| Very good on Angela Rayner on 18:52 - Sep 3 with 926 views | Vaughan8 |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 18:04 - Sep 3 by DJR |
This passage early on is pretty simple..
"If any of you will own or part own more than one residential property worth £40,000 or more, you will have to pay the higher rates on your new purchase (unless there is another reason why the higher rates do not apply).
Include any residential property that:
is owned on behalf of children under the age of 18 (parents are treated as the owners even if the property is held through a trust and they are not the trustees)".
It's very difficult to believe that any conveyancing solicitor would not know this, assuming they were aware of the trust.
EDIT: she apparently said she only knew the position when she went to a KC but it doesn't need a KC to read clear and plain HMRC advice. [Post edited 3 Sep 18:16]
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Yeah doesn't look to difficult to find and you expect and "expert" to know this and if not, be able to look it up.
Be interesting to know who she got advice on and what they said. Did they think they had some kind of loophole and it's gone wrong? [Post edited 3 Sep 18:52]
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 18:57 - Sep 3 with 903 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 18:52 - Sep 3 by Vaughan8 |
Yeah doesn't look to difficult to find and you expect and "expert" to know this and if not, be able to look it up.
Be interesting to know who she got advice on and what they said. Did they think they had some kind of loophole and it's gone wrong? [Post edited 3 Sep 18:52]
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When you say "they" are you implying that Rayner asked them to find a possible loophole? |  |
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:05 - Sep 3 with 880 views | DJR |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 18:16 - Sep 3 by Ewan_Oozami |
So what you're saying is that it could be the solicitor's fault?
My point to lowers being that it would not necessarily be that easy for Rayner to parse all that info (including any caveats) herself, other than to say to any advisors, "Make sure all the rules are followed please and I pay what I'm supposed to", otherwise she might as well do everything herself... |
I think it is unlikely it is the solicitors' fault if they knew the facts.
But it is possible that Rayner thought that she no longer owned any other property and so didn't disclose the trust to the solicitors.
Whatever the case, I don't think she should be expected to know of the HMRC advice. [Post edited 3 Sep 20:51]
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:11 - Sep 3 with 853 views | BlueForYou |
She is toast. If she was a Conservative imagine the outcry! This lady is in charge of our national housing policy & can't sort her own affairs. Not good enough. She can squirm all she likes, but she's done for. In life what goes around tends to come around. It's disappointing that a young politician is in this position but unfortunately it's something which will be a good lesson. We need better. |  | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:12 - Sep 3 with 850 views | lowhouseblue |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 18:48 - Sep 3 by Ewan_Oozami |
I think sorting this out would have required more than just "basic scrutiny" - but it is good to know that that senior female Labour politicians are being held to such high standards.... |
are you saying that female politicians or labour politicians shouldn't be held to high standards? reading the hmrc website - the sections written for the public - is basic scrutiny.
when i've bought houses i've used the hmrc website and their stamp duty calculator. if i had the complication of a child's trust i would go there to see if there was a simple answer.
i started thinking that rayner was the victim of an advisor's error - but i'm struggling to see that she could really have asked a serious advisor. |  |
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:18 - Sep 3 with 837 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:12 - Sep 3 by lowhouseblue |
are you saying that female politicians or labour politicians shouldn't be held to high standards? reading the hmrc website - the sections written for the public - is basic scrutiny.
when i've bought houses i've used the hmrc website and their stamp duty calculator. if i had the complication of a child's trust i would go there to see if there was a simple answer.
i started thinking that rayner was the victim of an advisor's error - but i'm struggling to see that she could really have asked a serious advisor. |
If it turns out that she asked some close friend "as a favour" to sort it out for her and they didn't really know what they were doing, then I'll concede the point to you, but if it was an established company with good trustpilot reviews making such an error, then that's litigation territory.. | |
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:28 - Sep 3 with 804 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:11 - Sep 3 by BlueForYou |
She is toast. If she was a Conservative imagine the outcry! This lady is in charge of our national housing policy & can't sort her own affairs. Not good enough. She can squirm all she likes, but she's done for. In life what goes around tends to come around. It's disappointing that a young politician is in this position but unfortunately it's something which will be a good lesson. We need better. |
Thanks for that insight Kemi | | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:28 - Sep 3 with 807 views | monkeymagic |
It’s a shame but she has to go. Your position is untenable if you can’t follow the rules, however complex. She’s been a target for years, this will be the final nail.
