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Have to say, I'm liking the noises coming out of the new Green Party leader. Seems to be a decent chap with his head screwed on (absolutely made mincemeat of Ed Balls the other day, although I appreciate that's not too difficult).
Whilst green issues are obviously huge, I tended to think that's all they stood for, but I'm now (from hearing a few bits from Polanski) realising there's much more to them (that I like). Particularly over taxing the rich. Could they be the alternative that Corbyn's party wants to be? And could they, under this new charasmatic and intelligent leader, be a challenge to Reform in terms of seats, given they're only one behind them currently?
I don't know why the Beeb (and others, but you expect better from the Beeb) give so much airtime to Farage. It's certainly not proportional to the amount of seats they have - they get way more coverage than the Greens, for example, who are only getting more now due to appointing a new leader.
Unfortunately not enough people care about green issues in this country (not enough to vote for them at least) so if their scope is seen to be wider, could they be the 'surprise package' at the next election? This country is crying out for a decent alternative but I have to say I didn't expect it to come from The Greens.
Reform v The Greens on 12:44 - Sep 7 by lowhouseblue
we're going to have your party and the greens competing over the same 10% of votes. plus you can throw the muslim vote people into the mix. there will doubtless be some constituencies where that 10% (if they actually bother to vote) may swing the result away from labour, but the idea that it will draw voters who are choosing between the main parties and reform is nonsense. but in terms of corbyn or polanski we'll have to wait and see which own jones and russell brand are going to endorse.
Polanski has been in regular contact with Corbyn so I wouldn't rule out some sort coalition or at least going into the election with an alliance where they try to maximise their total collective seats.
Polanski has been in regular contact with Corbyn so I wouldn't rule out some sort coalition or at least going into the election with an alliance where they try to maximise their total collective seats.
it makes sense in that they're targeting the same voters. corbyn's main effect is to take votes away from the greens and vice a versa. somewhere like bristol it makes complete sense for corbyn's lot not to try to take votes from the greens. but nationally it won't impact one way or another.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Reform v The Greens on 12:57 - Sep 7 with 661 views
Reform v The Greens on 12:28 - Sep 7 by pointofblue
And will people hear? I apologise as I probably didn't phrase it properly but his "baggage" is why I'm concerned he won't breakthrough - as said, left wing politicians have to be so squeaky clean compared to those on the right not to be dismissed.
I hate Balls' "Oh you might take votes away from Labour and let the Conservatives/Reform in" though. Maybe Labour should be busier fighting for votes themselves rather than expecting the rest of the left to bow down because the alternative is worse. Especially as Labour is little different now to the centralist Tories anyway.
I think you'd need more "baggage" than this, which as I say he's shown to be nonsense. Do you have anything else? I take your point that baggage is always an issue, as we saw with Corbyn. But there's got to be more than this one (rubbish) thing, surely, to stop him breaking through?
I think you'd need more "baggage" than this, which as I say he's shown to be nonsense. Do you have anything else? I take your point that baggage is always an issue, as we saw with Corbyn. But there's got to be more than this one (rubbish) thing, surely, to stop him breaking through?
I hope you're right. I fear it will be enough for enough people to dismiss him as a crank to affect their chances moving forwards.
Reform v The Greens on 12:52 - Sep 7 by lowhouseblue
it makes sense in that they're targeting the same voters. corbyn's main effect is to take votes away from the greens and vice a versa. somewhere like bristol it makes complete sense for corbyn's lot not to try to take votes from the greens. but nationally it won't impact one way or another.
Greens + Corbyn's Free Broadband Alliance will be inconsequential in terms of the vote share they will get. I don't think the Tories will be a strong contender either. The next election will be a straight fight between Labour & Reform.
"Blueas is a great guy, one of the best." - Donald Trump
Reform v The Greens on 13:01 - Sep 7 by blueasfook
Greens + Corbyn's Free Broadband Alliance will be inconsequential in terms of the vote share they will get. I don't think the Tories will be a strong contender either. The next election will be a straight fight between Labour & Reform.
who knows where we'll be in 4 years time. the thing i'd bet on though is the greens and polanski being utterly marginal.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Reform v The Greens on 13:07 - Sep 7 with 592 views
Reform v The Greens on 12:58 - Sep 7 by pointofblue
I hope you're right. I fear it will be enough for enough people to dismiss him as a crank to affect their chances moving forwards.
