| Greaves out on his own on this chart. 14:35 - Oct 15 with 3729 views | catch74 |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 14:46 - Oct 15 with 3586 views | soupytwist |
My son and I have observed from our lofty perch in the middle of Sir Alf Upper that he often comes along way across the pitch to get his head on balls that opposition launch towards our defence. He does generally get a decent head on it too.
He does that even if it involves potentially clattering into Lief Davies or another of our defenders. It's like they've all been told to let him deal with the high balls coming down the pitch.
I don't think it's the same for crosses coming in from out wide. Would be good to see some stats based on where in the pitch the ball comes from. |  | | |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 14:50 - Oct 15 with 3511 views | homer_123 |
So, what you are saying is that we've got 3 quality Centre Backs? |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 14:52 - Oct 15 with 3499 views | Guthrum |
Tho the "progression" stat is potentially misleading, as how frequently a player is required to play forwards will vary from system to system between teams. Ours is very much dependent upon it. More useful perhaps would be the percentage of forward passes which actually reach their intended target. |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 15:32 - Oct 15 with 3200 views | ArnieM |
Maybe we need to try and get Ayling in the. Looking at that that graph. |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 16:04 - Oct 15 with 3019 views | BlueBoots |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 14:52 - Oct 15 by Guthrum |
Tho the "progression" stat is potentially misleading, as how frequently a player is required to play forwards will vary from system to system between teams. Ours is very much dependent upon it. More useful perhaps would be the percentage of forward passes which actually reach their intended target. |
Winning aerial duels is sometimes misleading too, as even if you make first contact it doesn't distinguish between a solid header back where the ball came from, and one that skids off the top of the head under pressure and concedes a corner (and everything inbetween) |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 16:27 - Oct 15 with 2891 views | SheffordBlue |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 14:52 - Oct 15 by Guthrum |
Tho the "progression" stat is potentially misleading, as how frequently a player is required to play forwards will vary from system to system between teams. Ours is very much dependent upon it. More useful perhaps would be the percentage of forward passes which actually reach their intended target. |
Here's some of the stats (with the definitions at the bottom) for how he matches up with Kipre for progression - as both work within the same structure with the same colleagues. These figures are all per 90 played. Progressive passes are only those that are completed.
Progressive Carry - Greaves 1.0 Kipre 1.0
Progressive Carry Distance - Greaves 89.7 Kipre 95.5
Carries into final 3rd - Greaves 0.83 Kipre 0.0
Progressive Passes - Greaves 7.17 Kipre 4.5
Passes into final 3rd - Greaves 8.83 Kipre 3.0
Passes into penalty area - Greaves 0.5 Kipre 0.0
PrgC -- Progressive Carries
Carries that move the ball towards the opponent's goal line at least 10 yards from its furthest point in the last six passes, or any carry into the penalty area. Excludes carries which end in the defending 50% of the pitch.
PrgP -- Progressive Passes
Progressive Passes
Completed passes that move the ball towards the opponent's goal line at least 10 yards from its furthest point in the last six passes, or any completed pass into the penalty area. Excludes passes from the defending 40% of the pitch [Post edited 15 Oct 16:30]
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 16:27 - Oct 15 with 2871 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 16:04 - Oct 15 by BlueBoots |
Winning aerial duels is sometimes misleading too, as even if you make first contact it doesn't distinguish between a solid header back where the ball came from, and one that skids off the top of the head under pressure and concedes a corner (and everything inbetween) |
That's accounted for by the 'progress the ball' stat. This measures the proportion of forward momentum by the player. For this to be so high too, a reasonable conclusion is that the majority of the contacts do not - as is your example - 'skid off the head to concede a corner'. | | | |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 17:06 - Oct 15 with 2657 views | RonFearonsHair |
Not sure how that chart proves the Coventry centre-backs say nice things about each other. |  | | |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 17:28 - Oct 15 with 2570 views | homer_123 |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 16:27 - Oct 15 by SheffordBlue |
Here's some of the stats (with the definitions at the bottom) for how he matches up with Kipre for progression - as both work within the same structure with the same colleagues. These figures are all per 90 played. Progressive passes are only those that are completed.
Progressive Carry - Greaves 1.0 Kipre 1.0
Progressive Carry Distance - Greaves 89.7 Kipre 95.5
Carries into final 3rd - Greaves 0.83 Kipre 0.0
Progressive Passes - Greaves 7.17 Kipre 4.5
Passes into final 3rd - Greaves 8.83 Kipre 3.0
Passes into penalty area - Greaves 0.5 Kipre 0.0
PrgC -- Progressive Carries
Carries that move the ball towards the opponent's goal line at least 10 yards from its furthest point in the last six passes, or any carry into the penalty area. Excludes carries which end in the defending 50% of the pitch.
PrgP -- Progressive Passes
Progressive Passes
Completed passes that move the ball towards the opponent's goal line at least 10 yards from its furthest point in the last six passes, or any completed pass into the penalty area. Excludes passes from the defending 40% of the pitch [Post edited 15 Oct 16:30]
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And, of course, what the below doesn't factor in is what said player is being asked to do within their role.
If Kipre plays, is he being told to actively not carry, for example? Whereas Greaves might be encouraged to do that more?
