| This Ethiopian migrant trial 21:46 - Aug 26 with 3210 views | Zx1988 |
Would it be getting quite the same degree of coverage if it had been a white British chap from Stoke?
I absolutely despise our media sometimes. |  |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:06 - Aug 27 with 590 views | positivity |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 12:56 - Aug 27 by Whos_blue |
I won't access the links out of principle, but it does seem that way doesn't it?
No one is blind to the issues surrounding migration or asylum but being an asylum seeker does seem to have disproportionately influenced the coverage of this story.
If he is guilty, his guilt shouldn't be enhanced by his ethnic background nor his asylum status in my opinion. |
and if the white guy wasn't famous would it be anywhere near the express? | |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:12 - Aug 27 with 577 views | Trequartista |
I think this is due to the fact its in Epping, where there are protests, rather than race. I think if it was an asylum seeker in a random place with no protests, it wouldn't be at the top of the news. |  |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:17 - Aug 27 with 531 views | Fenland_Blue |
Good grief, what has happened to this forum?
It’s no wonder poor old Phil is bald. |  |
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| Stop being so sensible. (n/t) on 13:21 - Aug 27 with 507 views | Bloots |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:12 - Aug 27 by Trequartista |
I think this is due to the fact its in Epping, where there are protests, rather than race. I think if it was an asylum seeker in a random place with no protests, it wouldn't be at the top of the news. |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:23 - Aug 27 with 501 views | DJR |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 12:34 - Aug 27 by positivity |
kind of proves the point.
ethiopian asylum seeker alleged sex offender is main story in the express, white guy alleged sex offender is not on the main page at all, hidden away in tv and showbiz.
two-tier reporting? |
I posted this (from Private Eye) about the Express a couple of weeks ago.
"Jones was let go last September as part of Reach's cull of its entire roster of national editors, who had an inconvenient habit of standing up for another principle - that actual journalism was preferable to clickbait. And with old-school racism proving one of the biggest draws online, there are no such qualms on the digital-first Express.
A number of reporters recently made it clear to management they are unhappy about having to churn out negative story after negative story about migrants and add fuel to incidents like last week's rioting outside a hotel housing asylum seekers in Epping - and were told in no uncertain terms to shut up and get on with it."
EDIT: Reach also owns the Mirror, so I don't think it is promoting anti-migrant stories in the Express because of Reach's particular political stance, as opposed to the traditional political stance of the newspaper (the Express) it brought under its wing, But the rest of the right wing media (much of it owned by non-doms) is doing the same for both political and commercial reasons.
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:24 - Aug 27 with 497 views | BluedanW |
I think the main issue here is he had only been in the UK 8 days and he is already up to this behaviour. it just highlights the lack of checks that are being carried out on these people. He must have a history of sexual deviancy over his 40 odd years of life. he literally said he doesn't care about her age. black, white, Ethiopian or English the media have the right to report on trials involving perverts who are dangerous to our children. A poor 17 year old Dutch girl was murdered last week for daring to refuse the advances of a migrant. This bloke could do the same thing if left to his own devices. | | | |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:33 - Aug 27 with 490 views | blueasfook |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:12 - Aug 27 by Trequartista |
I think this is due to the fact its in Epping, where there are protests, rather than race. I think if it was an asylum seeker in a random place with no protests, it wouldn't be at the top of the news. |
Isn't this the actual incident that started the protests (in Epping at least)?
Imagine local people being incensed that sex offenders are being moved into their area. They should just be quiet and get on with it. But not if they're white guys. We need more reporting on white guy sex offending. |  |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:36 - Aug 27 with 477 views | iamatractorboy |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:33 - Aug 27 by blueasfook |
Isn't this the actual incident that started the protests (in Epping at least)?
