| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea 07:55 - Aug 21 with 1922 views | FrimleyBlue |
Showing some quality levels of organisation and individual defending so far.
Questions in amongst the others in regards to the soutshmton goal. But otherwise I've felt he's been extremely solid. He's also started showing more of his historical known diag balls across the pitch.
Looking forward to seeing how he progresses over the course of the season. |  |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 07:56 - Aug 21 with 1884 views | textbackup |
He did those things as a PL defender last season. So no big surprise he can do it in the champ |  |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:04 - Aug 21 with 1808 views | SheffordBlue |
I think overall we'll have one of the strongest defences in the league.
For me the Southampton goal was just a messy transition trying to cope with Greaves starting off so far up the field. I think we'll still see him do this quite a lot and it will be a payoff similar to playing out from the back - the risk/reward will overall be worth it as it gives us an extra man in midfield at times but people will focus on when it goes wrong. |  |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:08 - Aug 21 with 1762 views | Keno |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 07:56 - Aug 21 by textbackup |
He did those things as a PL defender last season. So no big surprise he can do it in the champ |
The Southampton goal was one those 'comedy of errors' type events where
Greaves had so rampaging upfield but no one dropped back to cover (see the understated important of Loungo in promotion years)
Davis missed a tackle
Someone didnt cut the cross out
CB's/defenders didnt pick up deep runners
Palmer could have come and claimed the cross and then to nutmegged on his line
Not wishing to apportion blame, just making an observation,
- if greaves plays Hirst in to score its a wonderfully inspired run we all applaud
- if he lays a simple pass off to Taylor in mid field we probably dont concede
of such are fine margins |  |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:13 - Aug 21 with 1694 views | textbackup |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:08 - Aug 21 by Keno |
The Southampton goal was one those 'comedy of errors' type events where
Greaves had so rampaging upfield but no one dropped back to cover (see the understated important of Loungo in promotion years)
Davis missed a tackle
Someone didnt cut the cross out
CB's/defenders didnt pick up deep runners
Palmer could have come and claimed the cross and then to nutmegged on his line
Not wishing to apportion blame, just making an observation,
- if greaves plays Hirst in to score its a wonderfully inspired run we all applaud
- if he lays a simple pass off to Taylor in mid field we probably dont concede
of such are fine margins |
3 times Greaves is mentioned in this… I just don’t see how he’s here and Burgess isn’t. (Well I do, he cost £15/18m) | |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:43 - Aug 21 with 1476 views | Garv |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:04 - Aug 21 by SheffordBlue |
I think overall we'll have one of the strongest defences in the league.
For me the Southampton goal was just a messy transition trying to cope with Greaves starting off so far up the field. I think we'll still see him do this quite a lot and it will be a payoff similar to playing out from the back - the risk/reward will overall be worth it as it gives us an extra man in midfield at times but people will focus on when it goes wrong. |
Without wanting to dig Davis out too much it didn't help him over committing and getting stuck in no man's land.
It's quite noticable now similar their goal was on Sunday compared to the Aribo goal in 23/24 in the part Davis played in it. He just needs to drop in that scenario and defend. Both times he tried to nick the ball and both times got caught. |  |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:43 - Aug 21 with 1469 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:13 - Aug 21 by textbackup |
3 times Greaves is mentioned in this… I just don’t see how he’s here and Burgess isn’t. (Well I do, he cost £15/18m) |
Ha yes. And some think woolfenden is worth a few million in comparison. | | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:45 - Aug 21 with 1454 views | TractorJack |
Yeah he's made the individual defending look easy so far. Interested to see if he can be a bit braver on the ball when we have more possession against the lesser sides. |  | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:09 - Aug 21 with 1322 views | bluesym |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:13 - Aug 21 by textbackup |
3 times Greaves is mentioned in this… I just don’t see how he’s here and Burgess isn’t. (Well I do, he cost £15/18m) |
Greaves worries me. He just looks half a yard off it at times and just seems to be shrugged off and turned fairly easy at times too. |  |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:20 - Aug 21 with 1232 views | DavoIPB |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:09 - Aug 21 by bluesym |
Greaves worries me. He just looks half a yard off it at times and just seems to be shrugged off and turned fairly easy at times too. |
He is still a really good defender though. All players make the odd mistakes, it sticks out when defender or goal keeper make one. He is fine at this level but think we need to upgrade of go up. | | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:20 - Aug 21 with 1235 views | Clutch |
Greaves is better than Burgess. |  | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:27 - Aug 21 with 1176 views | pointofblue |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:43 - Aug 21 by PrideOfTheEast |
Ha yes. And some think woolfenden is worth a few million in comparison. |
Compared to Greaves? Can see why.
Edit: Sorry, think I misread what you meant! You think Woolfenden is worth more than a few million if that's what we paid for Greaves. [Post edited 21 Aug 9:28]
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:40 - Aug 21 with 1076 views | Scuzzer |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:20 - Aug 21 by Clutch |
Greaves is better than Burgess. |
Don't agree. |  |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:42 - Aug 21 with 1058 views | TractorJack |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:09 - Aug 21 by bluesym |
Greaves worries me. He just looks half a yard off it at times and just seems to be shrugged off and turned fairly easy at times too. |
I do rate him overall and think he will improve but yeah I often get the sense watching him that's he isn't always fully in control of his body. | | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:46 - Aug 21 with 1014 views | dirtyboy |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:40 - Aug 21 by Scuzzer |
Don't agree. |
In a world where numbers are used to determine how good a player is, Greaves is better. Whether he passes an opinion on the ‘look test’ is another matter. |  | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:49 - Aug 21 with 986 views | textbackup |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:20 - Aug 21 by Clutch |
Greaves is better than Burgess. |
I’m yet to see a single thing he’s better at.
