| Woolfenden Good Riddance! 12:55 - Sep 1 with 3533 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
Probably will be my least missed member of the back-to-back group.
Arrogant, lazy, constantly bickering with fans, vocal about how he’s not actually a Ipswich fan despite being a local lad, pushed for a move when we were at our lowest, supporting Downes when he downed tools, supporting Omari when he did the same, and then petulant cryptic social media posts like we saw the other day.
Add to that, he’s a decidedly average defender that was carried by the rest of the team. Yeah, he can ping a pass, but even at that he’s not as good as O’Shea. Thinks he’s something that he’s not.
Won’t be missed.
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:08 - Sep 1 with 487 views | dan1878_ |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 13:27 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
I sort of wish we'd switch to a back three. With our wingers struggling I think that could be a strength going forwards.
Palmer
O'Shea - Woolfenden - Greaves
Johnson - Matusiwa - Cajuste - Davis
Chaplin - Szmodics
Akpom
The likes of Clarke and Philogene would have more impact against tiring defences. |
Good job you're not the manager then!! |  | | |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:10 - Sep 1 with 466 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:08 - Sep 1 by dan1878_ |
Good job you're not the manager then!! |
Maybe. We'll see if the current shape starts to work. Hopefully so. |  |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:11 - Sep 1 with 467 views | ITFCson |
Maybe not missed by the OP but missed but the rest of us who actually understand football. The squad as a whole will be weaker without wolfie. | | | |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:11 - Sep 1 with 461 views | bluefunk |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 13:18 - Sep 1 by Kieran_Knows |
Whilst I agree entirely with your post, you do have to wonder what it is about his game that McKenna doesn’t fancy given the moment we went up and had cash to spend, he spent £12m to replace him.
Again, whether that was the correct choice is another matter, but clearly something there that McKenna feels the need to first purchase, and then continue to play O’Shea ahead of him for the best part of 12 months now. |
I suspect improved leadership qualities might have something to do with it |  | | |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:16 - Sep 1 with 432 views | bsw72 |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 13:52 - Sep 1 by ThatMuhrenCross |
I'm surprised that my post has been met by almost 100% disagreement.
I'm sorry, but I've never warmed to the bloke. I support all our players, and love many of them. But Woolfenden has always been one I've struggled with. Not my cup of tea at all. |
That's because the tone if your post is quite personal and frankly unpleasant.
I don't particularly think Woolfenden was anything more than a solid unspectacular championship CB and certainly don't agree with the view by a few that he was our best CB, but I certainly would not call his character into it.
When he played he always was committed and gave his best, and he may have got a little frustrated at the end but he wanted to play football hence he posted what he did.
I for one wish him the best, and hope the move works out for all parties, without denting our promotion hopes . . . |  | | |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:17 - Sep 1 with 426 views | Everydayblue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 13:20 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
This is the baffling thing about McKenna's approach. Not just with Woolfenden but with the likes of Burgess and Broadhead. "We want to keep them we want them to be here..." Yet all three were replaced at the first opportunity upon promotion which makes the words sound hollow. |
Just means that the players themselves, don't fancy the squad roles they were offered. And wanted out. Despite KM wanting them in said roles.
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:19 - Sep 1 with 414 views | Whos_blue |
Whilst I'm probably more in the camp of not being overly distraught that Wolfie is leaving, I think the vitriol in the OP is completely unnecessary and is another indicator of the sad state of this place I'm afraid.
Never been afraid of disagreements over differing views, but some of the absolute bobbins posted here of late?
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:21 - Sep 1 with 407 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
You might not rate the bloke, but to say "good riddance" to a mainstay of the back-to-back promotions is odd to say the least. | | | |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:21 - Sep 1 with 404 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:17 - Sep 1 by Everydayblue |
Just means that the players themselves, don't fancy the squad roles they were offered. And wanted out. Despite KM wanting them in said roles.
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Chaplin - and possibly Broadhead as well - is/was in a very different position to Woolfenden. How often does McKenna switch the attacking places around? How often does he change the centre backs?
It's funny how loyalty works one way really. If a key player makes it clear they want to move on they're the devil incarnate. If the club change someone from a starter to seat warmer they're supposed to suck it up and accept it. | |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:25 - Sep 1 with 382 views | orfordbuoy |
don't believe in the down-arrow (as it curtails debate (and amplifies herd mentality)), but in your case. |  | | |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:32 - Sep 1 with 352 views | dirtyboy |
Look, i've always really liked Wolfenden, I like how he plays, brings a calmness to the team....but.
Whilst people compare O'Shea's £12m to Wolfy's £4m.