Really?! ONE thing... that has been debunked as nonsense?! Even if the press do flog it to death, there's only so long you can keep that going. They're going to need more than one dodgy story. I genuinely asked what else there was as I assumed from "baggage" you knew of a few things. If this is it, it's barely even baggage.
Reform v The Greens on 13:01 - Sep 7 by blueasfook
Greens + Corbyn's Free Broadband Alliance will be inconsequential in terms of the vote share they will get. I don't think the Tories will be a strong contender either. The next election will be a straight fight between Labour & Reform.
You're doing well to be able to see 4 years into the future! How are Town doing there, are we in Europe yet? Christ, even the UK might be back in Europe by then!
Reform v The Greens on 13:07 - Sep 7 by blueasfook
As ever. They'll never be a threat as a party with mainstream appeal. Too many nutjobs in their ranks.
and there's no longer a plain green option. if you wanted to vote on environmental lines you can't do that now without it coming with with identity politics, anti-nato and nutty economics. it will lose a lot of traditional green voters - and it will undermine the credibility of the environmental case with voters more broadly.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Reform v The Greens on 13:22 - Sep 7 with 429 views
Reform v The Greens on 13:01 - Sep 7 by blueasfook
Greens + Corbyn's Free Broadband Alliance will be inconsequential in terms of the vote share they will get. I don't think the Tories will be a strong contender either. The next election will be a straight fight between Labour & Reform.
If that is the case then surely the more progressive parties stand with Labour? Which will lead Reform and maybe the fringe NI lot to side with Reform?
I can't see this being a two way fight with so much on the line.
Despite my post above being spun into something it wasn't, I think the best outcome would be a Labour led coalition (if someone like Burnham takes over) with the Greens, Lib Dems, Jezbollah (don't get upset, when they choose a proper name I will use it) and the national parties supporting them in exchange for some action on climate change, the economy/workers rights, more devolved powers etc.
Really?! ONE thing... that has been debunked as nonsense?! Even if the press do flog it to death, there's only so long you can keep that going. They're going to need more than one dodgy story. I genuinely asked what else there was as I assumed from "baggage" you knew of a few things. If this is it, it's barely even baggage.
We'll see. As you say, the right wing press got hold of Corbyn and didn't let go.
There isn't anything else from his private life which I am aware of. Obviously his previous declaration that he would leave NATO leaves me uneasy but that's policy based.
Reform v The Greens on 13:16 - Sep 7 by lowhouseblue
and there's no longer a plain green option. if you wanted to vote on environmental lines you can't do that now without it coming with with identity politics, anti-nato and nutty economics. it will lose a lot of traditional green voters - and it will undermine the credibility of the environmental case with voters more broadly.
Well put. I voted green last time around but some of their policies outside the environmental proposals are crackpot. More borrowing ? More taxes ? You must be joking mate
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Reform v The Greens on 13:38 - Sep 7 with 359 views
Reform v The Greens on 13:16 - Sep 7 by lowhouseblue
and there's no longer a plain green option. if you wanted to vote on environmental lines you can't do that now without it coming with with identity politics, anti-nato and nutty economics. it will lose a lot of traditional green voters - and it will undermine the credibility of the environmental case with voters more broadly.
All politics is identity politics these days, unfortunately. If the Green Party stayed as they were they definitely wouldn't be going anywhere. They've had to evolve if they want a say. I haven't looked into them too closely yet, as I said in the OP I've simply liked what I've been hearing from Polanski, so what do you mean by nutty economics?
Why should having some more ideas undermine the credibility of the environmental case? You can't run a country on just green issues (before any smart alec says it, I'm not expecting them to run the country, but if you want my vote you need to have ideas about everything).
Reform v The Greens on 08:53 - Sep 7 by NthQldITFC
It could be that the political landscape has changed way more radically than we realise as yet.