Imagine local people being incensed that sex offenders are being moved into their area. They should just be quiet and get on with it. But not if they're white guys. We need more reporting on white guy sex offending. |
I'd never realised the 'anti-sex offender' flag was white with a red cross on it. The things you learn. | | | |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:49 - Aug 27 with 429 views | blueasfook |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:36 - Aug 27 by iamatractorboy |
I'd never realised the 'anti-sex offender' flag was white with a red cross on it. The things you learn. |
Yeah let's make patriotism the real issue here. | |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:54 - Aug 27 with 405 views | bartyg |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:49 - Aug 27 by blueasfook |
Yeah let's make patriotism the real issue here. |
You deny that the far right use the St George's cross as a dogwhistle?
I'm not particularly patriotic but obviously the fact that it's only ever used in either the context of a) sports or b) xenophobic activity is a problem. Solutions on a postcard |  | | |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:54 - Aug 27 with 401 views | iamatractorboy |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:49 - Aug 27 by blueasfook |
Yeah let's make patriotism the real issue here. |
You just said the locals are concerned about sex offenders (which is per se obviously fine and reasonable). I'm pointing out that waving England flags (or crosses of St George if you prefer) has got nothing to do with that and clearly suggests ulterior motives. | | | |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:56 - Aug 27 with 382 views | J2BLUE |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:54 - Aug 27 by bartyg |
You deny that the far right use the St George's cross as a dogwhistle?
I'm not particularly patriotic but obviously the fact that it's only ever used in either the context of a) sports or b) xenophobic activity is a problem. Solutions on a postcard |
Perhaps people like you should stop letting them claim it? |  |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:58 - Aug 27 with 365 views | bartyg |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:56 - Aug 27 by J2BLUE |
Perhaps people like you should stop letting them claim it? |
Why's the onus on me brother | | | |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 14:06 - Aug 27 with 320 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:56 - Aug 27 by J2BLUE |
Perhaps people like you should stop letting them claim it? |
Remind me not to click on this crap anymore, this thread is such a car crash just like the original OP wanted.
When the first post is angry about reporting on a factual court case and brings up imaginary white guys from Stoke of course it would turn into a debate about the flag and such.
No actual reasoned or intelligent discussion on why it would be important fix the asylum system so you could properly vet and screen people coming into the country, which is clearly relevant here. |  |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 14:11 - Aug 27 with 286 views | J2BLUE |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:58 - Aug 27 by bartyg |
Why's the onus on me brother |
Refuse to see it as their symbol. They do not own it and I don't want our national flag so easily given up for them to use it for whatever meaning they want. It's our flag, it represents the country of England, nothing more, nothing less. Therefore its use during sports event is perfectly practical. Its use by easily led idiots only has meaning if we choose to allow them to use it like that. | |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 14:39 - Aug 27 with 248 views | reusersfreekicks |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:33 - Aug 27 by blueasfook |
Isn't this the actual incident that started the protests (in Epping at least)?
Imagine local people being incensed that sex offenders are being moved into their area. They should just be quiet and get on with it. But not if they're white guys. We need more reporting on white guy sex offending. |
Oh come on
The local protests were supplemented by bussed in far right sh1t stirrers as I would hope you well know
There must be probation hostels all over the country housing such people
But hey they are not the current targets of stirred up hatred |  | | |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 15:07 - Aug 27 with 201 views | blueasfook |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 14:39 - Aug 27 by reusersfreekicks |
Oh come on
The local protests were supplemented by bussed in far right sh1t stirrers as I would hope you well know
There must be probation hostels all over the country housing such people
But hey they are not the current targets of stirred up hatred |
The people in probation hostels would be under strict conditions and closely monitored I would think. Hardlly a fair comparison to undocumented migrants allowed to wander free around town and sexually abuse 14 year old girls. That you dont see that as the main concern here is worrying quite frankly. | |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 15:08 - Aug 27 with 197 views | Kievthegreat |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 14:06 - Aug 27 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Remind me not to click on this crap anymore, this thread is such a car crash just like the original OP wanted.
