| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us 20:03 - Sep 6 with 3051 views | Illinoisblue |
Can we get Gus Uhlenbeek back as a coach. |  |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 20:08 - Sep 6 with 2955 views | Swansea_Blue |
Seems overly simplistic to me. Lamine Yamal comes inside all the time. He’s not too shabby. If it suits the player then great. But if they’re better coming inside why change that for some nostalgic view of wingers past? |  |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 20:11 - Sep 6 with 2914 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 20:08 - Sep 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Seems overly simplistic to me. Lamine Yamal comes inside all the time. He’s not too shabby. If it suits the player then great. But if they’re better coming inside why change that for some nostalgic view of wingers past? |
Mo Salah comes inside all the time and seems to be pretty decent. Wonder how Collymore got on at Liverpool? |  |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 20:24 - Sep 6 with 2792 views | HighgateBlue |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 20:08 - Sep 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Seems overly simplistic to me. Lamine Yamal comes inside all the time. He’s not too shabby. If it suits the player then great. But if they’re better coming inside why change that for some nostalgic view of wingers past? |
There are many different styles of play, and I do have some sympathy with the counter-argument that wingers don't just to have one way of playing.
Buttttttt, they do need to have an end product. Of some kind. And Philogene and JClarke have yet to produce one on any kind of regular basis. We now have a decent number of options in those positions, and we need to get an end product from them, because it goes without saying that our lack of goals from open play will massively hobble us if it continues. |  | | |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 20:46 - Sep 6 with 2609 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 20:24 - Sep 6 by HighgateBlue |
There are many different styles of play, and I do have some sympathy with the counter-argument that wingers don't just to have one way of playing.
Buttttttt, they do need to have an end product. Of some kind. And Philogene and JClarke have yet to produce one on any kind of regular basis. We now have a decent number of options in those positions, and we need to get an end product from them, because it goes without saying that our lack of goals from open play will massively hobble us if it continues. |
Oh yes very much agreed. You need an end product from whatever way your forwards are playing, otherwise you’ve got the wrong forwards. | |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 21:26 - Sep 6 with 2424 views | nrb1985 |
You lost me at Stan Collymore. |  | | |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 22:35 - Sep 6 with 2180 views | DinnernotTea |
It's so true though. The national obsession to pass pass pass then pass again is tiresome. And also really dull to watch.
England played against probably National League standard footballers today. Why oh why wouldn't you want to ghost past players and drive with the ball? But no lets get the pass stats up.
The fact pass stats and possession stats are so common in football nowadays is where it's wrong. No one should ever have a clue and right so.
I'm not an old man but appreciate I'll sound like one but watching football for a full 95 minutes is a major struggle in 2025. And this goes for McKenna's style that we desperately need to freshen up. | |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 23:06 - Sep 6 with 2059 views | Illinoisblue |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 21:26 - Sep 6 by nrb1985 |
You lost me at Stan Collymore. |
That’s your loss. Had a great career as a player and speaks a lot of sense as a pundit. | |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 23:23 - Sep 6 with 1990 views | itfc1108 |
I'm hoping the way that PSG started to play last season, with pace and fast and direct wingers, might start to rub off on other teams and coaches. | | | |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 23:31 - Sep 6 with 1943 views | blueasfook |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 23:06 - Sep 6 by Illinoisblue |
That’s your loss. Had a great career as a player and speaks a lot of sense as a pundit. |
Sorry but I mainly remember him for dogging and beating up Ulrika Johnssen. |  |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 23:39 - Sep 6 with 1882 views | itfcsuth |
There is an element of truth to what he says, of course it’s a generalist statement and can’t be applied to everyone.
But it does seem the traditional route of 1v1 beat your man and deliver into the danger zone has been phased out of the game, in exchange for ‘retaining possession’.
But I still hold the thought that effective wing play is one of the most productive chance creators in football, any defender will tell you the difficulties defending high quality crosses/cut backs. |  | | |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 00:10 - Sep 7 with 1737 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 22:35 - Sep 6 by DinnernotTea |
It's so true though. The national obsession to pass pass pass then pass again is tiresome. And also really dull to watch.
England played against probably National League standard footballers today. Why oh why wouldn't you want to ghost past players and drive with the ball? But no lets get the pass stats up.
The fact pass stats and possession stats are so common in football nowadays is where it's wrong. No one should ever have a clue and right so.
I'm not an old man but appreciate I'll sound like one but watching football for a full 95 minutes is a major struggle in 2025. And this goes for McKenna's style that we desperately need to freshen up. |
Notwithstanding my comment above there is truth to this in games like this
The desire to keep possession makes sense in top level games where teams are deadly in transition. But in games like this the ball is coming back straight away anyway so it doesn’t really matter if taking a risk fails
There’s probably something to be said for consistency of patterns etc but then tactics and approach should be tailored for different opposition anyway so I’m not sure that really washes either | |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 08:00 - Sep 7 with 973 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 23:31 - Sep 6 by blueasfook |
Sorry but I mainly remember him for dogging and beating up Ulrika Johnssen. |
I hope you apply the same standards to all the people protesting outside hotels who have convictions for domestic violence. | | | |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 08:16 - Sep 7 with 909 views | bluebud |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 23:31 - Sep 6 by blueasfook |
Sorry but I mainly remember him for dogging and beating up Ulrika Johnssen. |
oh wow, you're so virtuous, thanks for letting us all know.
This is a football forum, not Mumsnet.
Collymore was/is an excellent footballer and pundit. |  | | |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 08:28 - Sep 7 with 840 views | mellowblue |
very old school and great if you can go back to the times of Clive Woods or even Gus, when left and right backs often were slow and ponderous. Now at higher level leagues they are all fast athletes and it is rare to see players able to take them on and get past them and cross whenever they feel like it. And if it does happen, that winger will be double-manned pretty quickly. | | | |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 08:38 - Sep 7 with 796 views | stickymockwell |
| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 08:28 - Sep 7 by mellowblue |
very old school and great if you can go back to the times of Clive Woods or even Gus, when left and right backs often were slow and ponderous. Now at higher level leagues they are all fast athletes and it is rare to see players able to take them on and get past them and cross whenever they feel like it. And if it does happen, that winger will be double-manned pretty quickly. |
Now that 442 is dead its so much harder for a wide man to find a target. If you have Shearer and Ferdinand playing as a 2 then the manager is telling the widemen to bomb the box all day long. |  |
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| This comment about wingers really hits home when watching us on 14:48 - Sep 7 with 172 views | Garv |
You sort of expect it with wingers now, especially those playing on the wrong side.
It's Davis' lack of willingness and sometimes quality in terms of crossing that gets me. Greaves against Derby late on looked a better wing back than he looks sometimes. |  |
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