| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork 08:31 - Aug 13 with 1889 views | Cotty |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:35 - Aug 13 with 1352 views | blueasfook |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:36 - Aug 13 with 1319 views | BseaBlue |
To be fair, KM is normally very systematic and calm in his approach and not one to say things on emotion so you can only think he has provided that information for a reason. He could have carried on the 'injury/illness' story easily enough but chose not too. |  | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:38 - Aug 13 with 1299 views | homer_123 |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:35 - Aug 13 by blueasfook |
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As an aside, I would hope your manager would be sympathetic to your personal wellbeing, if you did ask such a question and were struggling.
Or do we stay with the 'Man up' shtick?
EDIT: there is a big difference, obviously, between genuine mental health issues and just wanting to move football clubs. [Post edited 13 Aug 8:38]
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:41 - Aug 13 with 1241 views | Reuser_is_God |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:38 - Aug 13 by homer_123 |
As an aside, I would hope your manager would be sympathetic to your personal wellbeing, if you did ask such a question and were struggling.
Or do we stay with the 'Man up' shtick?
EDIT: there is a big difference, obviously, between genuine mental health issues and just wanting to move football clubs. [Post edited 13 Aug 8:38]
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Your edit is bang on.
He’s absolutely fine, if he wasn’t McKenna wouldn’t have said what he said last night. |  |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:43 - Aug 13 with 1203 views | FrimleyBlue |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:35 - Aug 13 by blueasfook |
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Phrase it a different way
Boss, another company wants me, I want to go but ive got my notice period. btw i don't fancy work today, but i still want to get paid, thanks |  |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:48 - Aug 13 with 1162 views | blueasfook |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:41 - Aug 13 by Reuser_is_God |
Your edit is bang on.
He’s absolutely fine, if he wasn’t McKenna wouldn’t have said what he said last night. |
He just wants out so he's basically given up here. Just keep fining him for every game he refuses to play in and let him go at the first opportunity. | |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:48 - Aug 13 with 1163 views | bsw72 |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:35 - Aug 13 by blueasfook |
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I'm pretty sure I could email my boss with my resignation to change jobs, and then come to an agreement on how and when I can move.
That after all is what Omari is after . . . however footballers are not treated like standard employees.
Therefore your comparison is a bit of a moot point. |  | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:49 - Aug 13 with 1128 views | Metal_Hacker |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:43 - Aug 13 by FrimleyBlue |
Phrase it a different way
Boss, another company wants me, I want to go but ive got my notice period. btw i don't fancy work today, but i still want to get paid, thanks |
Take the profession out of the equation and essentially that's it in a nutshell
Employee and employer having a stand off , or so it seems
Either way this needs resolving and perhaps it's not being resolved sooner rather than later because we're waiting for his replacement to become available and OH is taking the flack. There's always two sides to the story but for me if we are waiting for OH's replacement to become available whether it be Doak or whoever and for whatever reason , I think OH should still get game time even if it's restricted to manage the asset - yep it's a gamble and both parties have to comply and both run the risk but ultimately the player is paid by the club and more importantly paid by it's fans |  |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:50 - Aug 13 with 1124 views | blueasfook |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:48 - Aug 13 by bsw72 |
I'm pretty sure I could email my boss with my resignation to change jobs, and then come to an agreement on how and when I can move.
That after all is what Omari is after . . . however footballers are not treated like standard employees.
Therefore your comparison is a bit of a moot point. |
I have changed jobs plenty of times and handled it professionally by giving 100% to my employer until the day I leave. As it stands, Omari doesn't have a "new job" to go to but is refusing to play anyway. | |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:51 - Aug 13 with 1103 views | FrimleyBlue |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:49 - Aug 13 by Metal_Hacker |
Take the profession out of the equation and essentially that's it in a nutshell
Employee and employer having a stand off , or so it seems
Either way this needs resolving and perhaps it's not being resolved sooner rather than later because we're waiting for his replacement to become available and OH is taking the flack. There's always two sides to the story but for me if we are waiting for OH's replacement to become available whether it be Doak or whoever and for whatever reason , I think OH should still get game time even if it's restricted to manage the asset - yep it's a gamble and both parties have to comply and both run the risk but ultimately the player is paid by the club and more importantly paid by it's fans |
I actually think it's more about getting the value we want over waiting on a replacement, afterall it's easy to replace a player who won't actually play.
