| People considering voting Reform 10:32 - Sep 9 with 11280 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
When you hear these claims, even you must be thinking 'Oh come on, Nigel. You're doing well in the polls, don't blow it!'?!
The first, that they would stop the boats IN TWO WEEKS. Farage has already rowed back on that (pardon the pun) and changed it to "once the laws are passed". But even then, with the best will in the world, that's obviously impossible. It's straight out of the Trump playbook - the claim that he'd stop the Ukraine war in 24 hours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c237k55y90ko
Secondly, this batsh!t nonsense...
"A controversial doctor given top billing at the Reform party conference has used his main-stage speech to air a claim the Covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/06/doctor-aseem-malhotra-reform-co
Who on earth believes this stuff?
Or are you so desperate for a change in yours/the country's circumstances that you just ignore the bonkers stuff? This is a genuine question, not intended to take the piss out of Reform sympathisers, because I just can't understand how this party is so - apparently - popular, when they come out with stuff like this.
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| People considering voting Reform on 10:52 - Sep 10 with 575 views | Trequartista |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:39 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
But you've linked them all to cannabis use... and as I've shown, most of them had no direct link to cannabis whatsoever.
You've assumed drug use, when for most there's no evidence. And THEN you've assumed that drug was cannabis as well. |
For not less than the hundredth time, I am not saying there is a direct link so you showing me there is not a direct link is not really relevant.
In fact I'm not even saying there's an indirect link, because I'm saying studies should look into it as it seems to come up a lot, because as someone pointed out, all the attackers also eat food and breathe. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:02 - Sep 10 with 538 views | Pinewoodblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 07:53 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh I get all that, I'm just not sure that's enough to describe it as "a dangerous drug". Tens of thousands of people are killed by paracetamol each year but you wouldn't call it "a dangerous drug". |
The official figures, for England & wales, show that between 200-300 people die as a result of Paracetamol poisoning.
Your answer seems Trump like, prone to exaggeration, unless you can show documentation to support your figure. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:04 - Sep 10 with 528 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:52 - Sep 10 by Dubtractor |
Wait, the aliens that built Stonehenge were on drugs?
Should be called Stonerhenge really. |
Not just on drugs Dub, I would suggest that it was drug taking that led aliens to invent neolithic monuments like Stonehenge and the Pyramids etc |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:08 - Sep 10 with 495 views | GlasgowBlue |
| People considering voting Reform on 07:53 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh I get all that, I'm just not sure that's enough to describe it as "a dangerous drug". Tens of thousands of people are killed by paracetamol each year but you wouldn't call it "a dangerous drug". |
Dollers. You started your thread exposing the crankery at the Reform conference by quoting a Doctor who claimed "that Covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family." then follow it up with "Tens of thousands of people are killed by paracetamol each year" . |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:14 - Sep 10 with 447 views | positivity |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:08 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Dollers. You started your thread exposing the crankery at the Reform conference by quoting a Doctor who claimed "that Covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family." then follow it up with "Tens of thousands of people are killed by paracetamol each year" . |
not really taking a side, but if 200-300 die just in england and wales each year, then tens of thousands is quite possible worldwide |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:23 - Sep 10 with 408 views | giant_stow |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:14 - Sep 10 by positivity |
not really taking a side, but if 200-300 die just in england and wales each year, then tens of thousands is quite possible worldwide |
Yes. And even if Dolly was out on the numbers, I think his point remains valid - hundreds of deaths is still way more than can be definitely placed at cannabis's door. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:53 - Sep 10 with 326 views | JackNorthStand |
Are reform popular or is it just the fact that the old guard are now so unpopular people are turning g to reform as they have nowhere else to go ? | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:00 - Sep 10 with 295 views | Blueschev |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:53 - Sep 10 by JackNorthStand |
Are reform popular or is it just the fact that the old guard are now so unpopular people are turning g to reform as they have nowhere else to go ? |
I definitely think there is something in that, you can see it from this thread. People want to see something different, but they're not sure what. The country desperately needs voter reform if our democracy is to survive. |  | | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:02 - Sep 10 with 283 views | tcblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:53 - Sep 10 by JackNorthStand |
Are reform popular or is it just the fact that the old guard are now so unpopular people are turning g to reform as they have nowhere else to go ? |
They're massive in the "I need to blame someone else that my life turned out not the way I wanted (but I'm not prepared to do anything about it)" demographic | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:06 - Sep 10 with 257 views | GlasgowBlue |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:14 - Sep 10 by positivity |
not really taking a side, but if 200-300 die just in england and wales each year, then tens of thousands is quite possible worldwide |
You're missing the point. Paracetamol, like the Covid vaccine, is a medically supervised drug. Whereas weed is generally sold without supervision and for the purpose of getting high.
