| People considering voting Reform 10:32 - Sep 9 with 9569 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
When you hear these claims, even you must be thinking 'Oh come on, Nigel. You're doing well in the polls, don't blow it!'?!
The first, that they would stop the boats IN TWO WEEKS. Farage has already rowed back on that (pardon the pun) and changed it to "once the laws are passed". But even then, with the best will in the world, that's obviously impossible. It's straight out of the Trump playbook - the claim that he'd stop the Ukraine war in 24 hours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c237k55y90ko
Secondly, this batsh!t nonsense...
"A controversial doctor given top billing at the Reform party conference has used his main-stage speech to air a claim the Covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/06/doctor-aseem-malhotra-reform-co
Who on earth believes this stuff?
Or are you so desperate for a change in yours/the country's circumstances that you just ignore the bonkers stuff? This is a genuine question, not intended to take the piss out of Reform sympathisers, because I just can't understand how this party is so - apparently - popular, when they come out with stuff like this.
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| People considering voting Reform on 07:28 - Sep 10 with 632 views | hype313 |
| People considering voting Reform on 18:20 - Sep 9 by Trequartista |
Not sure why legalising a dangerous drug would win him votes, he'll probably u-turn on that one at some point. |
Weed is basically legal now anyway, people brazenly smoke it walking down the street, the Police don't bother with it now. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 07:42 - Sep 10 with 588 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 07:22 - Sep 10 by Swansea_Blue |
Nuts are a massive problem. They get you with peanuts as a gateway nut and before you know it you’re sneaking out of the house with Brazil nuts in your pocket.
Just say no |
Err, point of order, the peanut is not a nut, it's a legume! | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 07:50 - Sep 10 with 539 views | NthQldITFC |
| People considering voting Reform on 07:42 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Err, point of order, the peanut is not a nut, it's a legume! |
Legume makes a leg out of you and me, or something.
My dad (whose father was a greengrocer, I'll have you know!) convinced me that they were droppings of monkeys, hence the moniker 'monkey nut', Monica. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 07:53 - Sep 10 with 541 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh I get all that, I'm just not sure that's enough to describe it as "a dangerous drug". Tens of thousands of people are killed by paracetamol each year but you wouldn't call it "a dangerous drug". | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 08:11 - Sep 10 with 508 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 07:16 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't heard countless times of people committing atrocities under the influence of cannabis. Can you link me to some of these? |
I once went to the all night garage at 3am to buy crisps and chocolate |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 08:37 - Sep 10 with 456 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 08:11 - Sep 10 by blueasfook |
I once went to the all night garage at 3am to buy crisps and chocolate |
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| People considering voting Reform on 08:42 - Sep 10 with 439 views | CoachRob |
| People considering voting Reform on 17:28 - Sep 9 by DJR |
Interesting to see the polls narrowing.
Weekly YouGov voting intention poll for The Times/Sky News. Reform goes backward after party conference
RFM 27% (-2)
LAB 22% (+2)
CON 17% (=)
LDEM 15% (=) |
You missed the Greens off (I know you were having some mouse trouble)
REF: 27% (-2)
LAB: 22% (+2)
CON: 17% (-)
LDM: 15% (-)
GRN: 12% (+2) |  | | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 08:53 - Sep 10 with 410 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 07:16 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't heard countless times of people committing atrocities under the influence of cannabis. Can you link me to some of these? |
I absolutely slaughtered a pack of Tunnocks teacakes last night..  |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 08:55 - Sep 10 with 403 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 23:15 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
In a small number of users, particularly younger people it can cause severe psychosis, so yeah its a dangerous drug. Particularly the strong strains you get now that have a high THC content. |
Can I suggest legalisation purely for the over 45s.. | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 08:56 - Sep 10 with 386 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 18:09 - Sep 9 by positivity |
if you want him to decamp to ireland, i'll drive him there myself! |
Thanks mate
Perhaps send our Tommy back as well | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:10 - Sep 10 with 336 views | Blueschev |
| People considering voting Reform on 18:29 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Weed is a dangerous drug?!?
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It is a dangerous drug. I would legalise it, as the effects of it's illegality only add to the harm it can cause. But I know plenty of old school friends who have frazzled their brains overindulging in smoking it. It's not a harmless vice. [Post edited 10 Sep 9:19]
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| People considering voting Reform on 09:17 - Sep 10 with 308 views | giant_stow |
| People considering voting Reform on 07:53 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh I get all that, I'm just not sure that's enough to describe it as "a dangerous drug". Tens of thousands of people are killed by paracetamol each year but you wouldn't call it "a dangerous drug". |
I guess any drug could be called dangerous. Relatively though, cannabis is the least bad of all the recreational drugs, certainly including alcohol, which if we're honest, is a pig. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 09:18 - Sep 10 with 305 views | Blueschev |
| People considering voting Reform on 07:28 - Sep 10 by hype313 |
Weed is basically legal now anyway, people brazenly smoke it walking down the street, the Police don't bother with it now. |
As is cocaine, if you're white and middle class. It seems to be everywhere these days. | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:27 - Sep 10 with 276 views | Trequartista |
| People considering voting Reform on 07:16 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't heard countless times of people committing atrocities under the influence of cannabis. Can you link me to some of these? |
The guy who drove into the crowd at the Liverpool celebration, the sword attack and murder in Hainault, the Charlie Hebdo murderers, the Bataclan gang, the Tunisian beach killers, Lee Rigby's killer, the Oklahoma bomber.
