’ve got a problem. Even more so when people are then arrested for peacefully protesting imo. | |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 13:31 - Jul 6 with 309 views | DJR |
A few observations on Labour's failings.
1.The Ming vase election strategy meant Labour came to power with no underlying narrative.
2. The strategy was also a failure in term of share of the vote and meant Labour had no real bedrock of support when things got tough. This at a time when Labour were pushing at an open goal given the unpopularity of the Tories.
3. Labour were not honest before the election about the state of the country's finances. Instead, they put the fear of god into the country after the election but this impacted on the one thing that they depended on above all else, namely, growth.
4. Once in power, they have continued to lack any underlying narrative. No previous governing party has done this, and it strikes me as being politically disastrous. At the end of the day, a party in government has to stand for something, and take sides.
All of the above seem to me to be strategic errors, and the blame for this must lie with Starmer and McSweeney. [Post edited 6 Jul 13:36]
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 13:34 - Jul 6 with 299 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 13:31 - Jul 6 by DJR |
A few observations on Labour's failings.
1.The Ming vase election strategy meant Labour came to power with no underlying narrative.
2. The strategy was also a failure in term of share of the vote and meant Labour had no real bedrock of support when things got tough. This at a time when Labour were pushing at an open goal given the unpopularity of the Tories.
3. Labour were not honest before the election about the state of the country's finances. Instead, they put the fear of god into the country after the election but this impacted on the one thing that they depended on above all else, namely, growth.
4. Once in power, they have continued to lack any underlying narrative. No previous governing party has done this, and it strikes me as being politically disastrous. At the end of the day, a party in government has to stand for something, and take sides.
All of the above seem to me to be strategic errors, and the blame for this must lie with Starmer and McSweeney. [Post edited 6 Jul 13:36]
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Not committing to anything and letting the Tories eat themselves was a good opposition strategy, but doesn’t translate to governing very well does it? | |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 13:55 - Jul 6 with 274 views | Ryorry |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 08:50 - Jul 6 by Mullet |
There is a lot in fairness. People assumed a change of government would mean everything would change immediately.
People don't understand that the Tory failures on "small boats" and decision to house them in hotels is something Labour inherited and takes time to stop and change. We had a hotel used here, and people are hysterical about it from day one, repeating lies and far right propoganda etc.
The infrastructure is a mess. You see people berating Labour MPs from everything to potholes, to public transport and after years of it they're not blaming the old regime.
Farage and his ilk seem to focus on ragebait and talking points away from the government policies. So every time Labour do something, they are then drawn into an argument about something else. The fact he gets a disgusting amount of media coverage for someone so small in the scale of parliament doesn't help. Every news story needs a Far Right perspective "for balance" it seems and Labour simply don't shut him down.
If they went on the attack instead of appeasement they'd look a lot stronger in my opinion and shape discourse much better around the more grown up issues.
Brexit has caused everyday life to become more and more expensive and things only go up in price. Fear of offending the idiots who voted for it is another example of playing to the fringes. Instead we have all the problems and costs, and no one is prepared to say it needs reversing. Especially when war and supply lines threaten us in waves and drive the economic pressures.
Lastly, not going after the rich. If Labour had said we are stopping fuel allowance for those who don't need it, we are taxing farms which aren't economically beneficial to the country but the tax dumps of land barons, you wouldn't have got them being trounced by simplistic slogans and emotional manipulation.
They can't afford another U-turn even if it's justified. People are being whipped up into frenzies and Labour aren't calming the waters, they're just tryin to wait out the noise and getting hit by the next thing. |
That's a superb summary. |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 14:39 - Jul 6 with 226 views | Rimsy |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 16:33 - Jul 5 by bluelagos |
Met's finest working hard to keep us safe from these terrorist sympathisers...
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She does look a bit of a rum un to be fair... |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 15:45 - Jul 6 with 171 views | DJR |
Interesting passage from a recent article in the New Statesman about Morgan McSweeney.
"Divisions over McSweeney and the government’s welfare cuts are emblematic of a wider battle for Labour’s soul. Soft-left MPs and figures such as Sadiq Khan and Campbell are urging Starmer to be true to his original left-liberal instincts and embrace an unashamedly progressive agenda (a No 10 source told me Campbell “wouldn’t last two minutes in Morgan’s job” and was “utterly clueless about the sentiment and state of the country”). McSweeney’s confidants, in the words of one, regard him as a “constant ballast that ensures we look beyond SW1”. Without him, they warn, Labour would become detached from the common ground of public opinion on defining issues such as immigration and welfare, retreating to the comforts of opposition."
A few observations spring to mind.
1. The strategy appears to rest on following opinion polls rather than trying to influence public opinion.
2. It suggests a level of arrogance at the core of Labour and no real underlying principles.
3. The strategy seems doomed to fail because if you want the real thing on issues such as welfare and immigration, you'll vote for Reborm.
4. Such a strategy risks alienating potential Labour supporters, as is happening now from a low base.
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