| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? 13:47 - Jul 29 with 3186 views | blueasfook |
If you can trace your DNA back to one of the original tribes below then you can say you are of indigenous descent...
01: Caledones
02: Taexali
03: Carvetii
04: Venicones
05: Epidii
06: Damnonii
07: Novantae
08: Selgovae
09: Votadini
10: Brigantes
11: Parisi
12: Cornovii
13: Deceangli
14: Ordovices
15: Corieltauvi
16: Iceni
17: Demetae
18: Catuvellauni
19: Silures
20: Dubunni
21: Dumnonii
22: Durotriges
23: Belgae
24: Atrebates
25: Regni
26: Cantiaci
27: Trinovantes
These are the tribes that existed prior to the Roman invasion in 55 BCE which you could say was the first colonisation of Britain.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/iron_01.shtml
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:50 - Jul 29 with 2164 views | Swansea_Blue |
I can trace my ancestry back to a simple single cell organism that was the first to pull itself up onto Felixstowe beach. I’m not too far developed from it too, so I must win. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:54 - Jul 29 with 2131 views | homer_123 |
As Al Murray would say, all great British names!!!! |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:57 - Jul 29 with 2111 views | Guthrum |
Celts? Latecomers. Particualrly the Belgic tribes on that list. Beaker Peoples arrived well before that (and there is some evidence of a significant population influx). Then you have the underlying Neolithic and earlier groups.
In any case, tracing family history much before the early 19th century is hard, prior to the 16th/17th centuries almost impossible (unless your lineage was of major status/significance). Most people are barely aware of who their great-grandparents were. let alone further back.
That's why this whole "indigenous" argument is ridiculous. There's always an arbitrary cut-off point to suit whoever is talking. Or an inaccurate ethnic filter (skin colour, usually - maybe hair and eyes, or height and physique). |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:59 - Jul 29 with 2084 views | homer_123 |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:57 - Jul 29 by Guthrum |
Celts? Latecomers. Particualrly the Belgic tribes on that list. Beaker Peoples arrived well before that (and there is some evidence of a significant population influx). Then you have the underlying Neolithic and earlier groups.
In any case, tracing family history much before the early 19th century is hard, prior to the 16th/17th centuries almost impossible (unless your lineage was of major status/significance). Most people are barely aware of who their great-grandparents were. let alone further back.
That's why this whole "indigenous" argument is ridiculous. There's always an arbitrary cut-off point to suit whoever is talking. Or an inaccurate ethnic filter (skin colour, usually - maybe hair and eyes, or height and physique). |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:59 - Jul 29 with 2081 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:57 - Jul 29 by Guthrum |
Celts? Latecomers. Particualrly the Belgic tribes on that list. Beaker Peoples arrived well before that (and there is some evidence of a significant population influx). Then you have the underlying Neolithic and earlier groups.
In any case, tracing family history much before the early 19th century is hard, prior to the 16th/17th centuries almost impossible (unless your lineage was of major status/significance). Most people are barely aware of who their great-grandparents were. let alone further back.
That's why this whole "indigenous" argument is ridiculous. There's always an arbitrary cut-off point to suit whoever is talking. Or an inaccurate ethnic filter (skin colour, usually - maybe hair and eyes, or height and physique). |
‘Bloody Beaker folk. Coming over here, rowing up the Tagus Estuary from the Iberian Peninsula in improvised rafts. Coming here with their drinking vessels. What's wrong with just cupping up the water in your hands and licking it up like a cat?’ | |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:02 - Jul 29 with 2043 views | blueasfook |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:59 - Jul 29 by Swansea_Blue |
‘Bloody Beaker folk. Coming over here, rowing up the Tagus Estuary from the Iberian Peninsula in improvised rafts. Coming here with their drinking vessels. What's wrong with just cupping up the water in your hands and licking it up like a cat?’ |
So people were arriving on boats even then?
I expect they were given free caves and loin cloths. | |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:13 - Jul 29 with 1944 views | Keno |
The first 'people' to inhabit Britain were probably a pre-neanderthal hunter/gather tribe who came across doggerland from Europe with a small family group settling on the rising land just beyond dogger.