On the plus side, 18 months on the backbench is normally sufficient punishment/rehabilitation, so there’s a pathway back to Cabinet. | | | |
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 20:19 - Sep 3 with 737 views | BlueForYou |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:28 - Sep 3 by BLUEGOLD |
Thanks for that insight Kemi |
You're welcome Karl. | | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 21:41 - Sep 3 with 680 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 12:19 - Sep 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Is it harsh? If a socialist politician is inclined to buy multiple properties whilst mortgages and rents are at historic levels, it’s very difficult to find sympathy if they fall afoul of their own tax rules - not an issue for 99pc of us.
All the ‘tax companies and wealthy more’ and hey a perfect example of legal tax avoidance by the wealthy (whether intentional or not)…. |
She owns one property but don't let facts get in the way of your diatribe |  | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 21:55 - Sep 3 with 666 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 21:41 - Sep 3 by reusersfreekicks |
She owns one property but don't let facts get in the way of your diatribe |
Criticising politicians who underpay their tax is diatribe? Kind of amusing that when I’ve always paid my rightful taxes, certainly never been chased by HMRC for £40k whilst raising everyone else’s taxes. [Post edited 3 Sep 22:13]
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 22:25 - Sep 3 with 608 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 21:55 - Sep 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Criticising politicians who underpay their tax is diatribe? Kind of amusing that when I’ve always paid my rightful taxes, certainly never been chased by HMRC for £40k whilst raising everyone else’s taxes. [Post edited 3 Sep 22:13]
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"Buy multiple properties." | | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 22:30 - Sep 3 with 594 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 21:55 - Sep 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Criticising politicians who underpay their tax is diatribe? Kind of amusing that when I’ve always paid my rightful taxes, certainly never been chased by HMRC for £40k whilst raising everyone else’s taxes. [Post edited 3 Sep 22:13]
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Perhaps bother to read what has happened before jumping to the right wing narrative.
It sounds very nuanced to me | | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 22:46 - Sep 3 with 566 views | Smoresy |
She's a good egg from what I can tell, embarrassing as this mishap is. | | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 05:54 - Sep 4 with 463 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 22:30 - Sep 3 by BLUEGOLD |
Perhaps bother to read what has happened before jumping to the right wing narrative.
It sounds very nuanced to me |
That nuanced that seemingly a journalist without access to all the legal documents worked it out, but her and her wealth of advisors didn’t? In which case she’s not looking hugely competent.
If her advisors put her into a ‘tax efficient’ scheme without her knowledge then of course they’ll be open to action now, that would be a staggering thing to do to the Deputy PM! | | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:19 - Sep 4 with 350 views | Rimsy |
It's quite simple. She tried to pull a fast one and pay a lower rate of stamp duty. But she's been rumbled and is trying to squirm out of it. As if, whilst being surrounded by financial bods she couldn't have got the correct advice. And she's the housing minister, you couldn't make it up. |  |
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:27 - Sep 4 with 317 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:19 - Sep 4 by Rimsy |
It's quite simple. She tried to pull a fast one and pay a lower rate of stamp duty. But she's been rumbled and is trying to squirm out of it. As if, whilst being surrounded by financial bods she couldn't have got the correct advice. And she's the housing minister, you couldn't make it up. |
"You couldn't make it up". Well you just did. |  |
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:30 - Sep 4 with 311 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
What makes me laugh (with disgust) in all this is the way the Tories are going after her. The Tories FFS! The party that were openly and brazenly corrupt for years, going after a woman who's made a mistake.
