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So basically you think every other country should deal with the issue, except us?
These are people paying large sum's of money to crimminal gangs, in Europe . Surely Interpol should breaking these gangs, after all isn't that what your mate Starmer promised at the last election
These are people paying large sum's of money to crimminal gangs, in Europe . Surely Interpol should breaking these gangs, after all isn't that what your mate Starmer promised at the last election
Let’s say they do smash the gangs (how has that gone with the war on drugs?) Then what? People are on the move, whether you like it or not and that is impossible to stop, unless the reasons they’re moving are addressed.
These are people paying large sum's of money to crimminal gangs, in Europe . Surely Interpol should breaking these gangs, after all isn't that what your mate Starmer promised at the last election
Yes, I would think that making everything harder for the gangs would be reasonably easy
This inflatable boats must be purchased from somewhere.... same with the lifejackets
Maybe we could ask Ukrainians to help with Infra red drone technology to catch them on the beaches as they are getting ready to launch
But it seems like France doesn't really have the political will to do all this
If only UK was part of an all Europe organisation where we could all co operate on this and other cross border issues
These are people paying large sum's of money to crimminal gangs, in Europe . Surely Interpol should breaking these gangs, after all isn't that what your mate Starmer promised at the last election
For other countries to make a stand against these gangs, don't you think there needs to be something in it for them? If we were to refuse to take our fair share of asylum seekers (as seems to be the demand), why should other countries help us? If you were French, how would you feel about the French cops helping the English keep such people in France?
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Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
For other countries to make a stand against these gangs, don't you think there needs to be something in it for them? If we were to refuse to take our fair share of asylum seekers (as seems to be the demand), why should other countries help us? If you were French, how would you feel about the French cops helping the English keep such people in France?
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i guess that if the cross channel route was really stopped people wouldn't travel to northern france and you wouldn't have the camps there and all the associated problems. those camps only exist because the route to the uk exists.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
Anyone you know? on 10:03 - Sep 16 by lowhouseblue
i guess that if the cross channel route was really stopped people wouldn't travel to northern france and you wouldn't have the camps there and all the associated problems. those camps only exist because the route to the uk exists.
But for the cross channel route to be stopped, we'd still need the help of the French. (Short of a flotilla of UK coast guard boats with orders to stop immigrants from reaching England at all costs (against the law) and no way to drop them back to France without French approval. )
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
But for the cross channel route to be stopped, we'd still need the help of the French. (Short of a flotilla of UK coast guard boats with orders to stop immigrants from reaching England at all costs (against the law) and no way to drop them back to France without French approval. )
indeed, i was suggesting that there is something significant in it for france to stop the route.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
Anyone you know? on 10:11 - Sep 16 by lowhouseblue
indeed, i was suggesting that there is something significant in it for france to stop the route.
Ah I see! Fair point, although wouldn't that encourage people to stay put in or simply aim for France instead? At the very least, one less western country to aim for means more people for everyone else to handle.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Hold any opinion on immigration that you like, but surely people get that being part of this is something else, don't they?
You have speakers on the main stage overtly calling for violence, talking about 'mass remigration', you have every thug Neo-Nazi skinhead from across the country attending, every hate group in Britain attending and you're just standing there innocently clutching your flag, quietly muttering "honestly, I don't wish harm on anyone, I just want stronger controls on immigration"?
My family is mixed, my son is mixed race, this is the city I live in, can we get a vague sense of empathy for what it feels like to have 100,000 people standing shoulder to shoulder with bloody Patriotric Alternative here?
I’m sorry but I’m not having this. If you attend a rally organised by racists, where speakers talk about the antisemitic great replacement theory, spread lies and misinformation in order to cause division, and blame all of the countries problems on foreigners (unless they’re white), then you’re a racist piece of sh*t.
So anyone who attended a Conservative party conference over the last few years was a racist then as well. I do remember many people on here calling the Rwanda policy a racist policy. You know as well as many on here that many of the men on the boats ,not all , are economic migrants that are not fleeing persecution.
But for the cross channel route to be stopped, we'd still need the help of the French. (Short of a flotilla of UK coast guard boats with orders to stop immigrants from reaching England at all costs (against the law) and no way to drop them back to France without French approval. )
But we do now have a system in place to do that with the help of the French (which we haven't had since we left the EU)
"In return, it was agreed that the UK will accept an equal number of asylum seekers who have not tried to cross and can pass security and eligibility checks."
Ah I see! Fair point, although wouldn't that encourage people to stay put in or simply aim for France instead? At the very least, one less western country to aim for means more people for everyone else to handle.
they might go elsewhere in europe (but lots of channel crossers have already had an asylum claim turned down in the eu so the uk may be the final throw of the dice). or some people may not travel at all if getting to the uk is their sole purpose.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
So anyone who attended a Conservative party conference over the last few years was a racist then as well. I do remember many people on here calling the Rwanda policy a racist policy. You know as well as many on here that many of the men on the boats ,not all , are economic migrants that are not fleeing persecution.