They were a primitive group who from the archaeological evidence had at least one extra digit, a love of gaudy colours and genetics have shown a high degree of inter family breeding with men often have the same mother, sister, auntie and pet dog.
A small somewhat run down settlement, which shows signs of damage from burning, of these unfortunate backward folk have been found in a derelict areas of East Anglia know nowadays as Carrow Road |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:13 - Jul 29 with 1946 views | baxterbasics |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:57 - Jul 29 by Guthrum |
Celts? Latecomers. Particualrly the Belgic tribes on that list. Beaker Peoples arrived well before that (and there is some evidence of a significant population influx). Then you have the underlying Neolithic and earlier groups.
In any case, tracing family history much before the early 19th century is hard, prior to the 16th/17th centuries almost impossible (unless your lineage was of major status/significance). Most people are barely aware of who their great-grandparents were. let alone further back.
That's why this whole "indigenous" argument is ridiculous. There's always an arbitrary cut-off point to suit whoever is talking. Or an inaccurate ethnic filter (skin colour, usually - maybe hair and eyes, or height and physique). |
My parents are (or were, in my mothers case) keen family historians. The furthest we've gone back in any line is a 1590 birth, although that is only an 'about' without a solid source. The earliest with a verifiable source is 1625.
Those earliest were a mix of London and Scotland though, so maybe I'm qualifying?
There is some Irish and Dutch in certain branches, so can't claim to be purebred - more of a filthy mud-blood. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:18 - Jul 29 with 1911 views | Keno |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:13 - Jul 29 by baxterbasics |
My parents are (or were, in my mothers case) keen family historians. The furthest we've gone back in any line is a 1590 birth, although that is only an 'about' without a solid source. The earliest with a verifiable source is 1625.
Those earliest were a mix of London and Scotland though, so maybe I'm qualifying?
There is some Irish and Dutch in certain branches, so can't claim to be purebred - more of a filthy mud-blood. |
Ive my mums family tree back to a guy born near Canterbury in 1599 called John Hogpen
On my dads side I can get back to the early 1600's a small village in the east of France from where, we suspect as part of the Huguenot persecutions, they fled to Guernsey [Post edited 29 Jul 14:27]
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:19 - Jul 29 with 1910 views | leitrimblue |
I've traced my ancestry accurately through church records dating back to the early mesolithic..
I kindly suggest that the rest of you return back to wherever it is you originally came from and stop sponging off me and my taxes  |  | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:22 - Jul 29 with 1874 views | homer_123 |
Where's Facters when you need him? | |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:24 - Jul 29 with 1851 views | leitrimblue |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:22 - Jul 29 by homer_123 |
Where's Facters when you need him? |
I remember Factors arriving in the late iron age. They were given a Holiday Inn owned cave near Diss | | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:25 - Jul 29 with 1848 views | baxterbasics |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:19 - Jul 29 by leitrimblue |
I've traced my ancestry accurately through church records dating back to the early mesolithic..
I kindly suggest that the rest of you return back to wherever it is you originally came from and stop sponging off me and my taxes |
Mesolithic?
Which churches were around and keeping records in 6000BC?
The rock-worshipping cathedral of St Ug the clubber? | |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:29 - Jul 29 with 1808 views | leitrimblue |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:25 - Jul 29 by baxterbasics |
Mesolithic?
Which churches were around and keeping records in 6000BC?
The rock-worshipping cathedral of St Ug the clubber? |
Never question the power of the church..
The wise druidic Bard types of Star Carr passed their knowledge down through the years?
I thought you would know this having historians in the family  | | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:31 - Jul 29 with 1780 views | IndependentlyBlue |
That number 6 Damnonii has just had a great season in the Greek Premier League. If we can get him for less than £5m sign him up |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:33 - Jul 29 with 1739 views | NthQldITFC |
I'm apparently a fairly common mix - one third 6, one third 21 and one third 26.