The EU reported in 2023 that 50,648 deaths were caused by ‘COVID vaccines. But the pros of the vaccine far outweigh the cons and saved millions more lives.
So it's as much crankery as the Reform bloke to use paracetamol as a comparison to recreational drug taking. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:08 - Sep 10 with 249 views | JackNorthStand |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:02 - Sep 10 by tcblue |
They're massive in the "I need to blame someone else that my life turned out not the way I wanted (but I'm not prepared to do anything about it)" demographic |
There certainly is an element of that amongst some, just as there are an element of stereotypes and cliches amongst Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative and greens voters.
I strongly believe reform will win the next General Election and the polls are showing that. Some people are quick to dismiss all reform voters as what you said above or people who are ill informed but that is not the case. | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:09 - Sep 10 with 246 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:47 - Sep 10 by Trequartista |
Thank you for the amateur psycho-analysis of someone you know nothing about, but no, I'm just going on the facts of the effects of cannabis.
The attacker point was more of an aside to the main point of it causing long term mental illness and psychosis. I was at pains to point out there is no proven link but you're still saying "despite no link between cannabis and the crime" so my list was only wrong on the terms that I have not set (that any of the attacks were the direct result of cannabis use).
I am happy for cannabis to be prescribed for pain relief as I am morphine or any suitable opoid that you would control the use of. |
You said;
"countless times you hear of someone committing atrocities were under the influence of cannabis at the time".
I asked for links and you listed 7 atrocities. I showed that 5 of the 7 had nothing to do with cannabis and now you appear to have rowed back.
It was your list, not mine. What was your list for if not to link those crimes to cannabis?!? | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:10 - Sep 10 with 241 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:52 - Sep 10 by Trequartista |
For not less than the hundredth time, I am not saying there is a direct link so you showing me there is not a direct link is not really relevant.
In fact I'm not even saying there's an indirect link, because I'm saying studies should look into it as it seems to come up a lot, because as someone pointed out, all the attackers also eat food and breathe. |
Why did you give that list then? What was it for? | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:12 - Sep 10 with 236 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:02 - Sep 10 by Pinewoodblue |
The official figures, for England & wales, show that between 200-300 people die as a result of Paracetamol poisoning.
Your answer seems Trump like, prone to exaggeration, unless you can show documentation to support your figure. |
Where have I said anything about England & Wales?!
I asked ChatGPT for worldwide deaths and that's what it came up with. Feel free to check yourself. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:17 - Sep 10 with 218 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:08 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Dollers. You started your thread exposing the crankery at the Reform conference by quoting a Doctor who claimed "that Covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family." then follow it up with "Tens of thousands of people are killed by paracetamol each year" . |
Oh look, here comes the new improved Glassers to stick his oar in... very much like the old Glassers.
From ChatGPT;
Paracetamol (acetaminophen) is one of the most common drugs involved in accidental and intentional overdoses worldwide. Exact numbers vary by country, but here’s what is known:
UK: Paracetamol is the leading cause of acute liver failure. Data from Public Health England suggest there are about 200–250 deaths per year linked to paracetamol poisoning (most from intentional overdoses).
US: The FDA and CDC report roughly 500 deaths per year from acetaminophen overdose. It’s also a leading cause of calls to poison control centres.
Worldwide: Estimates are harder, but studies suggest tens of thousands of deaths annually, with the majority occurring in countries where paracetamol is easily available in large packs and medical care after overdose is limited. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:24 - Sep 10 with 179 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:06 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
You're missing the point. Paracetamol, like the Covid vaccine, is a medically supervised drug. Whereas weed is generally sold without supervision and for the purpose of getting high.
The EU reported in 2023 that 50,648 deaths were caused by ‘COVID vaccines. But the pros of the vaccine far outweigh the cons and saved millions more lives.
So it's as much crankery as the Reform bloke to use paracetamol as a comparison to recreational drug taking. |
It's you who has missed the point, probably because you've come steaming into the discussion late without taking it in properly, as you saw an opportunity to have a pop at me.
Trequartista claimed that cannabis "is a dangerous drug", which is why it shouldn't be legalised. I was merely showing that a legal drug, that most would consider fairly safe, could actually be shown to be more dangerous (i.e. it kills thousands of people each year, which cannabis doesn't). | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:26 - Sep 10 with 167 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:06 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
You're missing the point. Paracetamol, like the Covid vaccine, is a medically supervised drug. Whereas weed is generally sold without supervision and for the purpose of getting high.
The EU reported in 2023 that 50,648 deaths were caused by ‘COVID vaccines. But the pros of the vaccine far outweigh the cons and saved millions more lives.