I've never been to the conservative party conference, but I doubt that the Great Replacement Theory gets propagated on the main stage there. You can stand up for these scum bags as much as you like, that is your right, but it's my right to call them out for what they are, vile racist c**ts.
So anyone who attended a Conservative party conference over the last few years was a racist then as well. I do remember many people on here calling the Rwanda policy a racist policy. You know as well as many on here that many of the men on the boats ,not all , are economic migrants that are not fleeing persecution.
But shouting “Stop the boats” is like pissing into the wind. What is the solution? Stopping the boats won’t stop mass migration.
"In return, it was agreed that the UK will accept an equal number of asylum seekers who have not tried to cross and can pass security and eligibility checks."
Another fair point, although I'm not sure it'll be enough to keep the flag people happy - we'll see I spose.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Hold any opinion on immigration that you like, but surely people get that being part of this is something else, don't they?
You have speakers on the main stage overtly calling for violence, talking about 'mass remigration', you have every thug Neo-Nazi skinhead from across the country attending, every hate group in Britain attending and you're just standing there innocently clutching your flag, quietly muttering "honestly, I don't wish harm on anyone, I just want stronger controls on immigration"?
My family is mixed, my son is mixed race, this is the city I live in, can we get a vague sense of empathy for what it feels like to have 100,000 people standing shoulder to shoulder with bloody Patriotric Alternative here?
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is there anyone on here who honestly believes there were only 100,000 people out on the streets on Saturday?
"In return, it was agreed that the UK will accept an equal number of asylum seekers who have not tried to cross and can pass security and eligibility checks."
if we could get the french to agree to do it on a sufficient scale initially then it does seem a potential answer. if everyone was returned initially - with the uk receiving an equal number through formal schemes across the eu - the numbers crossing would fall very quickly and the numbers going forward would then be manageable for france.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
Another fair point, although I'm not sure it'll be enough to keep the flag people happy - we'll see I spose.
I doubt very much it will keep them happy; for most of them, it's not about how the asylum seekers get here, but the fact that they are coming over at all (and under this scheme, it will potentially allow in the same number as have been crossing illegally)
The only real winners from small boat crossings are the people smugglers, so at least if word spreads that if you make a crossing you'll just be returned to France within a few weeks, these people will be less inclined to give them their money and put their lives at risk.
Ive been reading this thread with interest and your post is imho the most sensible from someone who obviously opposes these protests . Too call everyone who attended racist like some have is nonsense. A lot of the people who attended are simply fed up with seeing boat loads of young men being given accommodation, food, money and seeing gangs of them sitting around doing nothing all day in our town centres, parks etc whilst they are going out to work and struggling. The saturation coverage of this in the media is why I believe so many attended. That doesn't make them racist. People, especially women, are starting to feel uncomfortable in their own communities. People on here can call me racist if they like , and they will, but the boats have to stop and until that happens this won't go away.
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Was listening to yesterdays News Agents podcast on this, they had a crime journalist on this who has covered marches like this in the past.
His view that most people on this were relatively normal, certainly not like NF marches previously and this is why they've gone from getting a few hundred, and a most a few thousand to 100-150k people.
But that these people were now parroting far right tropes - claiming that Immigrants were 20x more likely to be sex offenders, and that it was turning into North Korea, and that Charlie Kirk is a hero, etc. All this stuff is far right talking points and int he first 2 cases demonstrably untrue, and the 3rd is just online talk and not from the real world whatever your opinion of him is - and that brand of ultra Christian fundamentalist belief is just not something we have in the UK.
Their view is that the likes of the BBC are just sleepwalking - that they try to reflect what the people are interested, but ignore the fact that people are interested because someone like Elon Musk is elevating all this rubbish across social media, and they don't realise that he is putting a foghorn on things which in realisty are not important or true.
All this talk of 'Free Speech', this march was in London which must be one of the most tolerant, liberal cities in the world.
99% of the people on the march aren't the ones frothing at the mouth at the front of it, but these dangerous lies are being allowed to spread and infect peoples thinkings.
Tommy Robinson is an out there racist, that Elon Musk is pushing him and sharing a platform with him, and pushing his messages is dangerous.
The Centre/left/Liberals need to stand as one and push back against this, Labour need to lead this - as currently they are letting this fester - that this many people were on a march led by a known racist like Robinson is worrying; we can't let social media and the billionaire class continue to set the agenda, because they are not normal, not like us and not right with what they say
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