When the first post is angry about reporting on a factual court case and brings up imaginary white guys from Stoke of course it would turn into a debate about the flag and such.
No actual reasoned or intelligent discussion on why it would be important fix the asylum system so you could properly vet and screen people coming into the country, which is clearly relevant here. |
If you want to vet asylum seekers before they come to the UK, then there have to be ways for people to make asylum requests before reaching the UK. It is essentially impossible to do that though. You can only claim asylum when you reach the UK hence, they enter without checks. |  | | |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 15:09 - Aug 27 with 197 views | Whos_blue |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 13:33 - Aug 27 by blueasfook |
Isn't this the actual incident that started the protests (in Epping at least)?
Imagine local people being incensed that sex offenders are being moved into their area. They should just be quiet and get on with it. But not if they're white guys. We need more reporting on white guy sex offending. |
Oh come on blueas. Some of that is very disingenuous.
No one has said (as far as I can see) that people should be quiet and get on with anything.
Of course many local residents would have concerns about a potential sex offender in their local area. The sad fact is that sex offenders are charged or sentenced pretty much every day across the UK.
It cannot seriously be argued that this allegation isn't being treated differently. That just isn't true.
I can see that criticising flag use at the Epping event and others is incensing some here, but take the hyperbole out of it and it does beg the question why it is necessary?
So much has happened since it started, but wasn't the first protest organised because of the alledged sex offence and not the fact it was a hotel housing asylum seekers? I may have this wrong and happy to be corrected.
The use of Union and St George flags used anywhere other than a sporting event or in a ceremonial setting is very much in the eyes of the beholder.
For some it's a genuine show of patriotism. For others (me included) it's sadly a demonstration of right wing hate. The truth probably lies somewhere between the two.
I was interested in J2's comments earlier about not allowing the far right to take ownership of the flags. I'd love to believe that could be possible but I sadly think that ship has sailed.
Such a shame. [Post edited 27 Aug 18:37]
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 15:16 - Aug 27 with 182 views | blueasfook |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 15:09 - Aug 27 by Whos_blue |
Oh come on blueas. Some of that is very disingenuous.
No one has said (as far as I can see) that people should be quiet and get on with anything.
Of course many local residents would have concerns about a potential sex offender in their local area. The sad fact is that sex offenders are charged or sentenced pretty much every day across the UK.
It cannot seriously be argued that this allegation isn't being treated differently. That just isn't true.
I can see that criticising flag use at the Epping event and others is incensing some here, but take the hyperbole out of it and it does beg the question why it is necessary?
So much has happened since it started, but wasn't the first protest organised because of the alledged sex offence and not the fact it was a hotel housing asylum seekers? I may have this wrong and happy to be corrected.
The use of Union and St George flags used anywhere other than a sporting event or in a ceremonial setting is very much in the eyes of the beholder.
For some it's a genuine show of patriotism. For others (me included) it's sadly a demonstration of right wing hate. The truth probably lies somewhere between the two.
I was interested in J2's comments earlier about not allowing the far right to take ownership of the flags. I'd love to believe that could be possible but I sadly think that ship has sailed.
Such a shame. [Post edited 27 Aug 18:37]
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I do agree that its a shame our national flags (I think the St George Cross more so than the Union Jack) is seen by many (understably) as right wing symbols.
I wouldn't see flags flown at a sporting event as such though personally. | |
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| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 15:18 - Aug 27 with 171 views | Whos_blue |
| This Ethiopian migrant trial on 15:16 - Aug 27 by blueasfook |
I do agree that its a shame our national flags (I think the St George Cross more so than the Union Jack) is seen by many (understably) as right wing symbols.
I wouldn't see flags flown at a sporting event as such though personally. |
Me neither. Maybe my reply doesn't make that too clear.
Edited reply to reword the confusing sentance. [Post edited 27 Aug 18:38]
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