| Burley's sacking. 21:14 - Aug 30 with 4018 views | Trequartista |
Burley was sacked after 12 points from 10 games after we'd been relegated, 16 months on from a miracle season.
Just thought I'd mention it. |  |
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| Burley's sacking. on 10:14 - Aug 31 with 305 views | HighgateBlue |
| Burley's sacking. on 08:42 - Aug 31 by WestSussexBlue |
Fair enough, the OP is all factual, it’s the “just thought I’d mention it” that isn’t necessary.
It’s stoking the flames to start unrest towards KMc. |
It isn't stoking the flames, it IS the flames. The flames were lit and stoked by the results on the pitch after the inordinate amount of money that has been spent. We've had every advantage and we're 20th. I do not advocate sacking McKenna at the moment, that would be folly after (once more) backing him in the transfer window.
But I believe the OP's point is that revered managers do get sacked, and have been sacked in the past, even when:
(1) the manager was someone with a far deeper connection with the club, having been a successful player during its glory days,
(2) the manager achieved far more (5th in the league, incredible European nights, and manager of the year in the prem), and
(3) the regime was not one which had bought the club simply to turn a profit.
In other words, it's not impossible that the regime suddenly thinks "hang on a minute, he's only had one season where he truly overperformed compared with his budget, and it's been going very wrong for a long time. Why should the manager with the huge war chest not be held accountable like underperforming players are?"
We're 20th. We haven't won. We lost to Bromley. We'd have one point if it weren't for last minute penalties.
Yes we rightly value the fact that "we have our club back", but we should also value the prospect of keeping it. I don't think we'll get relegated, but to think it is not possible is arrogance and madness, and forgets that Luton got more premier league points than us having spent far less. And Sheffield United don't look too clever.
The OP may have been a little sarcastic, but the point that's being made is that it's not impossible for McKenna to be sacked, and managers have been sacked for far less, even at holy old Ipswich Town. A point of view does not have to be "necessary" in order for it to be valid to express it. |  | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 10:26 - Aug 31 with 263 views | darkhorse28 |
The difference is, Burley qualified us for Europe…, let that sink in, and that was in a year when Chelsea had Russian money, you really shouldn’t conflate that season to second in the championship, there are levels.
McKenna is a very good coach, Burley was an elite coach AND manager.
Would have won the title in Scotland but for club politics too.
Levels…., McKenna had had one unbelievable season, but at a very low level, the championship isn’t elite, or even close.
Imagine if Burley had McKennas level of investment, we’d have made that champions league spot.
What McKenna has spent, to achieve so little is eye watering, and soul destroying.
Imagine being the owners, what else can you do but spend £200 million?
Appoint a CEO that has an actual strategy maybe. Giving a completely untested manager a champions league salary, because it’s easiest, isn’t a strategy.
McKenna should stay…., Ashton should have left the building in the summer…, thinks taking a selfie with a Norwich player is all he needs to do, to manage down.
It’s pathetic.
As is the lack of scrutiny…, we deserve a vision, a plan, a strategy, and people who can deliver it.
Not signing 500 players for one position and pretending it’s a team dynamic.
We aren’t a team…, we haven’t been for 18 months either, it’s not recent! |  | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 10:41 - Aug 31 with 242 views | positivity |
| Burley's sacking. on 07:18 - Aug 31 by muccletonjoe |
Those defenders are not upto speed after 4 games ? The midfield not upto speed when Cajuste clearly stated he was, neither of those are going to change, and then we have a whole battalion of forward players , not one of them capable of taking on defenders let alone beating them. Keep looking for the improvements |
the new squad is what i said.
furlong's been in for a few days
nunez is injured
cajuste is not at full fitness yet (just because he's backed himself isn't evidence, it's up to the manager/fitness staff to assess him and not cause an injury, otherwise known as the jon walters effect)
azor is getting better every game
akpom missed pre-season, now fit enough for the bench
azon's been in for a few days
egeli's not available yet
that's more than half of the new squad players! loads of improvements to be seen and look forward to, if you want to take a day off from your drama queen-dom | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 10:45 - Aug 31 with 237 views | MK1 |
That was after 10 games. I will try and keep my mind focused on us winning in the next 6 games. Realistically, we need to start winning soon, or top 2 will already be out of sight. We know from previous promotions, once those top 2 get going, they don't drop many points, (Leeds the exception) so, so hard to catch and overtake. The play-offs should be an absolute minimum with the investment. If KM cannot turn these draws into wins quickly, then the fans, not so much the board, will be asking more probing questions of him.
A hell of a lot of money has gone into this squad and backroom staff(I am talking wages as well as fees) so results can and should be expected to improve. |  |
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| Burley's sacking. on 10:50 - Aug 31 with 227 views | itfcserbia |
And it was a mistake |  |
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| Burley's sacking. on 11:04 - Aug 31 with 192 views | pointofblue |
| Burley's sacking. on 08:42 - Aug 31 by WestSussexBlue |
Fair enough, the OP is all factual, it’s the “just thought I’d mention it” that isn’t necessary.