We're colloquially known as Damn-Dum-Cants. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:34 - Jul 29 with 1738 views | Miaow |
Big up the Trinovantes. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:35 - Jul 29 with 1724 views | DanTheMan |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:18 - Jul 29 by Keno |
Ive my mums family tree back to a guy born near Canterbury in 1599 called John Hogpen
On my dads side I can get back to the early 1600's a small village in the east of France from where, we suspect as part of the Huguenot persecutions, they fled to Guernsey [Post edited 29 Jul 14:27]
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The furthest I've got back is around the same time, early 1500s.
As it happens, one of my family members decided he did not like the king very much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kett%27s_Rebellion
Almost a direct male line back to Robert Kett's brother. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:35 - Jul 29 with 1727 views | blueasfook |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:34 - Jul 29 by Miaow |
Big up the Trinovantes. |
Iceni were probably the top dogs of the day. They kicked the romans ass at Colchester. | |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:48 - Jul 29 with 1636 views | GeoffSentence |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:57 - Jul 29 by Guthrum |
Celts? Latecomers. Particualrly the Belgic tribes on that list. Beaker Peoples arrived well before that (and there is some evidence of a significant population influx). Then you have the underlying Neolithic and earlier groups.
In any case, tracing family history much before the early 19th century is hard, prior to the 16th/17th centuries almost impossible (unless your lineage was of major status/significance). Most people are barely aware of who their great-grandparents were. let alone further back.
That's why this whole "indigenous" argument is ridiculous. There's always an arbitrary cut-off point to suit whoever is talking. Or an inaccurate ethnic filter (skin colour, usually - maybe hair and eyes, or height and physique). |
Adrian Targett is possibly the only man in the country who can legitamately lay claim to being of 'indigenous heritage' since his mitochondrial DNA was matched to that of Cheddar Man, who lived in the Cheddar area 8 or 9000 years ago. Even that his just on the mother's side, his father's side could be johnny come lately Durotriges or who knws what from some later time. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:51 - Jul 29 with 1620 views | Kropotkin123 |
I heard this is basically fact. The way I interpret this data is I'm 63% indigenous (likely Iceni because my family tree traces back to Suffolk in the 1500s).
Danish is likely from the Viking conquest (or integration as my Viking side likes to call it).
German I assume is from the Anglo-Saxon relocation. Saxons never stay still for long.
Not sure about the Welsh side, but I'll make some rarebit and test it. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:01 - Jul 29 with 1558 views | leitrimblue |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:34 - Jul 29 by Miaow |
Big up the Trinovantes. |
Romanised splitters.. | | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:09 - Jul 29 with 1517 views | djgooder |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:35 - Jul 29 by DanTheMan |
The furthest I've got back is around the same time, early 1500s.
As it happens, one of my family members decided he did not like the king very much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kett%27s_Rebellion
Almost a direct male line back to Robert Kett's brother. |
According to Wikipedia you should be a Norwich fan? |  | | |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:12 - Jul 29 with 1498 views | KBsSocks |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 13:50 - Jul 29 by Swansea_Blue |
I can trace my ancestry back to a simple single cell organism that was the first to pull itself up onto Felixstowe beach. I’m not too far developed from it too, so I must win. |
I was the prion in your single cell. I win, lol. |  |
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| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 15:15 - Jul 29 with 1484 views | leitrimblue |
| Who exactly ARE the indigenous people of Britain? on 14:48 - Jul 29 by GeoffSentence |
Adrian Targett is possibly the only man in the country who can legitamately lay claim to being of 'indigenous heritage' since his mitochondrial DNA was matched to that of Cheddar Man, who lived in the Cheddar area 8 or 9000 years ago. Even that his just on the mother's side, his father's side could be johnny come lately Durotriges or who knws what from some later time. |
Having shared genetics with the likes of Cheddar Man or the inhabitants of Star Carr is obviously a good starting point. Problem is the descendants of both of these arrived in the UK on small boats a few hundred years previous to this and were part of the larger Western European Hunter Gatherer Group prior to their arrival on this island.
When you think about it deeper, the next wave of people are the neolithic farmers who arrive roughly 6000 years ago. But they would also share their genetics with the Western European Hunter Gatherer Group who they are directly descended from.
That's before you get anywhere near the controversial subject of the identification of ancient DNA.. | | | |
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