| People considering voting Reform 10:32 - Sep 9 with 4728 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
When you hear these claims, even you must be thinking 'Oh come on, Nigel. You're doing well in the polls, don't blow it!'?!
The first, that they would stop the boats IN TWO WEEKS. Farage has already rowed back on that (pardon the pun) and changed it to "once the laws are passed". But even then, with the best will in the world, that's obviously impossible. It's straight out of the Trump playbook - the claim that he'd stop the Ukraine war in 24 hours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c237k55y90ko
Secondly, this batsh!t nonsense...
"A controversial doctor given top billing at the Reform party conference has used his main-stage speech to air a claim the Covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/06/doctor-aseem-malhotra-reform-co
Who on earth believes this stuff?
Or are you so desperate for a change in yours/the country's circumstances that you just ignore the bonkers stuff? This is a genuine question, not intended to take the piss out of Reform sympathisers, because I just can't understand how this party is so - apparently - popular, when they come out with stuff like this.
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:56 - Sep 9 with 713 views | Radlett_blue |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:53 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
no, you posted about that one guy from Italy who was arrested back in 2023! And of the news items Ulla posted below - 2 of them relate to the same operation. |
"smashing the criminal gangs" is as likely as winning the "war on drugs". A few people will be arrested & jailed, but others will come out of the woodwork and take their place. It was a silly statement by Starmer, but all sorts of preposterous rubbish is said during elections & I doubt any intelligent person believed Starmer. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:03 - Sep 9 with 684 views | NthQldITFC |
It may be fortunate that we can all see this sort of sh!t play out in America first.
I implore any potential UK Reform voters to have a good look at what Trump is up to before they commit their vote. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:08 - Sep 9 with 651 views | iamatractorboy |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:03 - Sep 9 by NthQldITFC |
It may be fortunate that we can all see this sort of sh!t play out in America first.
I implore any potential UK Reform voters to have a good look at what Trump is up to before they commit their vote. |
A lot of them probably like it. I've said of Trump supporters that they would gladly take a kick to the shins if someone they don't like (no need to elaborate on that...) gets a kick to the balls. |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:15 - Sep 9 with 623 views | Pinewoodblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:03 - Sep 9 by NthQldITFC |
It may be fortunate that we can all see this sort of sh!t play out in America first.
I implore any potential UK Reform voters to have a good look at what Trump is up to before they commit their vote. |
While you are right it is worth remembering US voters fell for it twice.
The best way to avoid people voting Reform is to get your own policies right and remove the need for voters to look elsewhere. Should disaster happen at the next election it won’t be people switching from Labour tonReform that is the problem, more splitting the socialist vote and letting Reform in by the back door, |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:16 - Sep 9 with 622 views | Benters |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:39 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Bonkers! I also seem to remember some other clown claiming he would "Smash the gangs" involved in people trafficking. |
This. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:22 - Sep 9 with 590 views | glasso |
On the first point, they don't care about whether it happens or not. Just like Trump and MAGA didn't. If it gets you elected, then job done. | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:24 - Sep 9 with 590 views | hype313 |
Surely the architect of the clusterfeck which is Brexit, should be enough for people to even think twice about voting for this grifter?
Or do people like enslaving themselves into even more poverty and isolation? |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:26 - Sep 9 with 573 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:46 - Sep 9 by HairBearBunch |
oh go on then - I'll trust that it really is a genuine question and not a leader for lets-bash-the-right.
Unlike you gentlemen, I don't follow politics closely, so I let other people scrutinise evidence etc. I just want something to happen to drag us out the malaise.
If Mr Farage is sounding like he might be the person to do that, then great, I'd be tempted.
I'd hoped Mr Polanski might be that person too, but there's enough financial woes around without him making it worse imo.
So I just want something to happen. Anything, really. Just some blinking action, something and someone different. |
That's fine, and I undertand it. But I was specifically asking those tempted by Reform... do views such as the examples in the OP not make you wary?
