| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 16:53 - Oct 2 with 1296 views | Herbivore |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 16:52 - Oct 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Luckily I miss all that rubbish by not being on those sort of platforms. But I also miss the useful things social media can provide too. We’ve just unleashed social media on people without really thinking about the impacts. I’m not sure what can be done if people chose to consume this sort of material, but something needs to be done. |
I've come off X and Facebook, they'd both become absolute cesspits in recent years. I don't miss either of them one bit. |  |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 16:58 - Oct 2 with 1288 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 15:50 - Oct 2 by Crawfordsboot |
Royrry - i genuinely don’t understand why you mark this down (i.e. disagree with it)
I say the events are wrong, an eye for an eye is wrong, conflating Israeli with Jewishness is wrong.
Im assuming you agree with that, though perhaps not.
I then call out the Israeli Govt for at every opportunity conflating Israel and Jewishness. They do this to stifle criticism. Is it this point you disagree with? |
It was my post you were replying to and I didn’t see anything wrong with what you said. It was only a general hypothetical, and yes people can be pushed over the edge and do stupid/evil stuff after suffering a traumatic incident. It’s best not to hypothesise specifically in the absence of information, but I didn’t think you were making a strong case to do that.
We’ll find out what the motivation was in due course I suppose. Things may already have moved on and I’ve missed them, as I’ve been busy for the last few hours. [Post edited 2 Oct 17:05]
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 17:17 - Oct 2 with 1237 views | DJR |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 13:26 - Oct 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
And more than likely British nationals not Israeli, assuming all British Jews are Israeli, or supporters of Israel is racist in itself. [Post edited 2 Oct 13:29]
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My view is that regarding Israeli Jews as collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israeli is antisemitic too. [Post edited 2 Oct 17:18]
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 17:25 - Oct 2 with 1196 views | Ryorry |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 17:17 - Oct 2 by DJR |
My view is that regarding Israeli Jews as collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israeli is antisemitic too. [Post edited 2 Oct 17:18]
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Quite.
Yes it’s technically a democracy, but the balance of power being such a fine margin that it’s a handful of fundamentalist extremists holding the rest over a barrel to operate their policies, which highlights that Netanyahu’s government is only supported by half the population, if that. |  |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 20:19 - Oct 2 with 1051 views | Perublue |
Showing an image so soon of the “suspected/alleged” dead perpetrator is new I think ? I’m lost track of the UK guidelines nowadays but I think this may stem from earlier events this year ?
I presume the police marksmen ALWAYS have a default investigation when there is a death,which is right and correct for many reasons but I hope they aren’t vilified unnecessarily. |  |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 20:45 - Oct 2 with 1012 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 13:01 - Oct 2 by Herbivore |
Terrible news, this sort of thing shouldn't be happening in 2025. It worries me how much hate is being whipped up these days, including by mainstream politicians. We need to dial everything down a few notches. |
Regardless of the liklihood of people suggesting this is whataboutery, it really isn't. Today’s events have been appalling. This is purely to highlight the toxic environment we are living in...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/oct/02/blackburn-mp-adnan-hussain-baby-
'Blackburn MP’s baby was target of ‘depraved’ online abuse hours after being born
Independent Adnan Hussain says racist and sexist posts expose ‘dark abyss of hatred and despair’ in UK being left to grow unchecked
The newborn daughter of a British MP was the target of “utterly depraved” and sexist online abuse hours after her birth, her father has told the Guardian.
The independent MP Adnan Hussain, who won his Blackburn seat in 2024 running on a pro-Gaza stance, said he and his newborn were subject to “vile” abuse after he posted a pixelated picture of her on X.
“Day by day, the atmosphere around us is darkening, be that online or out on the streets, and maybe even workplaces,” he said, pointing to recent stories of people being harassed and attacked on racial grounds, including a rape in the West Midlands that police are treating as racially motivated. “The hatred those in positions of leadership and power are allowing to fester and go unchecked is having very real, very dangerous, real-world consequences.” |  |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:13 - Oct 2 with 957 views | Bigalhunter |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 17:25 - Oct 2 by Ryorry |
Quite.