It’s stoking the flames to start unrest towards KMc. |
Heaven forbid McKenna ever gets questioned. Last year the finance discrepancy was continually brought up as a reason for failure. This season it's apparently not a valid excuse because we need to 'gel'. Overlooking eight of the starting eleven were here last season and other teams don't appear to be suffering with that issue. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 11:13 - Aug 31 with 164 views | Wickets |
| Burley's sacking. on 21:59 - Aug 30 by itfckenty |
Tbh, there was more to it than just performances. We were in dire straits financially. |
Yup lost the ITV money ? So forced to move players on , i seem to remember and think it did for Sheepy as well as the pressure got too much ? |  | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 11:16 - Aug 31 with 152 views | pointofblue |
| Burley's sacking. on 11:13 - Aug 31 by Wickets |
Yup lost the ITV money ? So forced to move players on , i seem to remember and think it did for Sheepy as well as the pressure got too much ? |
All three relegated teams went into administration that season IIRC. Think it might be why parachute payments came in. | |
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| Burley's sacking. on 11:21 - Aug 31 with 132 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Burley's sacking. on 10:14 - Aug 31 by HighgateBlue |
It isn't stoking the flames, it IS the flames. The flames were lit and stoked by the results on the pitch after the inordinate amount of money that has been spent. We've had every advantage and we're 20th. I do not advocate sacking McKenna at the moment, that would be folly after (once more) backing him in the transfer window.
But I believe the OP's point is that revered managers do get sacked, and have been sacked in the past, even when:
(1) the manager was someone with a far deeper connection with the club, having been a successful player during its glory days,
(2) the manager achieved far more (5th in the league, incredible European nights, and manager of the year in the prem), and
(3) the regime was not one which had bought the club simply to turn a profit.
In other words, it's not impossible that the regime suddenly thinks "hang on a minute, he's only had one season where he truly overperformed compared with his budget, and it's been going very wrong for a long time. Why should the manager with the huge war chest not be held accountable like underperforming players are?"
We're 20th. We haven't won. We lost to Bromley. We'd have one point if it weren't for last minute penalties.
Yes we rightly value the fact that "we have our club back", but we should also value the prospect of keeping it. I don't think we'll get relegated, but to think it is not possible is arrogance and madness, and forgets that Luton got more premier league points than us having spent far less. And Sheffield United don't look too clever.
The OP may have been a little sarcastic, but the point that's being made is that it's not impossible for McKenna to be sacked, and managers have been sacked for far less, even at holy old Ipswich Town. A point of view does not have to be "necessary" in order for it to be valid to express it. |
The OP may have been a little sarcastic..."
The word you're looking for I think is 'snide', and therefore most certainly stoking the flames - which is unfortunately the modus operandi of a core of posters, who like to create dissent rather than engage in a meaningful debate.
The last sentence was unnecessary, and actually counter productive, since it leads to the thread derailing, talking about the sincerity of the post rather than a potentially relevant discussion. | | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 11:34 - Aug 31 with 122 views | olimar |
| Burley's sacking. on 21:39 - Aug 30 by CopfordBlue |
Something was clearly broken at the time and I doubt that many who were at Grimsby that night thought it was the wrong decision at the time. We’re in a different place now, the foundations seem more solid and I don’t feel that KM is only 6 games away from the same fate . Then again, if we don’t pick up some wins soon and performances don’t improve, one really poor performance like the Grimsby one could see the position change. My view is that the owners will act if they feel automatic promotion is slipping out of reach. They’ve not invested the money they have to see us be battling for a play off spot during the second half of the season. |
I think the key point, without being melodramatic, is that if we are another 6 games down the line and the results and performances are still the same, then there is probably a conversation to be had about whether something is broken.
Especially given that there are such a high number of players that will have been here for a year and not delivering either. | | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 13:57 - Aug 31 with 71 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| Burley's sacking. on 10:26 - Aug 31 by darkhorse28 |
The difference is, Burley qualified us for Europe…, let that sink in, and that was in a year when Chelsea had Russian money, you really shouldn’t conflate that season to second in the championship, there are levels.
McKenna is a very good coach, Burley was an elite coach AND manager.
Would have won the title in Scotland but for club politics too.
Levels…., McKenna had had one unbelievable season, but at a very low level, the championship isn’t elite, or even close.
Imagine if Burley had McKennas level of investment, we’d have made that champions league spot.
What McKenna has spent, to achieve so little is eye watering, and soul destroying.
Imagine being the owners, what else can you do but spend £200 million?
Appoint a CEO that has an actual strategy maybe. Giving a completely untested manager a champions league salary, because it’s easiest, isn’t a strategy.
McKenna should stay…., Ashton should have left the building in the summer…, thinks taking a selfie with a Norwich player is all he needs to do, to manage down.
It’s pathetic.
As is the lack of scrutiny…, we deserve a vision, a plan, a strategy, and people who can deliver it.
Not signing 500 players for one position and pretending it’s a team dynamic.
We aren’t a team…, we haven’t been for 18 months either, it’s not recent! |
Chelsea’s Russian money came in-in 2003 | | | |
| Burley's sacking. on 15:04 - Aug 31 with 45 views | mellowblue |
| Burley's sacking. on 11:13 - Aug 31 by Wickets |
Yup lost the ITV money ? So forced to move players on , i seem to remember and think it did for Sheepy as well as the pressure got too much ? |
Shepy bailed and took the FA job setting up or running St Georges Park National Football Centre, I think. | | | |
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