Important to note i agree correlation is not causation, but in the absence of studies into this, we should err on the side of caution
It's also a gateway drug to drugs that are stronger on their own. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 09:37 - Sep 10 with 243 views | giant_stow |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:27 - Sep 10 by Trequartista |
The guy who drove into the crowd at the Liverpool celebration, the sword attack and murder in Hainault, the Charlie Hebdo murderers, the Bataclan gang, the Tunisian beach killers, Lee Rigby's killer, the Oklahoma bomber.
Important to note i agree correlation is not causation, but in the absence of studies into this, we should err on the side of caution
It's also a gateway drug to drugs that are stronger on their own. |
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/alcohol-profiles-for-england-december-2
"In 2023, there were 8,274 alcohol-specific deaths (deaths wholly due to alcohol) in England, which was an increase of 63.8% from 5,050 deaths in 2006 and a 4.6% increase since 2022." | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 09:37 - Sep 10 with 247 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:27 - Sep 10 by Trequartista |
The guy who drove into the crowd at the Liverpool celebration, the sword attack and murder in Hainault, the Charlie Hebdo murderers, the Bataclan gang, the Tunisian beach killers, Lee Rigby's killer, the Oklahoma bomber.
Important to note i agree correlation is not causation, but in the absence of studies into this, we should err on the side of caution
It's also a gateway drug to drugs that are stronger on their own. |
I've heard a rumour that some of those also drove cars, watched TV, ate sandwiches and drank the odd cup of tea...
I agree correlation is not causation, but in the absence of studies into this, we should err on the side of caution.. | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:43 - Sep 10 with 203 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:10 - Sep 10 by Blueschev |
It is a dangerous drug. I would legalise it, as the effects of it's illegality only add to the harm it can cause. But I know plenty of old school friends who have frazzled their brains overindulging in smoking it. It's not a harmless vice. [Post edited 10 Sep 9:19]
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I didn't say it was a harmless vice, that's a straw man argument. I'm just saying under my definition of "dangerous drug" I wouldn't put cannabis there. Most reputable studies of drugs have cannabis as around 8th in terms of most harmful. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 09:50 - Sep 10 with 173 views | Blueschev |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:43 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I didn't say it was a harmless vice, that's a straw man argument. I'm just saying under my definition of "dangerous drug" I wouldn't put cannabis there. Most reputable studies of drugs have cannabis as around 8th in terms of most harmful. |
I used to think the same as you, but having seen it destroy people's mental health, increase their anxiety and erase their motivation to do anything other than stay in and smoke, my opinion of it has changed somewhat. There are certainly worse drugs out there, and I'm aware that some people, myself included, can have the occasional smoke with no real negative effects. But in my experience it can be far more harmful than people realise. | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:50 - Sep 10 with 166 views | Trequartista |
I'm not convinced by an argument that says because alcohol is legal and potentially worse, cannabis should be legalised. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 09:52 - Sep 10 with 155 views | Trequartista |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:37 - Sep 10 by leitrimblue |
I've heard a rumour that some of those also drove cars, watched TV, ate sandwiches and drank the odd cup of tea...
I agree correlation is not causation, but in the absence of studies into this, we should err on the side of caution.. |
Your first line proves my correlation/causation point which you've reproduced in the second line? | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 09:55 - Sep 10 with 126 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:52 - Sep 10 by Trequartista |
Your first line proves my correlation/causation point which you've reproduced in the second line? |
But it was still a point you thought was worth making though.. | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:55 - Sep 10 with 127 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:27 - Sep 10 by Trequartista |
The guy who drove into the crowd at the Liverpool celebration, the sword attack and murder in Hainault, the Charlie Hebdo murderers, the Bataclan gang, the Tunisian beach killers, Lee Rigby's killer, the Oklahoma bomber.
Important to note i agree correlation is not causation, but in the absence of studies into this, we should err on the side of caution
It's also a gateway drug to drugs that are stronger on their own. |
According to chatGPT;
Liverpool parade driver - no specific drug—including cannabis—has been confirmed or reported in public records at this stage.
Charlie Hebdo attackers - There is no evidence or credible reporting linking the Charlie Hebdo attackers to cannabis use. Discussions and records focus on their radicalization and ideology rather than drug use.
Bataclan attackers (Paris attacks November 2015) - Toxicology reports found only faint traces of cannabis and alcohol in the blood of some attackers. These levels were so minimal that they could not have been ingested the same day of the attacks.
Tunisian beach killers (Sousse attack) - Reports (mostly from tabloids like the Daily Mail) suggest the attacker was “high on cocaine,” not cannabis. There's no indication of cannabis involvement in those attacks.
Oklahoma City bomber (Timothy McVeigh) - McVeigh experimented with cannabis and methamphetamine—though he was reportedly less interested in drugs than his roommate.
So in the 7 cases you've listed, 5 had nothing, or virtually nothing, to do with cannabis.
And even then you agree that correlation is not causation.
And being a gateway to stronger drugs doesn't make that drug, in itself, "a dangerous drug". | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 09:58 - Sep 10 with 109 views | Blueschev |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:50 - Sep 10 by Trequartista |
I'm not convinced by an argument that says because alcohol is legal and potentially worse, cannabis should be legalised. |
Would it not be more beneficial for society if it was regulated so that people were fully aware of what they were smoking rather than the current situation where despite it's legal status, it is commonly consumed with impunity yet controlled by criminals? | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:58 - Sep 10 with 107 views | giant_stow |
| People considering voting Reform on 09:50 - Sep 10 by Trequartista |
I'm not convinced by an argument that says because alcohol is legal and potentially worse, cannabis should be legalised. |
I'm not really talking about the legal status of each drug - just the safety of each. With one, you need to resort to correlation to make a decent case - with the other 1000s die each year directly & provably from drinking, just in this country. | |
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