Yes it’s technically a democracy, but the balance of power being such a fine margin that it’s a handful of fundamentalist extremists holding the rest over a barrel to operate their policies, which highlights that Netanyahu’s government is only supported by half the population, if that. |
It’s a fair point regarding the extremists, but I’d be horribly concerned if Netanyahu’s government was still supported by anywhere near half of the Israeli population. |  |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:25 - Oct 2 with 918 views | Ryorry |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:13 - Oct 2 by Bigalhunter |
It’s a fair point regarding the extremists, but I’d be horribly concerned if Netanyahu’s government was still supported by anywhere near half of the Israeli population. |
So would I be (don't have the actual figures, will look up later when have time) - but I was replying specifically to DJR's point that it's wrong to collectively blame the entire population for Netanyahu's monstrous behaviours when a) many didn't vote for him and b) by now even many of those who did vote for him have stopped supporting him; or indeed may now actively oppose him. | |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:25 - Oct 2 with 914 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 20:45 - Oct 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Regardless of the liklihood of people suggesting this is whataboutery, it really isn't. Today’s events have been appalling. This is purely to highlight the toxic environment we are living in...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/oct/02/blackburn-mp-adnan-hussain-baby-
'Blackburn MP’s baby was target of ‘depraved’ online abuse hours after being born
Independent Adnan Hussain says racist and sexist posts expose ‘dark abyss of hatred and despair’ in UK being left to grow unchecked
The newborn daughter of a British MP was the target of “utterly depraved” and sexist online abuse hours after her birth, her father has told the Guardian.
The independent MP Adnan Hussain, who won his Blackburn seat in 2024 running on a pro-Gaza stance, said he and his newborn were subject to “vile” abuse after he posted a pixelated picture of her on X.
“Day by day, the atmosphere around us is darkening, be that online or out on the streets, and maybe even workplaces,” he said, pointing to recent stories of people being harassed and attacked on racial grounds, including a rape in the West Midlands that police are treating as racially motivated. “The hatred those in positions of leadership and power are allowing to fester and go unchecked is having very real, very dangerous, real-world consequences.” |
‘X’ again. It would be interesting to see data on which platforms the most abuse comes from. Every time I read a report about online abuse it’s involving X. We could stop a lot of the impact of this ourselves if we wanted to by not using X. MPs should certainly have more sense than to be on there. It’s not a benign site any more. I can see why Musk bought it now despite it being a bad business move - its use now is to amplify the racism and other far right material that aligns with his own views. TikTok is next up, with the proposed purchase by Musk’s buddy Larry Ellison. | |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:34 - Oct 2 with 878 views | football |
Really awful. I work as a senior leader at a local authority which is the largest jewish settlement in the UK and we've all been feeling it today |  | | |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:38 - Oct 2 with 865 views | Ryorry |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:25 - Oct 2 by Swansea_Blue |
‘X’ again. It would be interesting to see data on which platforms the most abuse comes from. Every time I read a report about online abuse it’s involving X. We could stop a lot of the impact of this ourselves if we wanted to by not using X. MPs should certainly have more sense than to be on there. It’s not a benign site any more. I can see why Musk bought it now despite it being a bad business move - its use now is to amplify the racism and other far right material that aligns with his own views. TikTok is next up, with the proposed purchase by Musk’s buddy Larry Ellison. |
Sorry, but I think it's just as wrong to generalise about X as anything else.
You yourself have thanked me for, & endorsed posts I've shared on here from that platform, from people like @EuropeanPowell, who almost single-handedly posts & disseminates valuable information about the scandal that are Freeports, SEZs etc., promoting understanding of the issue.
See also posts like the photo of a chimp thanking Jane Goodall posted by NthQld. today on here, thousands of other feelgood photos of animals, nature, art, music, sport etc. Not to mention thousands of posts disseminating good politics, green politics etc etc. on there. | |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:51 - Oct 2 with 827 views | Herbivore |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:38 - Oct 2 by Ryorry |
Sorry, but I think it's just as wrong to generalise about X as anything else.
You yourself have thanked me for, & endorsed posts I've shared on here from that platform, from people like @EuropeanPowell, who almost single-handedly posts & disseminates valuable information about the scandal that are Freeports, SEZs etc., promoting understanding of the issue.
See also posts like the photo of a chimp thanking Jane Goodall posted by NthQld. today on here, thousands of other feelgood photos of animals, nature, art, music, sport etc. Not to mention thousands of posts disseminating good politics, green politics etc etc. on there. |
But surely there comes a tipping point where so much of the content on X is toxic that you can no longer defend it? At what point does the platform overall become so problematic that by continuing to use it (and thus support it) you're contributing to the problem? | |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 22:27 - Oct 2 with 766 views | Ryorry |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:51 - Oct 2 by Herbivore |
But surely there comes a tipping point where so much of the content on X is toxic that you can no longer defend it? At what point does the platform overall become so problematic that by continuing to use it (and thus support it) you're contributing to the problem? |
I don't post much on there now, as it undoubtedly has gone downhill with musk, but I genuinely don't see any of the toxic cr@p, because none of the 1,800 approx accounts I follow post any such stuff; & I very rarely look at hashtags these days.