I want him to be btw
What aspects of JG game stand out for you (vs CB) as I’d genuinely like to watch for those [Post edited 21 Aug 9:55]
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:55 - Aug 21 with 912 views | pointofblue |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:46 - Aug 21 by dirtyboy |
In a world where numbers are used to determine how good a player is, Greaves is better. Whether he passes an opinion on the ‘look test’ is another matter. |
I still thinks Greaves looks better with Woolfenden and Burgess looked better with O'Shea. Someone brought up the point that may be O'Shea and Greaves want to cover the same role, which means one of them is being pushed out of their comfort zone whereas, when with one of the others, they compliment each other better. | |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 10:28 - Aug 21 with 781 views | badadski |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:13 - Aug 21 by textbackup |
3 times Greaves is mentioned in this… I just don’t see how he’s here and Burgess isn’t. (Well I do, he cost £15/18m) |
I don’t mind centre backs driving forwards and taking a risk - that’s what we are all bemoaning, so static, sideways, backwards etc. If he had got past the man and gone job a bramblesque rampage he could have created or scored but was tackled. I applaud him for trying and hope he continues to do so but some one in midfield recognising what to do when it happens again and drop back. | | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 10:41 - Aug 21 with 719 views | Garv |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:20 - Aug 21 by Clutch |
Greaves is better than Burgess. |
I think he might prove to be this season.
Burgess was the better performer out of the two last season, though. Greaves' game time was almost completely with the Championship in mind, in my opinion. Same reason Philogene was getting games ahead of Nathan Broadhead - it wasn't because they were in better form or offering the team more. | |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 11:23 - Aug 21 with 604 views | Everydayblue |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 10:41 - Aug 21 by Garv |
I think he might prove to be this season.
Burgess was the better performer out of the two last season, though. Greaves' game time was almost completely with the Championship in mind, in my opinion. Same reason Philogene was getting games ahead of Nathan Broadhead - it wasn't because they were in better form or offering the team more. |
Burgess (one of my favourite players from the old squad, btw), was all over the place when he first came here. Lacked mobility and pace. And got caught on the break numerous times. And that was at L1 level.
Wasn't until Luongo started playing in front of him that he really settled and grew in confidence... Right now we don't have that level of experience at CDM in front of the back four. So, until we are truly settled again, as a unit. We may see the odd defensive lapse, imo.
Greaves was the standout CB in our last season in Champ'. Good in the air, clean tackler, pace and can carry the ball if needed. Not to mention that he has age on his side..
All of the lads lack a bit of confidence atm. We get that first win with a clean sheet. And we start seeing the levels go up a notch..
Agree with OP. We have a seriously good back four at this level. | | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 11:44 - Aug 21 with 550 views | BlueForYou |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:20 - Aug 21 by Clutch |
Greaves is better than Burgess. |
Burgess by far the better player. |  | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 11:54 - Aug 21 with 524 views | Steve_M |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:09 - Aug 21 by bluesym |
Greaves worries me. He just looks half a yard off it at times and just seems to be shrugged off and turned fairly easy at times too. |
TBF Burgess was lumbering around in the fog at Oxford as recently as January 2023 and then had a phenomenal 18 months. It helped him that when he did play last season he wasn't drained from playing every week.
Plenty of time for Greaves to come good, that he got int he PFA divisional team for the Championship in 23-24 shows he has that ability. I think it's a bit of a confidence thing from last season, he looked very good defensively at left back but his decision making was easier there. |  |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 12:16 - Aug 21 with 468 views | stonojnr |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 09:40 - Aug 21 by Scuzzer |
Don't agree. |
which is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.
Greaves is/was the better of the two imo.
always makes me smile that game he got subbed at half time for Burgess, that everyone cites as showing how bad he is, yet Burgess went on to make as many comedy errors in the 2nd half, and yet people were giving him MoM style praise instead.
people have their favourites, much like our goalie/midfielder situation, the players that got us promoted tend to be forgiven for things that the players we bought more recently get absolutely hammered for. | | | |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 12:24 - Aug 21 with 426 views | bournemouthblue |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 08:08 - Aug 21 by Keno |
The Southampton goal was one those 'comedy of errors' type events where
Greaves had so rampaging upfield but no one dropped back to cover (see the understated important of Loungo in promotion years)
Davis missed a tackle
Someone didnt cut the cross out
CB's/defenders didnt pick up deep runners
Palmer could have come and claimed the cross and then to nutmegged on his line
Not wishing to apportion blame, just making an observation,
- if greaves plays Hirst in to score its a wonderfully inspired run we all applaud
- if he lays a simple pass off to Taylor in mid field we probably dont concede
of such are fine margins |
We never quite recovered from the mistake but Johnson was ball watching and didn't at least try and get close to the goalscorer when it did come into the box, whether it was his man or not, he was a statue there and probably not the only one in fairness to him, he looked the man closest at least |  |
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| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 12:28 - Aug 21 with 398 views | FrimleyBlue |
| So forgetting transfers for a second. Oshea on 12:24 - Aug 21 by bournemouthblue |
We never quite recovered from the mistake but Johnson was ball watching and didn't at least try and get close to the goalscorer when it did come into the box, whether it was his man or not, he was a statue there and probably not the only one in fairness to him, he looked the man closest at least |
Tbf KM could show that goal back and point out about 8 failures. Taylor should never have tucked in when there was already two town players together leaving the crosser free for the easy pass. Those mentioned already then when you look further you've got ivor not really picking up anyone. Clarke J didn't really bust a move to get into the box when he may have seen the danger..
One of those collective errors really. | |
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