For me, you can't compare them against each other as, I am 99.9% certain, they will not be being asked to do the same thing.
Hence my post about have 3 good CBs.
Note: I'm not saying your post isn't interesting!!! | |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 17:43 - Oct 15 with 2472 views | NthQldITFC |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 17:28 - Oct 15 by homer_123 |
And, of course, what the below doesn't factor in is what said player is being asked to do within their role.
If Kipre plays, is he being told to actively not carry, for example? Whereas Greaves might be encouraged to do that more?
For me, you can't compare them against each other as, I am 99.9% certain, they will not be being asked to do the same thing.
Hence my post about have 3 good CBs.
Note: I'm not saying your post isn't interesting!!! |
Plus there's not enough data yet to mean very much, although as you say it's interesting and I too agree that we do have 3 good CBs. |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 17:59 - Oct 15 with 2392 views | BlueBadger |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 15:32 - Oct 15 by ArnieM |
Maybe we need to try and get Ayling in the. Looking at that that graph. |
You do understand that from the graph, he would look to be performing way below Greaves, right? |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 18:44 - Oct 15 with 2176 views | SheffordBlue |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 17:28 - Oct 15 by homer_123 |
And, of course, what the below doesn't factor in is what said player is being asked to do within their role.
If Kipre plays, is he being told to actively not carry, for example? Whereas Greaves might be encouraged to do that more?
For me, you can't compare them against each other as, I am 99.9% certain, they will not be being asked to do the same thing.
Hence my post about have 3 good CBs.
Note: I'm not saying your post isn't interesting!!! |
Yes - agree with that totally and that might be why see a bit of a horses for courses selection between Greaves and Kipre. I think when we're looking at breaking down a low block then having Greaves adding an extra man in the final third at times will be one way we look at causing problems for that type of defence.
Since he's been here McKenna has often carried extra risk defensively - e.g. the hybrid RB role previously that has left the RB really open at times - if it increases our offensive threat. | |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 19:20 - Oct 15 with 1967 views | HighgateBlue |
This is really interesting. It's only 2 metrics out of lots of potentially important metrics, and presumably it doesn't relate to a large number of games.
However, I am happy to re-evaluate Greaves' contribution. Certainly compared with Burgess, who was always a favourite of mine. Probably too simplistic, but I see parallels with Muric in terms of talent and highly positive stats compared with the odd howler.
Hard to see how Kipre can be left out after his recent performances, but then every other team in the land will be scratching their heads wondering how Greaves can't get in our side with numbers like these. |  | | |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 19:28 - Oct 15 with 1930 views | Swansea_Blue |
That’s because he wins interceptions and then charges up the pitch thinking he’s Bobby Moore, ends up losing it and leaves us with only one at the back and vulnerable to the counter.
I’m only half joking. |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 19:39 - Oct 15 with 1865 views | SheffordBlue |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 19:28 - Oct 15 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s because he wins interceptions and then charges up the pitch thinking he’s Bobby Moore, ends up losing it and leaves us with only one at the back and vulnerable to the counter.
I’m only half joking. |
I think it's only a matter of time before one of those driving runs leads to a goal/assist. He's done it enough that it must be by direction/tactics rather than him deciding off his own back.
Between this and Leif coming inside at times it looks to me like McKenna is trying different ways to get an extra man in the midfield during certain phases of play. | |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 21:28 - Oct 15 with 1451 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 19:39 - Oct 15 by SheffordBlue |
I think it's only a matter of time before one of those driving runs leads to a goal/assist. He's done it enough that it must be by direction/tactics rather than him deciding off his own back.
Between this and Leif coming inside at times it looks to me like McKenna is trying different ways to get an extra man in the midfield during certain phases of play. |
I agree, it’s 100% a tactic. Before missing the last 2 games he had made the most passes in the final third. That doesn’t happen by accident. He’s slipped to 3rd having missed those games. |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 21:30 - Oct 15 with 1435 views | Nutkins_Return |
Great post. But of course some just won't have it that Greaves is actually very good. What I don't get is he's actually been clearly having a good season but for whatever reason some just made their minds up last season after he came back from injury and was in a struggling side in the Prem.
We did basically have the same with Philogene. Greaves was top performer at Hull. Unfortunately he's never going to bang a hattrick in to turn the fans around. He will though. [Post edited 15 Oct 21:34]
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 21:45 - Oct 15 with 1347 views | Kieran_Knows |
What about Burgess though?! Burgess!?! Cameron Burgess?!? What on earth would this football club do without Cam Burgess?!?!?!?
Something like that. |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 22:20 - Oct 15 with 1165 views | BlueForYou |
Might be interesting to look at stats for caught in possession & goals conceded due to being out of position! |  | | |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 22:23 - Oct 15 with 1147 views | Dubtractor |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 17:06 - Oct 15 by RonFearonsHair |
Not sure how that chart proves the Coventry centre-backs say nice things about each other. |
Underrated post. |  |
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| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 10:43 - Oct 16 with 433 views | Bramidan |
| Greaves out on his own on this chart. on 22:20 - Oct 15 by BlueForYou |
Might be interesting to look at stats for caught in possession & goals conceded due to being out of position! |
And going to ground rather easily looking to the referee to save him. | | | |
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