Also, why would Polanski make anything worse than Farage would?
Do you not think it's risky to throw your vote at something you've admitted you haven't followed or scrutinised the evidence for? | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:28 - Sep 9 with 548 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:33 - Sep 9 by reusersfreekicks |
Cos he does. True colours obvious now |
Just ordered a nazi uniform off Amazon today. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:32 - Sep 9 with 531 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:53 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
no, you posted about that one guy from Italy who was arrested back in 2023! And of the news items Ulla posted below - 2 of them relate to the same operation. |
I thought he was initially arrested in Italy for something else?
He was prosecuted here, recently.
But anyway, if you don't like that one, what about Ulla's other one?
Will you stop saying none have been smashed or are you going to find some reason why you won't accept that as well?
And why aren't you answering the ACTUAL questions about Farage? | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:33 - Sep 9 with 517 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:56 - Sep 9 by Radlett_blue |
"smashing the criminal gangs" is as likely as winning the "war on drugs". A few people will be arrested & jailed, but others will come out of the woodwork and take their place. It was a silly statement by Starmer, but all sorts of preposterous rubbish is said during elections & I doubt any intelligent person believed Starmer. |
I beleive it's a better tactic than anyone else has come up with, however difficult and never-ending it might be. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:35 - Sep 9 with 513 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:32 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I thought he was initially arrested in Italy for something else?
He was prosecuted here, recently.
But anyway, if you don't like that one, what about Ulla's other one?
Will you stop saying none have been smashed or are you going to find some reason why you won't accept that as well?
And why aren't you answering the ACTUAL questions about Farage? |
In my initial post I stated what Farage said was Bonkers. What else do I need to do? Take out a full page ad in The Times or something? | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:38 - Sep 9 with 487 views | Freddies_Ears |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:26 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's fine, and I undertand it. But I was specifically asking those tempted by Reform... do views such as the examples in the OP not make you wary?
Also, why would Polanski make anything worse than Farage would?
Do you not think it's risky to throw your vote at something you've admitted you haven't followed or scrutinised the evidence for? |
You cannot persuade any Reform voter with logic, reason or facts. They don't care or accept that Brdxit made us poorer ("well, it was sh1t already cos they never gave Me any money". They love that we got our independence back (er, the very fact that we could vote to leave proves we never lost our independence). They love that we are now in control of our borders (er...), and see no irony in their demand that we, er, should take control of our borders. They see no problem with restricting opportunities for Brits to live & work abroad - even though that contributes quite a bit to net migration, by making it harder to get out! They don't care that Führage is a grifter, a cheat, a charlatan, because he's 'one of us' (er... really?), and 'a character' (that worked well last time a 'character' got elected...). | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:39 - Sep 9 with 486 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:22 - Sep 9 by glasso |
On the first point, they don't care about whether it happens or not. Just like Trump and MAGA didn't. If it gets you elected, then job done. |
That's not my point though. My point is WHY would this stuff get you elected? Everyone can see it's nonsense - nobody could stop the boats in two weeks - so surely such wild claims should HURT his chances, not enhance them?!
People scoffed at Corbyn's free internet... which is actually doable. So why would they dismiss that but believe the clearly bonkers stuff coming out of Reform? | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:42 - Sep 9 with 478 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:35 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
In my initial post I stated what Farage said was Bonkers. What else do I need to do? Take out a full page ad in The Times or something? |
You opened with one word "Bonkers" and then went onto smash the gangs. I thought you were referring to that, I had no idea you were referring to Reform's ideas. You certainly didn't "state what Farage said was Bonkers." | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:43 - Sep 9 with 473 views | tcblue |
Which party is going to recognise the wealth (and tax contribution) disparity?
