| Sam Morsy 17:54 - Aug 9 with 4098 views | quad |
We appear to not be willing to sell Broadhead for a fee rumoured to be in the region of 7 million YET and holding out for a higher transfer fee for Omari (maybe 40 mill?)
Understandable considering the loss of quality players such as Delap, Morsy, Axel and Burgess which has left our squad short in certain areas, especially in CM and striker. AAH is fine as 3rd choice IMO (wish Akpom would sign soon as making me anxious).
Which begs the question, why was Morsy allowed to leave so easily? I think that he still had a year left on his contract and I don't think we even received a fee for him.
Obviously I've got nothing but admiration for Morsy and everything he did for the club and everything he helped us achieve, however it seems a bit foolish of the club to allow him to go until we had more CM signings in place, even with Cajuste back on loan.
Taylor does not appear to be good enough, not sure if Humphreys is a decent enough 3rd CM or not. Otherwise it just leaves us with Cajuste and Matusiwa which surely isn't going to be enough. My only thought is that the club thought that the signing of HH was nailed on, in which case it's backfired big time IMO.
So my question is why has Morsy been treated differently to other players? |  | | |  |
| Sam Morsy on 19:55 - Aug 9 with 582 views | Wakh |
| Sam Morsy on 19:45 - Aug 9 by pointofblue |
Whilst I apprecaite your argument, I think football is a very unusual beast compared to the rest fot he working world. This may change if the latest court case brought against FIFA is successful.
I can see the argument there is equal risk for Town as well as Broadhead but withholding on the deal and playing him. If he picks up an injury, we lose out on a lot of money (relatively speaking) for a player in the last year of his contract, as well as Broadhead's return to Wales from a personal level. In comparison, the risk with Morsy's is all on him. We weren't looking to make something on him, and were happy enough for him to move on. Saying that, Morsy strikes me as someone who would also understand the club's position and the need to have strength in depth heading into the season. |
Yes of course. But in the case of Broadhead (And we dont even know the situation) If the club had decided to take the risk then that's their choice.
In the case of Sam, i would say it would be hard to find a guy with such integrity. Of course he would understand the club's needs. However, he has a family too. Now I love my role and my club to bits; I would run through a brick wall for it, but I would die for my family. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:57]
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| Sam Morsy on 19:56 - Aug 9 with 568 views | pointofblue |
| Sam Morsy on 19:50 - Aug 9 by Nutkins_Return |
I can't think of a worse scenario then, after all he has done for our football club, digging our heels in and having Morsy falling out with the club when he has a once in a lifetime opportunity. It just wouldn't have been the right thing to do. I fully respect the decision we took and it should focus minds on getting the right players in. In theory it should be a slight negative for a few games but on the pitch we had to make the transition.
I do agree for short term it's not ideal. But it was still the right thing. His replacement is int he building. We now have Jens and we will get one more. |
I see what you mean to that extent, but it could be argued Morsy has done no more than any of the League One group to get us where we are now. However we're holding Broadhead up, for example, from leaving until we have cover. Players will put themselves first, rightly. The club ought to do the same, but this decision seemed to have little to no benefit to Town. | |
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| Sam Morsy on 20:09 - Aug 9 with 529 views | quad |
| Sam Morsy on 19:50 - Aug 9 by Nutkins_Return |
I can't think of a worse scenario then, after all he has done for our football club, digging our heels in and having Morsy falling out with the club when he has a once in a lifetime opportunity. It just wouldn't have been the right thing to do. I fully respect the decision we took and it should focus minds on getting the right players in. In theory it should be a slight negative for a few games but on the pitch we had to make the transition.
I do agree for short term it's not ideal. But it was still the right thing. His replacement is int he building. We now have Jens and we will get one more. |
Who is the one more player who is good enough and available though? Unless we can perform a minor miracle and sign Josh Brownhill, there don't seem to be too many other decent options out there. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 20:12 - Aug 9 with 514 views | quad |
| Sam Morsy on 20:09 - Aug 9 by quad |
Who is the one more player who is good enough and available though? Unless we can perform a minor miracle and sign Josh Brownhill, there don't seem to be too many other decent options out there. |
However we sugarcoat it, Hayden Hackney not signing is a massive kick in the teeth. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 20:21 - Aug 9 with 485 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Sam Morsy on 20:12 - Aug 9 by quad |
However we sugarcoat it, Hayden Hackney not signing is a massive kick in the teeth. |
Hayden Hackney hasn't signed yet. Don't be surprised if he's pictured holding the shirt if a Premier League club doesn't come in by deadline day. |  |
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| Sam Morsy on 20:22 - Aug 9 with 483 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Sam Morsy on 18:15 - Aug 9 by pointofblue |
A midfielder is here. We could easily argue he's the replacement for Phillips. Or Luongo. Or Cajuste, as he's only just returned himself. There is no question we are very light in central midfield. Too light. |
Matusiwa’s stats suggest he’s very similar to Morsy, but slightly better rated in almost all parameters. People are judging him on one competitive game, a game that was hyped for a whole range of reasons.