I certainly think that young uns are less wedded to their family / local traditional political orientation (in a very big way) and respond to soundbites and personalities more. Obviously that's not a good thing, particularly when the party that's best at soundbites and personalities lacks responsibility or a moral compass, but there's no escaping the reality that ALL parties who want to compete have to do soundbites and personalities now - which rules out a Starmer-led Labour, in my opinion.
The T*ries are already dead probably, and Labour must either reconfigure or split or go the same way. A good proportion of those young uns are well aware of the immense difficulties they face in their near futures from environmental and social/economic collapses - if Polanski (or even a similar 'Labour' leader) can connect with them (as well as with older, open-minded voters) and get out in the open a brave and honest dialogue about the big changes to our way of life which we absolutely need to embrace, then there's still some hope.
People of all ages (but particularly the young) feel hopeless at the moment, knowing or half-knowing what the future holds, but if we're brave enough to have a go at rebooting our economic system we can give our kids a little hope, or at least go down knowing that we tried.
All politics is identity politics these days, unfortunately. If the Green Party stayed as they were they definitely wouldn't be going anywhere. They've had to evolve if they want a say. I haven't looked into them too closely yet, as I said in the OP I've simply liked what I've been hearing from Polanski, so what do you mean by nutty economics?
Why should having some more ideas undermine the credibility of the environmental case? You can't run a country on just green issues (before any smart alec says it, I'm not expecting them to run the country, but if you want my vote you need to have ideas about everything).
in suffolk the old greens were doing very well - lots of success in council elections. that was from people choosing between them labour and the lib dems and thinking that the greens were the best chance of getting someone elected to do something sensible. i suspect the chances of that continuing have gone now - lots of those voters won't vote for a hard left party and i suspect many of the councillors won't want to represent it.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Reform v The Greens on 14:20 - Sep 7 with 273 views
I used to have a soft spot for the Green Party until I read their manifesto in depth and realised that they’re an animal rights party as opposed to an environmental party. Any issue where there is a choice between animal rights & environmental damage, they choose animal rights. For me the environment is more important.
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Reform v The Greens on 14:44 - Sep 7 with 211 views
I used to have a soft spot for the Green Party until I read their manifesto in depth and realised that they’re an animal rights party as opposed to an environmental party. Any issue where there is a choice between animal rights & environmental damage, they choose animal rights. For me the environment is more important.
Which specific policies have they chosen to damage the environment over protecting animals?
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Thank goodness he's Jewish!! Have you finally accepted that you voted for red Tories last time Dollers in light of the linked content?
Interesting background in that, rather unusually and to his credit, he reverted to his Jewish surname and adopted a Jewish first name.
"Zack Polanski was born David Paulden on 2 November 1982[1] in Salford, Greater Manchester, to a Jewish family who had moved to the UK from Eastern Europe in the early twentieth century and had adopted the surname of Paulden in hopes of evading antisemitism. At age 18 he changed his name, restoring his familial name of Polanski, later saying it was important for him to find pride, not shame, in his identity. He also changed his first name, selecting Zack in homage to a Jewish character from the novel Goodnight Mister Tom, and to differentiate himself from his stepfather, also named David."
He happens also to be pro-Palestinian and opposed to the war in Gaza.
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Reform v The Greens on 14:57 - Sep 7 with 175 views
Which specific policies have they chosen to damage the environment over protecting animals?
For example they plan to abolish caged egg production. It’s a scientific fact that free range egg production has a 15-20% bigger carbon footprint than production from caged systems. Also, manure from free range birds is impossible to control. Regardless of whether you feel sorry for the birds or not, humane cages are better than free range.
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Reform v The Greens on 15:00 - Sep 7 with 158 views
Reform v The Greens on 15:00 - Sep 7 by Swansea_Blue
Polanski will be smeared to hell. He’s a threat to those who’ve accumulated power and status through greed.
Without PR he is zero threat. When the next election comes, despite how useless this government are - everyone will vote Labour just to try and keep Reform out.
It’s a sorry state of affairs.
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Reform v The Greens on 15:11 - Sep 7 with 106 views
BBC & all channels have to cover Reform as they are currently so far ahead in all the polls & in line to form the next Government. The more voters desert the sinking Labour & Conservative ships, the stronger Reform will get. Labour are completely out of touch. Greens are turning into the Loony Left & are more hopeless now than ever!
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