I just don't think any bids have come in that actually meet what we want. | |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:52 - Aug 13 with 1106 views | Plums |
Some of the grammar and spelling is interesting too.
It's amazing how opinionated people are these days, especially when they have little information on which to base their opinion. |  |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:54 - Aug 13 with 1068 views | BseaBlue |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:49 - Aug 13 by Metal_Hacker |
Take the profession out of the equation and essentially that's it in a nutshell
Employee and employer having a stand off , or so it seems
Either way this needs resolving and perhaps it's not being resolved sooner rather than later because we're waiting for his replacement to become available and OH is taking the flack. There's always two sides to the story but for me if we are waiting for OH's replacement to become available whether it be Doak or whoever and for whatever reason , I think OH should still get game time even if it's restricted to manage the asset - yep it's a gamble and both parties have to comply and both run the risk but ultimately the player is paid by the club and more importantly paid by it's fans |
Football is a crazy industry though isnt it! We've paid £20 million quid for him and agreed to clause where he could leave under conditions which his agent wasn't good enough to get another club to pay for him.
Said condition expires and our asset we spent £20 million quid on refuses to play (Probably under guidance of said agent if you take KM's comments into the equation)
Obviously, I'd imagine we don't have to pay him (as any employer would if an employee refuses to go to work) but the difference being that most employers in any other industry haven't had to pay £20 milion to get them there in the first place!
Hopefully KM has put this out into the public domain to get it rectified quickly. | | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:56 - Aug 13 with 1023 views | Cotty |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:35 - Aug 13 by blueasfook |
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Honestly, I think he'd tell me to take some time off. | | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:57 - Aug 13 with 1011 views | pointofblue |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:36 - Aug 13 by BseaBlue |
To be fair, KM is normally very systematic and calm in his approach and not one to say things on emotion so you can only think he has provided that information for a reason. He could have carried on the 'injury/illness' story easily enough but chose not too. |
It feels... I'm not sure if the word. But one minute it's a case of Hutchinson refusing to play, then a sore throat, now refusing to play again. Did he change his mind, and then change it back again? Or did McKenna go from calling him out, to protecting him, then calling him out again? |  |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:58 - Aug 13 with 994 views | Swansea_Blue |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:35 - Aug 13 by blueasfook |
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I’m pretty sure Cotty would be able to do that and be absolutely fine. But your point stands for most people. |  |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:58 - Aug 13 with 992 views | bsw72 |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:50 - Aug 13 by blueasfook |
I have changed jobs plenty of times and handled it professionally by giving 100% to my employer until the day I leave. As it stands, Omari doesn't have a "new job" to go to but is refusing to play anyway. |
Still missing the point as footballers are treated differently - have you ever had your resignation turned down, so you can't move to your next / dream job? How would that make you feel?
He is wanted by at least 2 other employers, but his opportunity is being blocked by the club.
I am not saying I agree with what he is doing, but people drawing comparisons to how their day to day jobs function is completely irrelevant. | | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:04 - Aug 13 with 887 views | Cotty |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:58 - Aug 13 by Swansea_Blue |
I’m pretty sure Cotty would be able to do that and be absolutely fine. But your point stands for most people. |
The truth is I wouldn't even need to email him as he wouldn't notice the difference | | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:06 - Aug 13 with 877 views | blueasfook |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:58 - Aug 13 by bsw72 |
Still missing the point as footballers are treated differently - have you ever had your resignation turned down, so you can't move to your next / dream job? How would that make you feel?
He is wanted by at least 2 other employers, but his opportunity is being blocked by the club.