He needs to be given a few games to acclimatise, and then he should be judged. On paper he will be Morsy+ for us. Only time will tell, but rather than writing him off as a suitable replacement for Morsy, maybe give him a few games to settle in and show us what he’s capable off. He showed some of it in pre-season, and some glimpses last night too. The whole team was off the pace for much of last night. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 20:28 - Aug 9 with 472 views | victorysquad |
Pretty sure we are building a team that is better equipped to play in the prem | |
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| Sam Morsy on 20:29 - Aug 9 with 467 views | pointofblue |
| Sam Morsy on 20:22 - Aug 9 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Matusiwa’s stats suggest he’s very similar to Morsy, but slightly better rated in almost all parameters. People are judging him on one competitive game, a game that was hyped for a whole range of reasons.
He needs to be given a few games to acclimatise, and then he should be judged. On paper he will be Morsy+ for us. Only time will tell, but rather than writing him off as a suitable replacement for Morsy, maybe give him a few games to settle in and show us what he’s capable off. He showed some of it in pre-season, and some glimpses last night too. The whole team was off the pace for much of last night. |
I'm not writing Matusiwa off as Morsy's replacement. In sheer numbers, him alone was not enough to let Morsy go without having at least one other through the door. It's not about Matusiwa's skillset; it's about lack of depth across the position. What's our solution, for example, if Matusiwa picks up an injury? | |
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| Sam Morsy on 20:35 - Aug 9 with 460 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Sam Morsy on 20:29 - Aug 9 by pointofblue |
I'm not writing Matusiwa off as Morsy's replacement. In sheer numbers, him alone was not enough to let Morsy go without having at least one other through the door. It's not about Matusiwa's skillset; it's about lack of depth across the position. What's our solution, for example, if Matusiwa picks up an injury? |
Fair enough, and I agree. I also expect one significant CM in before the window closes, so won’t be panicking until then, if we don’t have someone suitable in. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 20:36 - Aug 9 with 459 views | quad |
| Sam Morsy on 20:21 - Aug 9 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Hayden Hackney hasn't signed yet. Don't be surprised if he's pictured holding the shirt if a Premier League club doesn't come in by deadline day. |
Fair point. I really hope so. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 20:36 - Aug 9 with 457 views | Wakh |
| Sam Morsy on 20:12 - Aug 9 by quad |
However we sugarcoat it, Hayden Hackney not signing is a massive kick in the teeth. |
It is a kick in the teeth, but i wouldn't go as far as saying it is a 'massive' kick in the teeth. Hackney has a new agent and I am sure he wants to buy some time. I would say it might not be over yet and the club probably expected an initial rejection in that situation. Think we've played it pretty smart though. If the rumoured salary is true a PL club has to really want him rather than just bolster their ranks with him.
The market the club is shopping in was always going to be towards the end of the window. The next Hutchinson was always going to be assessed by their parent club during a preseason.
I am sure we expected the current squad to be more than capable of holding the fort until the reinforcements arrive. However, injuries and approaches have piled on some pressure. There is still some talent to arrive, we know that, and the business model needs there to be. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 20:43 - Aug 9 with 441 views | HairBearBunch |
| Sam Morsy on 20:28 - Aug 9 by victorysquad |
Pretty sure we are building a team that is better equipped to play in the prem |
well hopefully Prem equipped - but in that case Hackney doesn't really match the 'more physical' player type the club have been on about. 5' 8" according to wiki
If we get him, great, I'm sure KmcK knows better than anyone else. But physically we do seem to be constantly going for - er - lighter players.
And getting rid of the muscle too (Morsy, Burgess) |  | | |
| Sam Morsy on 20:47 - Aug 9 with 430 views | Wakh |
| Sam Morsy on 20:43 - Aug 9 by HairBearBunch |
well hopefully Prem equipped - but in that case Hackney doesn't really match the 'more physical' player type the club have been on about. 5' 8" according to wiki
If we get him, great, I'm sure KmcK knows better than anyone else. But physically we do seem to be constantly going for - er - lighter players.