Wolfy has 44 champ appearances and 15 in the Premier League and is 26 years old.
O'Shea has 100+ Premier League appearances and 100+ Champ apperances (and looked like a decent player for us in the PL) enough for £7m to be spent on him the first time, is a full ROI International, so we paid £12m for him.
He's faster, he's clearly respected as a captain as he's done it at WBA from a young age and also been part of a promotion to the PL (plus two relegations I guess)
Sad to lose Wolfy, but I do feel the fee we paid for O'Shea is overshadowing the comparisons. |  | | |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:34 - Sep 1 with 344 views | Smoresy |
I'm not on board with your 'good riddance' and will always see him as one of our own, but I am supportive of letting him go, given how unwilling he is to stay here (quite understandably the man wants to play football again).
Great composure, short passing and vision / tempo when in possession. For me, lacks some physicality, pace, and positioning when defending crosses, so I don't see him forging a career as a PL starter in the future. I think he'll continue to be a sought-after Championship CB.
(I'd prefer those with more commendatory opinions to be proved right mind, would be great to see him go to the top.) | | | |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:38 - Sep 1 with 322 views | Whos_blue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:34 - Sep 1 by Smoresy |
I'm not on board with your 'good riddance' and will always see him as one of our own, but I am supportive of letting him go, given how unwilling he is to stay here (quite understandably the man wants to play football again).
Great composure, short passing and vision / tempo when in possession. For me, lacks some physicality, pace, and positioning when defending crosses, so I don't see him forging a career as a PL starter in the future. I think he'll continue to be a sought-after Championship CB.
(I'd prefer those with more commendatory opinions to be proved right mind, would be great to see him go to the top.) |
You just never know.
I don't suppose too many of us saw Damian Delaney have the fine PL career he did with Palace.
If it happens to Woolfie, good luck to him. | |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:42 - Sep 1 with 310 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:32 - Sep 1 by dirtyboy |
Look, i've always really liked Wolfenden, I like how he plays, brings a calmness to the team....but.
Whilst people compare O'Shea's £12m to Wolfy's £4m.
Wolfy has 44 champ appearances and 15 in the Premier League and is 26 years old.
O'Shea has 100+ Premier League appearances and 100+ Champ apperances (and looked like a decent player for us in the PL) enough for £7m to be spent on him the first time, is a full ROI International, so we paid £12m for him.
He's faster, he's clearly respected as a captain as he's done it at WBA from a young age and also been part of a promotion to the PL (plus two relegations I guess)
Sad to lose Wolfy, but I do feel the fee we paid for O'Shea is overshadowing the comparisons. |
I wish I could see enough of O'Shea to back up his fee and the statistics outlined below. Maybe I am looking at him with an overly critical eyes and I thought he looked far better besides Burgess last season, or in a three, than he ever has in a back four with Greaves. | |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:43 - Sep 1 with 302 views | Everydayblue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:21 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
Chaplin - and possibly Broadhead as well - is/was in a very different position to Woolfenden. How often does McKenna switch the attacking places around? How often does he change the centre backs?
It's funny how loyalty works one way really. If a key player makes it clear they want to move on they're the devil incarnate. If the club change someone from a starter to seat warmer they're supposed to suck it up and accept it. |
They don't have to suck it up and accept it though...
They could fight to try and oust, the player that so many on here , think is worse than they are. That is currently getting in ahead of them.
If Wolfie was that important, he'd be a first choice pick, and we wouldn't be letting him go. Ergo, he is not a key player.
I get that he's a local lad, and as such a lot of fans are emotionally attached.. But lets be honest here.. It's him that wants to go.. He's not willing to accept the squad role he's been given. He could have asked for a loan move to get regular game time. But he wants out. And hasn't been pushed out (given he signed a new contract).That's pretty clear, imo.
Don't want players around the place, that don't want to be here. | | | |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:50 - Sep 1 with 262 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:43 - Sep 1 by Everydayblue |
They don't have to suck it up and accept it though...
They could fight to try and oust, the player that so many on here , think is worse than they are. That is currently getting in ahead of them.
If Wolfie was that important, he'd be a first choice pick, and we wouldn't be letting him go. Ergo, he is not a key player.
I get that he's a local lad, and as such a lot of fans are emotionally attached.. But lets be honest here.. It's him that wants to go.. He's not willing to accept the squad role he's been given. He could have asked for a loan move to get regular game time. But he wants out. And hasn't been pushed out (given he signed a new contract).That's pretty clear, imo.
