| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 13:25 - Sep 23 with 1330 views | Trequartista |
I was very surprised to see that, had to re-read a few times to check i'd understood it correctly. He's seen all the games so his opinion has worth, but with the squad we now have, there would have to be a significant failure somewhere for us not to be challenging for automatic promotion. |  |
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| I wonder on 13:26 - Sep 23 with 1319 views | Dyland |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 11:32 - Sep 23 by cressi |
But his right isn't he. We look poor with a mistake in us every game. I wonder has McKenna run out of ideas. I hope not but we have been on a awful run months.Apart from a awful Sheffield United we have hardly excelled over the last ten months. |
Are other teams allowed to make mistakes?
Some of our fans hold us up to such high standards. Unrealistic standards, some may say.
I wonder if this is par for the course at all clubs. |  |
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| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 13:49 - Sep 23 with 1247 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 09:48 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
I listened to him in the car after the game on Saturday. I thought he was unnecessarily negative about our promotion chances. |
Or at this point in time perhaps realistic. |  | | |
| nft (n/t) on 14:02 - Sep 23 with 1226 views | Dyland |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 11:32 - Sep 23 by cressi |
But his right isn't he. We look poor with a mistake in us every game. I wonder has McKenna run out of ideas. I hope not but we have been on a awful run months.Apart from a awful Sheffield United we have hardly excelled over the last ten months. |
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| I wonder on 14:08 - Sep 23 with 1218 views | HighgateBlue |
| I wonder on 13:26 - Sep 23 by Dyland |
Are other teams allowed to make mistakes?
Some of our fans hold us up to such high standards. Unrealistic standards, some may say.
I wonder if this is par for the course at all clubs. |
Well if comparing us to other clubs is what you want to do, then there's an established way of doing that. We're 17th, and we've beaten one team, who have lost all of their games.
So we're behind 16 teams. Oh, and mighty Bromley.
Even forgetting the Blackburn debacle, and assuming that the EFL Board get us out of jail there, 6 points from 5 league games is so very far from playoff form.
Mathie's right, it will be a tough ask. It's far from impossible of course, but the bookies' odds putting us favourites for the title still are just plain bonkers. |  | | |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 14:13 - Sep 23 with 1209 views | Smoresy |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 13:20 - Sep 23 by jas0999 |
Good article and he’s spot on. We simply had to hit the ground running and didn’t. We are now playing catch up. KM really needs a strategy to play at places like Preston and Blackburn. Teams will more often than not play like Derby at PR as well. These games will be a slog which doesn’t suit us. KM must find a way to get results from these type of games.
Mathie is spot on regarding the Blackburn goal. |
We're only playing catch-up on one parachute club though, potentially none if Leicester receive their penalty. That's notable because it's the parachute clubs which routinely clear 90 points.
Remove our 23/24 heroics and the next best points tally for a non-parachute club in the past 5 years is 80. We'd need to go at 1.83-1.88 points per game from here to exceed that, dependent on the Blackburn outcome. So while I don't rule out a non-parachute club repeating our feat, or getting close to 90, it isn't obvious yet imo that we've lost much ground compared with what we thought we'd need to do before the season started, which was to average 2 PPG or higher. | | | |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 14:34 - Sep 23 with 1188 views | ITFCson |
Waffle from Mathie claiming getting us promoted will be a greater achievement than 2 years ago.
We are still favourites to win the league, and 3 teams get promoted. | | | |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 14:42 - Sep 23 with 1182 views | bsw72 |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 13:14 - Sep 23 by PhilTWTD |
It surprises me a bit as well. I don't think we've given many chances this season at all, a couple of goals with more obvious errors have perhaps put the focus on them and then the red card at the weekend, which was a lot to do with the conditions, as was everything else in the match, to be honest. |
People are disappointed, possibly angry, with the likes of Burgess and Woolfenden going, so look for almost any opportunity to point errors in the current 1st choices.
I feel for Greaves as those who pick holes on him always seem to refer to the fact he cost £18M more than his predecessors - that was not his choice, and I feel that sits heavily on his shoulders as well . . . |  | | |
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| Haha very good! on 14:49 - Sep 23 with 1172 views | Dyland |
| I wonder on 14:08 - Sep 23 by HighgateBlue |
Well if comparing us to other clubs is what you want to do, then there's an established way of doing that. We're 17th, and we've beaten one team, who have lost all of their games.
So we're behind 16 teams. Oh, and mighty Bromley.
Even forgetting the Blackburn debacle, and assuming that the EFL Board get us out of jail there, 6 points from 5 league games is so very far from playoff form.
Mathie's right, it will be a tough ask. It's far from impossible of course, but the bookies' odds putting us favourites for the title still are just plain bonkers. |
I totally agree with your last sentence. | |
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| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 16:24 - Sep 23 with 1119 views | ArnieM |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 13:17 - Sep 23 by PhilTWTD |
I really don't think we can be judged for a while yet with such change and so many players coming in late. Is a long, long season. One of the coaches told a friend of mine that the squad is far better than anything they've worked with before, it's just moulding them into a team. |
....and that's the crux of it,isn't it. You can have a squad of very expensive, gifted plsyer, but if you cant mould them into an effective " team" its money wasted.