If I could quickly find, have time to get used to + find as good accounts to follow on a better platform I would - but I don't. Took me 5+ years to get to a good stage on there where I knew who/what to follow and who/what to avoid at all costs.
Not saying a tipping point will never come though.
*Edit - and as for “contributing to the problem”, I refute that entirely - in fact would argue the opposite, ie the more decent people stay on there to counter the cr@p, the less toxic the place will be. [Post edited 2 Oct 23:40]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 22:42 - Oct 2 with 713 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 22:27 - Oct 2 by Ryorry |
I don't post much on there now, as it undoubtedly has gone downhill with musk, but I genuinely don't see any of the toxic cr@p, because none of the 1,800 approx accounts I follow post any such stuff; & I very rarely look at hashtags these days.
If I could quickly find, have time to get used to + find as good accounts to follow on a better platform I would - but I don't. Took me 5+ years to get to a good stage on there where I knew who/what to follow and who/what to avoid at all costs.
Not saying a tipping point will never come though.
*Edit - and as for “contributing to the problem”, I refute that entirely - in fact would argue the opposite, ie the more decent people stay on there to counter the cr@p, the less toxic the place will be. [Post edited 2 Oct 23:40]
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I guess the worry is such attacks are very difficult for the security services to prevent. But it does amaze me the amount of hatred that social media allows unchecked. Plenty of conspiracy nutters now have a wider reach. [Post edited 3 Oct 9:47]
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 23:29 - Oct 2 with 652 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:51 - Oct 2 by Herbivore |
But surely there comes a tipping point where so much of the content on X is toxic that you can no longer defend it? At what point does the platform overall become so problematic that by continuing to use it (and thus support it) you're contributing to the problem? |
That point is still a long way from being reached...you might like to think it’s majorly toxic but theres way more good stuff on there than bad, certainly in what I look at. |  | | |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 07:28 - Oct 3 with 478 views | Herbivore |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 23:29 - Oct 2 by mikeybloo88 |
That point is still a long way from being reached...you might like to think it’s majorly toxic but theres way more good stuff on there than bad, certainly in what I look at. |
Respectfully disagree. | |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 08:49 - Oct 3 with 386 views | witchdoctor |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 13:14 - Oct 2 by Crawfordsboot |
What if the IDF had shot his younger brother or sister as they were queuing for food. Still not right of course but i could understand the why. |
you could understand?!..’kin hell..😒 |  | | |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 09:28 - Oct 3 with 337 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 08:49 - Oct 3 by witchdoctor |
you could understand?!..’kin hell..😒 |
The poster meant understand possible motivations. Not trying to understand is wilful ignorance, which doesn’t help anyone. | |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 09:38 - Oct 3 with 323 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 21:38 - Oct 2 by Ryorry |
Sorry, but I think it's just as wrong to generalise about X as anything else.
You yourself have thanked me for, & endorsed posts I've shared on here from that platform, from people like @EuropeanPowell, who almost single-handedly posts & disseminates valuable information about the scandal that are Freeports, SEZs etc., promoting understanding of the issue.
See also posts like the photo of a chimp thanking Jane Goodall posted by NthQld. today on here, thousands of other feelgood photos of animals, nature, art, music, sport etc. Not to mention thousands of posts disseminating good politics, green politics etc etc. on there. |
The question I’d have is at what cost. I’m not denying there’s good stuff on there, but should we accept to do nothing about the downsides? The vile abuse, the knowledge that foreign actors use it to shape thinking here in the UK (bot farms and the like; we know it played a big role in Brexit which was a monumental act of self harm), the monetisation of hate by ‘influencers’ (being used to organise the racist protests we’ve seen the last two summers), etc. Headline news today was about TikTok pushing porn to teenagers as young as 13. So it’s not just X, there are all sorts of issues around social media. Although X seems to be going to an increasingly dark place, led by a man who’s recently called for violence on our streets.