So it's as much crankery as the Reform bloke to use paracetamol as a comparison to recreational drug taking. |
Not sure where your coming from here. Are you suggesting purely that Flash shouldn't be comparing legal drugs with recreational drugs?
Or is there something else I'm missing? | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:29 - Sep 10 with 137 views | DanTheMan |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:10 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why did you give that list then? What was it for? |
To be fair to them, ignoring those examples, there is evidence that cannabis can lead to more aggressive behaviour.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32456503/
Again, this focuses primarily on younger adults / adolescents, but what they are saying isn't completely without merit.
And this is coming from someone who, on the whole, would be supportive of the decriminalisation of it. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:29 - Sep 10 with 133 views | tcblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:08 - Sep 10 by JackNorthStand |
There certainly is an element of that amongst some, just as there are an element of stereotypes and cliches amongst Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative and greens voters.
I strongly believe reform will win the next General Election and the polls are showing that. Some people are quick to dismiss all reform voters as what you said above or people who are ill informed but that is not the case. |
I mean, they absolutely are ill informed if they think Reform will do anything beneficial for the country.
I get that there's a 'protest vote' element but that can't be classed as 'informed' either - can it? | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:31 - Sep 10 with 122 views | positivity |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:06 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
You're missing the point. Paracetamol, like the Covid vaccine, is a medically supervised drug. Whereas weed is generally sold without supervision and for the purpose of getting high.
The EU reported in 2023 that 50,648 deaths were caused by ‘COVID vaccines. But the pros of the vaccine far outweigh the cons and saved millions more lives.
So it's as much crankery as the Reform bloke to use paracetamol as a comparison to recreational drug taking. |
thanks for clarifying, but it might be you that's missing the point?
the op was decrying "A controversial doctor given top billing at the Reform party conference has used his main-stage speech to air a claim the Covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family." that is clearly nonsense, with no scientific backing.
tens of thousands die after misusing paracetamol is at the very least scientifically plausible by extrapolation from the established facts in england/walesas i've explained (i don't have the sources to say that it's scientific fact) | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:31 - Sep 10 with 122 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:29 - Sep 10 by DanTheMan |
To be fair to them, ignoring those examples, there is evidence that cannabis can lead to more aggressive behaviour.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32456503/
Again, this focuses primarily on younger adults / adolescents, but what they are saying isn't completely without merit.
And this is coming from someone who, on the whole, would be supportive of the decriminalisation of it. |
We should probably keep the weed ban for those at least under 21..
Leave it to us old folks who have less to lose  | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:34 - Sep 10 with 110 views | DanTheMan |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:26 - Sep 10 by leitrimblue |
Not sure where your coming from here. Are you suggesting purely that Flash shouldn't be comparing legal drugs with recreational drugs?
Or is there something else I'm missing? |
I believe their point would be that the comparison is a bit silly when people are using paracetamol to purposefully harm themselves.
It would be like saying rope is a very dangerous object because it causes thousands of deaths a year in the UK alone.
Or another comparison would be that water is dangerous because, if consumed in enough volume, it too can be fatal. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:35 - Sep 10 with 101 views | DanTheMan |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:31 - Sep 10 by leitrimblue |
We should probably keep the weed ban for those at least under 21..
Leave it to us old folks who have less to lose |
Which was my original point all those pages ago.
Sorry for derailing the thread anyway! | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 12:40 - Sep 10 with 82 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:34 - Sep 10 by DanTheMan |
I believe their point would be that the comparison is a bit silly when people are using paracetamol to purposefully harm themselves.
It would be like saying rope is a very dangerous object because it causes thousands of deaths a year in the UK alone.
Or another comparison would be that water is dangerous because, if consumed in enough volume, it too can be fatal. |
OK, the paracetamol deaths are mainly deliberate suicide?
Sorry, never realised.
Still as there appear to be no cannabis related deaths wouldn't this still suggest that weed perhaps isn't such a dangerous drug for most grown adults after all?
I think its fair to say ( purely from my own experience back in the day) that smoking weed when a teenager definitely runs a risk of issues for some.
Though I've smoked it probably almost every day for 30 odd years and have never had a issue. Even manage to drag my sorry arse outta bed and make it into work somedays | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:42 - Sep 10 with 69 views | positivity |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:34 - Sep 10 by DanTheMan |
I believe their point would be that the comparison is a bit silly when people are using paracetamol to purposefully harm themselves.
It would be like saying rope is a very dangerous object because it causes thousands of deaths a year in the UK alone.
Or another comparison would be that water is dangerous because, if consumed in enough volume, it too can be fatal. |
it's coming across as suggesting an equivalence between reform's anti-scientific nonsense with flash's fact.
maybe glassers can explain what he was driving at? | |
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