That's all I ask. I realise actually doing something about it would be unreasonable | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:45 - Sep 9 with 447 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:42 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You opened with one word "Bonkers" and then went onto smash the gangs. I thought you were referring to that, I had no idea you were referring to Reform's ideas. You certainly didn't "state what Farage said was Bonkers." |
Oh sorry, I'll use more words next time.
Is there an acceptable minimum we should use when condemning Farage? Just so I know for next time. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:52 - Sep 9 with 417 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:53 - Sep 9 by EdwardStone |
And this is exactly the problem
Mr Juggsy, Farage will give eye-watering tax cuts to his millionaire buddies, dismantle the welfare safety nets, remove all the safeguards of employment, environment and banking regulations and plunder the country for the benefit of himself and his friends
Just like Trump has done in USA
We all will be poorer if Farage is allowed any power..... he has already cost our sweet nation billions of pounds with his insanity of Brexit, he will wreak untold further damage if he is allowed to.
I get that this current government are a huge disappointment, weak, timid and failing to give us any "feel good"
The previous governments have not been great either, but that is no reason to give support to Reform |
I agree completely Edward. The problem for me is, it's the job of the other parties to make themselves more electable then Reform.
The previous government was poor and completely corrupt. Though Labour are clearly less corrupt, they have failed to show any real direction and fail to connect with vast swathes of the electorate.
The 2 main parties need to attempt to improve significantly to have any chance of challenging Reform and I fear on the current showing they may not be capable of doing so.
Hope I'm wrong |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:55 - Sep 9 with 398 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:43 - Sep 9 by tcblue |
Which party is going to recognise the wealth (and tax contribution) disparity?
That's all I ask. I realise actually doing something about it would be unreasonable |
The Greens have, already.
Farage would do the exact opposite. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:57 - Sep 9 with 395 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:39 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's not my point though. My point is WHY would this stuff get you elected? Everyone can see it's nonsense - nobody could stop the boats in two weeks - so surely such wild claims should HURT his chances, not enhance them?!
People scoffed at Corbyn's free internet... which is actually doable. So why would they dismiss that but believe the clearly bonkers stuff coming out of Reform? |
It wasn't the achievablity aspect of Corbyns free broadband pledge that was scoffed at. I think it was more the sheer desperation of it. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:58 - Sep 9 with 392 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:45 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Oh sorry, I'll use more words next time.
Is there an acceptable minimum we should use when condemning Farage? Just so I know for next time. |
You just need to explain yourself clearly. If you'd actually used less words (left out the whatabouterry) it would've been clear.
Anyway, good to know you think Reform's ideas are bonkers. I didn't expect to be getting that out of you. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:58 - Sep 9 with 386 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:28 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Just ordered a nazi uniform off Amazon today. |
I'm hoping it's the sexy 1 with the short skirt an little cap?  | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 13:04 - Sep 9 with 346 views | Benters |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:58 - Sep 9 by leitrimblue |
I'm hoping it's the sexy 1 with the short skirt an little cap? |
Calm down dear 😂🤓😳 | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 13:04 - Sep 9 with 357 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:58 - Sep 9 by leitrimblue |
I'm hoping it's the sexy 1 with the short skirt an little cap? |
Actually ordered two. The standard grey one for my day to day fascist needs, and the Hermann Goerring white one for special occasions. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 13:04 - Sep 9 with 347 views | HairBearBunch |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:26 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's fine, and I undertand it. But I was specifically asking those tempted by Reform... do views such as the examples in the OP not make you wary?
Also, why would Polanski make anything worse than Farage would?
Do you not think it's risky to throw your vote at something you've admitted you haven't followed or scrutinised the evidence for? |
For sure it's risky, going either way from one of the established two parties.
But the status quo is such that I currently consider it a risk worth taking. Nothing ventured ...
The greens seem to propose spending far too much, I'm not convinced they'll find the money without taxing us silly.
As an asides, I'm often reading on here how Brexit is a widely acknowledged disaster. How come that then? From what I see the big EU counties are in an even bigger mess, esp the french. |  | | |
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