The foubkeveinning promotion team, was exactly that, a team. A band of brothers if you will, who became very close on and off the park. There were no flag ship, expensive signings amongst them. No competition for the " top dog" tag in the squad. They all felt equal. I feel that was largely disrupted in the PL season with the expensive imports, who were played ahead of the original players, no matter what their form was like. I'd be amazed if it didn't cause some disgruntlement. Well it did, because thise players have now left. But now were onto another new squad, and so the wheel turns.... FWIW, when they do click, they are going to smash a fair number of teams this season I think. |  |
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| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 16:34 - Sep 23 with 1097 views | billlm |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 13:10 - Sep 23 by LeoMuff |
Think the next games including Norwich we will know exactly where we stand, I do share the pessimism unfortunately we look a shadow of the 23/24 side.
Playing out from the back looks way off, nothing goes through centrally, not often playing through the lines just safe options. We are creating more than the first game of the season but struggling to finish chances.
I was hopeful after Sheff Utd but the first half there wasn’t great, Birmingham dire, Preston we created little at all, Derby again good first half at times but struggled.
There are some positives but I’m yet to be convinced. |
Meant to up you, little seeds there but need to grow fast, |  | | |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 17:59 - Sep 23 with 985 views | bournemouthblue |
It does feel like a season where we finish in the playoffs and may well then win them
You often get a ex-PL side in there who has an underwhelming season but has that residual quality to win the bigger games in the playoffs [Post edited 23 Sep 23:56]
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| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 10:00 - Sep 24 with 436 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 10:46 - Sep 23 by WeWereZombies |
So if we have an all out defensive part of the pair in O'Shea and a defence to midfield player in Greaves do we then have to balance their positioning with a defensive midfielder in Matusiwa and a more advanced midfielder in Cajuste ? This asks a lot of the player's attention and needs to be supported by the left and right flanks to fill in any gaps that an opposition team will either notice or seek to introduce. |
Matusiwa has noticeably covered Right Back when Furlong has pushed forward and the move broken down.
He has excellent football intelligence and reads the game exceptionally well, from what I have seen so far. | | | |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 10:09 - Sep 24 with 428 views | GeoffSentence |
Alex Mathie left the club 27 years ago. Since then he has played professional football for Dundee United, Preston North End and York City. Then a for a few non-league and New Zealand clubs.
Yet he still refers to Ipswich as 'us' and 'we'
Love him.*
*Also for that hattrick |  |
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| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 11:57 - Sep 24 with 341 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 13:17 - Sep 23 by PhilTWTD |
I really don't think we can be judged for a while yet with such change and so many players coming in late. Is a long, long season. One of the coaches told a friend of mine that the squad is far better than anything they've worked with before, it's just moulding them into a team. |
We can’t afford to get 20-25+ points behind. |  |
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| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 12:02 - Sep 24 with 323 views | positivity |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 11:57 - Sep 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We can’t afford to get 20-25+ points behind. |
we're not though are we? we're 6 points off 2nd, we might even have a game in hand! [Post edited 24 Sep 12:03]
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| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 12:11 - Sep 24 with 281 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 12:02 - Sep 24 by positivity |
we're not though are we? we're 6 points off 2nd, we might even have a game in hand! [Post edited 24 Sep 12:03]
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I didn’t say we were? Why would I be looking at 6th anyway, those are not my ambitions.
My point is we can’t keep learning to gel without picking up wins in the meantime now that we are going into October. Cov, Leicester and Boro will still be picking up plenty of points over the next month. | |
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| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 12:19 - Sep 24 with 234 views | positivity |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 12:11 - Sep 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I didn’t say we were? Why would I be looking at 6th anyway, those are not my ambitions.
My point is we can’t keep learning to gel without picking up wins in the meantime now that we are going into October. Cov, Leicester and Boro will still be picking up plenty of points over the next month. |
2nd, not 6th, re-read it!
over the past couple of games, we've made up points on cov and leicester (despite possibly playing a game less!), don't panic, things are gelling nicely! | |
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| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 13:18 - Sep 24 with 107 views | darkhorse28 |
| Apols if posted already. Mathie doesn't seem confident. on 10:04 - Sep 23 by PhilTWTD |
I think Alex is unduly pessimistic and premature in his assessment. We've seen plenty of times before that relegated teams have a month or so of disruption and then grow and develop as the season progresses. I think it would be a surprise if the teams towards the top of the table at the moment are contenders come the end of the season, Leicester and perhaps Coventry aside. Give it a month or so and think things will look very different. |
The year we were promoted it was match week 5 both promoted sides were in the top two.
You can’t get promoted early, but it’s instructive, and for automatic promotion, you can certainly be out of it in the first 10 weeks.
Ask Leeds and Southampton…, their starts cost them promotion!!
The worry is, the last mass influx never gelled at all, some of them have been playing together well over a year and still haven’t. | | | |
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