Don't want players around the place, that don't want to be here. |
How do you fight for you place, though? Play well when given a chance? Woolfenden did that last season. Then he was pulled from the line up at the first international break despite doing little wrong, reappeared for a brief spell when we got our best results of the season, was then pulled again for Godfrey before the latter had such a nightmare Woolfenden had to come on for him at half time. And hasn't really been seen since.
Like Burgess and Broadhead he played out of his skin to get us up. He was a key component in our promotion and then cast aside at the first opportunity despite not looking out of his depth (unlike some of the big money signings). So yeah, I don't blame him for wanting to go, along with the other two I've mentioned. I think he could have provided something to our first XI this season but McKenna has decided otherwise. And yes, in him we trust. But if course players who were vital to the team being cast aside for players who then oversee a very poor season may be put out. | |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:53 - Sep 1 with 243 views | lazyblue |
I tend to agree , got caught out to many times when in championship last time but can pass a ball 5 yards ( most of the time). | | | |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:55 - Sep 1 with 223 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:53 - Sep 1 by lazyblue |
I tend to agree , got caught out to many times when in championship last time but can pass a ball 5 yards ( most of the time). |
Thinks back to Saturday. So pleased we have a centre back who isn't caught out now...
In all seriousness he offered far more than that. Far more. | |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:56 - Sep 1 with 220 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:55 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
Thinks back to Saturday. So pleased we have a centre back who isn't caught out now...
In all seriousness he offered far more than that. Far more. |
But in all seriousness pob, if he offered much more than his passing, we wouldnt have needed oshea. |  |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:58 - Sep 1 with 215 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:56 - Sep 1 by FrimleyBlue |
But in all seriousness pob, if he offered much more than his passing, we wouldnt have needed oshea. |
No, you're completely right, Frimmers. He's sh!t and we're robbing Coventry blind. How could I be so wrong.
Edit: I feel the OP is out of line, and Arnie has always criticised Woolfenden. But at least they stand by their views instead of trying to get round it by a plaintive "I like him but..." [Post edited 1 Sep 15:00]
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 15:02 - Sep 1 with 201 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 14:58 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
No, you're completely right, Frimmers. He's sh!t and we're robbing Coventry blind. How could I be so wrong.
Edit: I feel the OP is out of line, and Arnie has always criticised Woolfenden. But at least they stand by their views instead of trying to get round it by a plaintive "I like him but..." [Post edited 1 Sep 15:00]
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Not what I said,
He's a solid ball playing CB, KM clearly wants more hence Oshea was purchased and his stats are miles above wolfy in various aspects of defending.
Like i've said about the promotion team though against what we have now
It suited KM football, for all osheas stats, i don't feel he or greaves suit our football, however defensively they are solid.
Wolfy isn't going because hes sht, he just isn't what KM wants any longer and he wants to play | |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 15:12 - Sep 1 with 178 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 15:02 - Sep 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Not what I said,
He's a solid ball playing CB, KM clearly wants more hence Oshea was purchased and his stats are miles above wolfy in various aspects of defending.
Like i've said about the promotion team though against what we have now
It suited KM football, for all osheas stats, i don't feel he or greaves suit our football, however defensively they are solid.
Wolfy isn't going because hes sht, he just isn't what KM wants any longer and he wants to play |
That's fair. Sorry if I was a bit blunt.
This is the complicated thing. McKenna says he wants to keep him here, yet acts otherwise. And that causes the tension inside and outside the club, with accusatory language being used towards previous first reamers who want to be starters once again (see the OP). I understand why McKenna would want to keep him from the club developed/best back up we can expect to have point of views but it almost sounds like he expects him and Broadhead to just accept the downgrade.
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 15:14 - Sep 1 with 175 views | SamWhiteUK |
Woolfy absolutely knew the system inside and out and for that I'm gutted that we let him go. People are saying he had a mistake in him but I don't think he's any worse than JG in that respect, and LW's positional sense and reading of the game got us out of trouble far more often than he put us into it.
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 15:16 - Sep 1 with 165 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 15:12 - Sep 1 by pointofblue |
That's fair. Sorry if I was a bit blunt.
This is the complicated thing. McKenna says he wants to keep him here, yet acts otherwise. And that causes the tension inside and outside the club, with accusatory language being used towards previous first reamers who want to be starters once again (see the OP). I understand why McKenna would want to keep him from the club developed/best back up we can expect to have point of views but it almost sounds like he expects him and Broadhead to just accept the downgrade.
Sorry, rant over. |
Im seriously at the point in wondering who is actually calling the shots, esp with chappers looking to be off too.
I can't believe any manager would rip up a squad inside 18 months. | |
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| Woolfenden Good Riddance! on 15:19 - Sep 1 with 162 views | 3_5_2 |
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