We’ve unleashed a bit of a monster with no checks and balances. As with most new things, I’m sure standards and regulation will have to catch up eventually. | |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 10:08 - Oct 3 with 264 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 09:28 - Oct 3 by Swansea_Blue |
The poster meant understand possible motivations. Not trying to understand is wilful ignorance, which doesn’t help anyone. |
the point is that rationalising an act when we don't yet know the motivation is dangerous. extremist /religious violence, if that's what we're looking at, isn't just an exaggerated version of things that we all might reasonably feel. such extremism exists separately from, and predates, the type of triggers the post referenced and is motivated by forces beyond what is rational. |  |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 10:10 - Oct 3 with 261 views | GlasgowBlue |
I refrained from posting after hearing the news yesterday. It’s absolutely awful. But it’s been coming for some time now. Up and down the country, every week people are on the streets calling to “Globalise the intifada”.Well this is what globalising the intifada looks like.
I’ve said for years that Jews are living in fear of their lives around the world. I was told that “perhaps they could feel less afraid”. Jews knew this was coming. It was never a question of if, only when and where.
I shouldn’t have to add this, but sadly it seems to be demanded of anyone highlighting and combatting antisemitism. There is no excuse for the actions of the IDF which I have and will condemn. But Jewish people should no more be targeted for the actions of the IDF than the a Muslim population should be held responsible for the actions of people who commit terror in the name of Islam. Sadly, I see that distinction no longer being applied.
It’s been a long time since I Updated the following thread. The signs something like the events of yesterday were inevitable are all over the thread. Sadly, so was the denial.
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world by GlasgowBlue 29 Oct 2023 19:04As per Dan's idea, this is the one thread for posting anti semitism awareness in the aftermath of the 7/11 pogrom.
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world
https://x.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1718694433242145172?s=20
https://x.com/just_whatever/status/1718689335988375897?s=20
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1718691772715417642?s=20
https://x.com/Daniel_Sugarman/status/1718704281669206175?s=20
In the last month alone it has been reported that:
In Scotland on a bus, a man started spewing hatred: “Fcuk Israel! If you’re Jewish, Fcuk you. Yehudi, Jewish, Fcuk them.”
In Argentina students from “Escuela Humanos” chanted “Today we burn the Jews” during their senior graduation trip.
In France a Jewish man wearing a kippa was violently beaten in the street on Shabbat. His attacker shouted “Dirty Jew, we’re going to kill you” before assaulting him.
In Turkey Orthodox Jews were shoved and humiliated at Istanbul airport, as bystanders applauded.
“Barbie Gaza” one of Greta Thunberg’s flotilla activists, claimed the women raped and murdered on October 7 were a hoax: “Hamas treated them well, one even felt ugly because they didn’t touch her.”
In Australia a 66-year old Jewish man was attacked on a train by two assailants, including a 16-year-old, who threatened him with a knife while shouting antisemitic slurs.
In Germany a 24 year-old Jewish man wearing a Star of David necklace was assaulted on a train. The attacker tried to drag him off and kicked him repeatedly.
In the USA two antisemitic students from Syracuse University broke into a Jewish fraternity house during Rosh Hashanah and vandalised it by throwing pork inside.
In the UK a trainee doctor who claimed that the UK is “occupied and controlled by Jewish supremacy” escaped a suspension.
In the UK man targeted synagogues and Jewish schools in the Golders Green suburb of London, smearing them with sh*t.
In Italy a dog owner their rottweiler attack Orthodox Jewish tourists.
When I came back to the board I made a conscious decision not to post on the subject of antisemitism or the Israel/ Palestine conflict. I don’t intend to say much more on the subject but after the events of yesterday, on the holiest day for Jews around the world, the hate towards Jews that is being chanted on the streets of our cities on a weekly basis manifested itself in the murder if two innocent people. May their memories be a blessing. [Post edited 3 Oct 10:16]
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 10:11 - Oct 3 with 251 views | Ryorry |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 09:38 - Oct 3 by Swansea_Blue |
The question I’d have is at what cost. I’m not denying there’s good stuff on there, but should we accept to do nothing about the downsides? The vile abuse, the knowledge that foreign actors use it to shape thinking here in the UK (bot farms and the like; we know it played a big role in Brexit which was a monumental act of self harm), the monetisation of hate by ‘influencers’ (being used to organise the racist protests we’ve seen the last two summers), etc. Headline news today was about TikTok pushing porn to teenagers as young as 13. So it’s not just X, there are all sorts of issues around social media. Although X seems to be going to an increasingly dark place, led by a man who’s recently called for violence on our streets.
We’ve unleashed a bit of a monster with no checks and balances. As with most new things, I’m sure standards and regulation will have to catch up eventually. |
I do something about it - am a contributer to ‘community notes’ on there - basically fact-checking & writing counter-notes with solid evidence in the form of strong links.