We could do with a decent opposition but Kemi is so far out of her depth. Why have they not got rid of her yet? | |
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:31 - Sep 4 with 314 views | itfcjoe |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 19:11 - Sep 3 by BlueForYou |
She is toast. If she was a Conservative imagine the outcry! This lady is in charge of our national housing policy & can't sort her own affairs. Not good enough. She can squirm all she likes, but she's done for. In life what goes around tends to come around. It's disappointing that a young politician is in this position but unfortunately it's something which will be a good lesson. We need better. |
There was very little in the press about Nadim Zahawi when he was Tory Party Chairman and later Chancellor of the Exchequer, he was investigated by HMRC and found to have avoided huge amounts of tax and had to pay back £4.8m with a fine included for him for it being deliberate.
If Rayner is found to be wrong, she'll likely lose her job - but the scrutiny is always a thousand times worse on Labour politicians. [Post edited 4 Sep 9:32]
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:47 - Sep 4 with 272 views | Rimsy |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:27 - Sep 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"You couldn't make it up". Well you just did. |
No I didn't. She's trying to use loopholes to pay less. Can you imagine the vitriol she would spout if it was a Tory cabinet minister doing the same. | |
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:59 - Sep 4 with 241 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:47 - Sep 4 by Rimsy |
No I didn't. She's trying to use loopholes to pay less. Can you imagine the vitriol she would spout if it was a Tory cabinet minister doing the same. |
I suggest you at least spend 7 minutes listening to the Sky interview which explains how nuanced this is.
You have no clue what has happened and why, but parrot some pathetic right wing nonsense. See the actual post above yours about Zahawi who tried to avoid about £5m in tax which received little coverage.
Go back to painting flags on roundabouts [Post edited 4 Sep 10:01]
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 10:31 - Sep 4 with 207 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:47 - Sep 4 by Rimsy |
No I didn't. She's trying to use loopholes to pay less. Can you imagine the vitriol she would spout if it was a Tory cabinet minister doing the same. |
Have you even read the story, never mind understand it? | |
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| Very good on Angela Rayner on 10:35 - Sep 4 with 199 views | chantryblueboy |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:30 - Sep 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What makes me laugh (with disgust) in all this is the way the Tories are going after her. The Tories FFS! The party that were openly and brazenly corrupt for years, going after a woman who's made a mistake.
We could do with a decent opposition but Kemi is so far out of her depth. Why have they not got rid of her yet? |
I don’t think she should lose her job given she took the advice she did in an attempt to pay the correct tax - but expecting her not to get any flak for it after the scrutiny she’s placed onto Tories who have been in the news with similar headlines is just silly | | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 10:56 - Sep 4 with 149 views | Blueschev |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:31 - Sep 4 by itfcjoe |
There was very little in the press about Nadim Zahawi when he was Tory Party Chairman and later Chancellor of the Exchequer, he was investigated by HMRC and found to have avoided huge amounts of tax and had to pay back £4.8m with a fine included for him for it being deliberate.
If Rayner is found to be wrong, she'll likely lose her job - but the scrutiny is always a thousand times worse on Labour politicians. [Post edited 4 Sep 9:32]
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Indeed, and a working class woman too. They don't want her in their club and they'll do everything to keep her out.
Having said that the optics of this are awful. It's a complicated situation, but talk of houses in trusts and second homes in Hove seem a world away from the problems normal people face, they're rich people problems.
And given her position in government, the public will find it a stretch to believe it's an honest mistake. She's arguably the best placed person in the country to receive expert advice on this. |  | | |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 12:07 - Sep 4 with 74 views | Rimsy |
| Very good on Angela Rayner on 09:59 - Sep 4 by BLUEGOLD |
I suggest you at least spend 7 minutes listening to the Sky interview which explains how nuanced this is.
You have no clue what has happened and why, but parrot some pathetic right wing nonsense. See the actual post above yours about Zahawi who tried to avoid about £5m in tax which received little coverage.
Go back to painting flags on roundabouts [Post edited 4 Sep 10:01]
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I watched the interview. A good actress. I suggest you stop being so gullible. And keep on spouting the old right wing crap, to try to stop debate with anything you don't agree with. She's a hypocrite. | |
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