And getting rid of the muscle too (Morsy, Burgess) |
Morsey is tiny. I cant be arsed to check, but i would be surprised if he is any taller than 5'8. Pretty sure Hackney would be taller TBH. [Post edited 9 Aug 20:49]
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| Sam Morsy on 20:50 - Aug 9 with 418 views | braveblue |
As a reward. Led the club to two promotions. We didn’t want to offer a longer contract. Left on good terms. Best captain for many years. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 20:56 - Aug 9 with 395 views | NthQldITFC |
| Sam Morsy on 18:13 - Aug 9 by TractorJack |
The club has put his interests first, seemingly as pay back for what he contributed. What I don't understand is surely Morsy would have had a similar offer this time next year? |
Probably not - he's gone to Saudi as the captain of a recently Premier League club. Wouldn't have had the same negotiating power next season. Although he'd probably be the captain of a soon to be Premier League club, so I've just shot my own argument out of the water!
Oh, I know, he'd be 34 not 33. |  |
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| Sam Morsy on 21:16 - Aug 9 with 344 views | quad |
| Sam Morsy on 20:36 - Aug 9 by Wakh |
It is a kick in the teeth, but i wouldn't go as far as saying it is a 'massive' kick in the teeth. Hackney has a new agent and I am sure he wants to buy some time. I would say it might not be over yet and the club probably expected an initial rejection in that situation. Think we've played it pretty smart though. If the rumoured salary is true a PL club has to really want him rather than just bolster their ranks with him.
The market the club is shopping in was always going to be towards the end of the window. The next Hutchinson was always going to be assessed by their parent club during a preseason.
I am sure we expected the current squad to be more than capable of holding the fort until the reinforcements arrive. However, injuries and approaches have piled on some pressure. There is still some talent to arrive, we know that, and the business model needs there to be. |
You're probably right. I'm just hoping that we get a couple of quality signings in before the transfer market closes. One forwards and one CM. I would class Akpom as one of them. Makes me nervous that it seems to have been dragging on so long, but hopefully will be announced soon.
Like you say, injuries and approaches haven't helped things. And even if we make those signings they are going to take time to gel and fit in with the system. Don't want to miss out on promotion by the smallest of margins, and got a feeling that every point will matter and it will go down to the wire.
I wouldn't say I have full on wet the bed yet, just maybe a little damp.  | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 13:03 - Aug 10 with 155 views | positivity |
| Sam Morsy on 20:43 - Aug 9 by HairBearBunch |
well hopefully Prem equipped - but in that case Hackney doesn't really match the 'more physical' player type the club have been on about. 5' 8" according to wiki
If we get him, great, I'm sure KmcK knows better than anyone else. But physically we do seem to be constantly going for - er - lighter players.
And getting rid of the muscle too (Morsy, Burgess) |
getting rid of muscle by replacing burgess with kipre?! odd statement! | |
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| Sam Morsy on 13:07 - Aug 10 with 131 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Sam Morsy on 19:56 - Aug 9 by pointofblue |
I see what you mean to that extent, but it could be argued Morsy has done no more than any of the League One group to get us where we are now. However we're holding Broadhead up, for example, from leaving until we have cover. Players will put themselves first, rightly. The club ought to do the same, but this decision seemed to have little to no benefit to Town. |
I'd love to see someone trying to make that argument. I don't think you would find a single player make that argument. In and off the pitch, football wise and leadership wise he has been incredible. And the context of him turning 34 in that engine room position is very different to Broady for example. | |
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| Sam Morsy on 13:12 - Aug 10 with 111 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Sam Morsy on 20:09 - Aug 9 by quad |
Who is the one more player who is good enough and available though? Unless we can perform a minor miracle and sign Josh Brownhill, there don't seem to be too many other decent options out there. |
Well we know who some of the targets were but I doubt I will guess who it will be if Hackney is not joining. For me we would stump up for someone like Sheaf or similar who would be brilliant (note Sheaf is probably a non starter as believe he went off injured) but just saying there are people out there who would be exactly what we need.
I didn't see Akpom or Azor coming for example. There will be loads of discussions with players/agents/clubs that haven't reached us yet. They don't have to be 'available'. Just within persuasion budget. Now we have Jens I'd take Travis but would prefer a level or so above if it's doable. We just have back ups if not further down the list | |
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