Basically we’re freebie moderators, of course that’s not enough & there should be stringent legislation, but meanwhile … | |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 10:14 - Oct 3 with 253 views | blueasfook |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 10:10 - Oct 3 by GlasgowBlue |
I refrained from posting after hearing the news yesterday. It’s absolutely awful. But it’s been coming for some time now. Up and down the country, every week people are on the streets calling to “Globalise the intifada”.Well this is what globalising the intifada looks like.
I’ve said for years that Jews are living in fear of their lives around the world. I was told that “perhaps they could feel less afraid”. Jews knew this was coming. It was never a question of if, only when and where.
I shouldn’t have to add this, but sadly it seems to be demanded of anyone highlighting and combatting antisemitism. There is no excuse for the actions of the IDF which I have and will condemn. But Jewish people should no more be targeted for the actions of the IDF than the a Muslim population should be held responsible for the actions of people who commit terror in the name of Islam. Sadly, I see that distinction no longer being applied.
It’s been a long time since I Updated the following thread. The signs something like the events of yesterday were inevitable are all over the thread. Sadly, so was the denial.
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world by GlasgowBlue 29 Oct 2023 19:04As per Dan's idea, this is the one thread for posting anti semitism awareness in the aftermath of the 7/11 pogrom.
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world
https://x.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1718694433242145172?s=20
https://x.com/just_whatever/status/1718689335988375897?s=20
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1718691772715417642?s=20
https://x.com/Daniel_Sugarman/status/1718704281669206175?s=20
In the last month alone it has been reported that:
In Scotland on a bus, a man started spewing hatred: “Fcuk Israel! If you’re Jewish, Fcuk you. Yehudi, Jewish, Fcuk them.”
In Argentina students from “Escuela Humanos” chanted “Today we burn the Jews” during their senior graduation trip.
In France a Jewish man wearing a kippa was violently beaten in the street on Shabbat. His attacker shouted “Dirty Jew, we’re going to kill you” before assaulting him.
In Turkey Orthodox Jews were shoved and humiliated at Istanbul airport, as bystanders applauded.
“Barbie Gaza” one of Greta Thunberg’s flotilla activists, claimed the women raped and murdered on October 7 were a hoax: “Hamas treated them well, one even felt ugly because they didn’t touch her.”
In Australia a 66-year old Jewish man was attacked on a train by two assailants, including a 16-year-old, who threatened him with a knife while shouting antisemitic slurs.
In Germany a 24 year-old Jewish man wearing a Star of David necklace was assaulted on a train. The attacker tried to drag him off and kicked him repeatedly.
In the USA two antisemitic students from Syracuse University broke into a Jewish fraternity house during Rosh Hashanah and vandalised it by throwing pork inside.
In the UK a trainee doctor who claimed that the UK is “occupied and controlled by Jewish supremacy” escaped a suspension.
In the UK man targeted synagogues and Jewish schools in the Golders Green suburb of London, smearing them with sh*t.
In Italy a dog owner their rottweiler attack Orthodox Jewish tourists.
When I came back to the board I made a conscious decision not to post on the subject of antisemitism or the Israel/ Palestine conflict. I don’t intend to say much more on the subject but after the events of yesterday, on the holiest day for Jews around the world, the hate towards Jews that is being chanted on the streets of our cities on a weekly basis manifested itself in the murder if two innocent people. May their memories be a blessing. [Post edited 3 Oct 10:16]
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On X, I saw something going around about a senior NHS doctor who'd posted how he'd like to "kill all jews" - tweet since been deleted. I hope he will be facing severe consequences for that. It's hate speech and he needs to be prosecuted. |  |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 10:20 - Oct 3 with 224 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 10:14 - Oct 3 by blueasfook |
On X, I saw something going around about a senior NHS doctor who'd posted how he'd like to "kill all jews" - tweet since been deleted. I hope he will be facing severe consequences for that. It's hate speech and he needs to be prosecuted. |
i am struggling to understand how, given the way in which the police are currently interpreting speech laws, chanting “globalise the intifada” on the evening following this attack isn't clear incitement. if prosecutions don't follow it makes the law look ridiculous. | |
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| Sounds horrific in Manchester on 11:13 - Oct 3 with 149 views | Whos_blue |
News is just breaking that one of the fatalities was as a result of the Police firearms intervention.
That's a terrible turn of events.
With the immediate need to neutralise the threat, the risk assessment window must be seconds.
An impossible situation and the consequences here are just tragic. |  |
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