I am not saying I agree with what he is doing, but people drawing comparisons to how their day to day jobs function is completely irrelevant. |
I am not sure it so different. He has a contract with his employer (the club) like any of us - in that contract will be duties like training and playing I would hope!
And i don't think the club are blocking his move in any case. It's simply that the initial Brentford offer was not accepted because it comprised of instalments over a year or two which the club doesn't want. If they came back with an offer with most of the cash up front, I would think the club would accept. | |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:15 - Aug 13 with 799 views | Jrm_72 |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:06 - Aug 13 by blueasfook |
I am not sure it so different. He has a contract with his employer (the club) like any of us - in that contract will be duties like training and playing I would hope!
And i don't think the club are blocking his move in any case. It's simply that the initial Brentford offer was not accepted because it comprised of instalments over a year or two which the club doesn't want. If they came back with an offer with most of the cash up front, I would think the club would accept. |
Football is also different in that Omari will take a fortnight to earn my yearly salary (I'm obviously guessing here).
It's fairly common to negotiate away key employment rights in exchange for higher than normal renumeration. As part of voluntary redundancy agreements for example. Difference is it's not case by case but industry wide. Any footballer knows going in that's the price of entry to the most lucrative field of work in the world. He knows the score as it were. | | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:41 - Aug 13 with 721 views | Guthrum |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:51 - Aug 13 by FrimleyBlue |
I actually think it's more about getting the value we want over waiting on a replacement, afterall it's easy to replace a player who won't actually play.
I just don't think any bids have come in that actually meet what we want. |
I think this is spot on. It's not even about desperately requiring the money, more not being plundered by Prem vultures when there is no need to be. |  |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:42 - Aug 13 with 716 views | BseaBlue |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:15 - Aug 13 by Jrm_72 |
Football is also different in that Omari will take a fortnight to earn my yearly salary (I'm obviously guessing here).
It's fairly common to negotiate away key employment rights in exchange for higher than normal renumeration. As part of voluntary redundancy agreements for example. Difference is it's not case by case but industry wide. Any footballer knows going in that's the price of entry to the most lucrative field of work in the world. He knows the score as it were. |
That is my take on it. Footballers are led by well paid agents and management teams so they know exactly what they are getting in to. Its a shame that it seems to be getting more common for players to refuse to play/train. | | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:43 - Aug 13 with 698 views | FrimleyBlue |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:41 - Aug 13 by Guthrum |
I think this is spot on. It's not even about desperately requiring the money, more not being plundered by Prem vultures when there is no need to be. |
I think thats why hutch bugs me so much about this
we gave him his first loan, gave him his first season in the prem
give us the respect of being able to obtain the value we feel is suitable for your services. | |
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| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:44 - Aug 13 with 698 views | bsw72 |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:15 - Aug 13 by Jrm_72 |
Football is also different in that Omari will take a fortnight to earn my yearly salary (I'm obviously guessing here).
It's fairly common to negotiate away key employment rights in exchange for higher than normal renumeration. As part of voluntary redundancy agreements for example. Difference is it's not case by case but industry wide. Any footballer knows going in that's the price of entry to the most lucrative field of work in the world. He knows the score as it were. |
He is actually one of the lower paid 1st team players at the club - but again not really relevant.
None of us actually know the full details and the conversations that have taken place, I am just trying to take a more pragmatic view.
As for the "most lucrative field of work in the world", don't believe the hype, lots of corporate execs earn far more than 90% footballers.
£100K per week sounds a lot but is £5m per year, which is not unusual for C-Suite execs at large corporates. | | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:45 - Aug 13 with 684 views | gsoly |
I do enjoy the: 'Drag him onto the pitch and force him to play!' warriors. Because, yes, that's a guaranteed recipe for success. |  | | |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 09:46 - Aug 13 with 666 views | CastroSito |
| There are a lot of man management experts popping out of the woodwork on 08:35 - Aug 13 by blueasfook |
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Being a footballer is maybe a bit different to an accounts clerk? | | | |
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