| Aston Villa banning away fans..... 17:58 - Oct 16 with 13481 views | Bloots |
....from Villa Park for the match against Maccabi Tel Aviv, due to "public safety concerns and the ability to deal with protests".
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:35 - Oct 17 with 1455 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 18:40 - Oct 17 by noggin |
Have the police said who they think was likely to cause problems? |
Not really. The original direct police comments were ambiguous. This from yesterday - “This decision is based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime offences that occurred during the 2024 UEFA Europa League match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel-Aviv in Amsterdam.
Based on our professional judgement, we believe this measure will help mitigate risks to public safety.”
https://www.westmidlands.police.uk/news/west-midlands/news/news/2025/october/wmp
The inference has been that the concern is for the safety of the visiting Israeli fans (the view taken by many of the commentators today) or the safety of the local residents too, which seems to be more accurate. The local rag reports it’s a resourcing issue, so it sounds like police think it could be a flashpoint with pro-Palestine protests and they simply don’t have the numbers of police to guarantee safety. The paper indirectly reports this view from the police:
“West Midlands Police representatives later told the Birmingham Safety Advisory Group they did not have the resources to safely police the presence of potentially thousands of Maccabi fans at a time of heightened community tension over the Gaza crisis and amid concerns about violence by and against the visitors.” [Post edited 17 Oct 19:39]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 23:07 - Oct 17 with 1342 views | vapour_trail |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 18:40 - Oct 17 by noggin |
Have the police said who they think was likely to cause problems? |
I’m pretty confident noggin, you will not get serious engagement on this question from the OP, or any of their advocates.
Doesn’t fit the agenda. Hopefully I’m wrong. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 01:40 - Oct 18 with 1273 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 18:40 - Oct 17 by noggin |
Have the police said who they think was likely to cause problems? |
Yes.
“The decision is based on concerns from West Midlands Police about its ability to deal with potential protests relating the war between Israel and Gaza.”
Not sure that the Maccabi fans are protesting about the war between Israel and Gaza.
The statement said: "This decision is based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime offences that occurred during the 2024 Europa League match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv in Amsterdam.
There were no violent clashes between Maccabi fans and Ajax fans. Pre game they were partying together. And although the Maccabi fans behaved appallingly by chanting anti Arab songs and burning Palestinian flags (anti Israeli songs are chanted and Israeli flags are regularly burned in our cities every weekend), the only people charged and convicted for violent clashes and hate crimes were those who organised and took part in a pre meditated “Jew Hunt”. The only victims of stabbing and beatings were Maccabi fans and those who were suspected of being Jews or helping Jews.
So that answers your question. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 20:41 - Oct 19 with 1121 views | Clapham_Junction |
Somewhat inconveniently for Maccabi, today's Tel Aviv derby had to be abandoned before kick-off due to fans rioting.
Tel Aviv District Commander Haim Sargrof described the event as a "festival of violence," saying that "from the early afternoon hours we have been experiencing vandalism and severe violence, pre-arranged fights." He claimed that "even 13-year-olds sustained head injuries." |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 20:55 - Oct 19 with 1086 views | Bigalhunter |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 20:41 - Oct 19 by Clapham_Junction |
Somewhat inconveniently for Maccabi, today's Tel Aviv derby had to be abandoned before kick-off due to fans rioting.
Tel Aviv District Commander Haim Sargrof described the event as a "festival of violence," saying that "from the early afternoon hours we have been experiencing vandalism and severe violence, pre-arranged fights." He claimed that "even 13-year-olds sustained head injuries." |
Possibly a cleverly executed act of sabotage by Hapoel fans to ensure their bitter rivals don’t get to enjoy a night of disorder and finger-pointing in Birmingham after all?
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:01 - Oct 19 with 1075 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 20:41 - Oct 19 by Clapham_Junction |
Somewhat inconveniently for Maccabi, today's Tel Aviv derby had to be abandoned before kick-off due to fans rioting.
Tel Aviv District Commander Haim Sargrof described the event as a "festival of violence," saying that "from the early afternoon hours we have been experiencing vandalism and severe violence, pre-arranged fights." He claimed that "even 13-year-olds sustained head injuries." |
They obviously have issues. Unfortunately they’re also targets for right wing arseholes, but any refusal to acknowledge they have a violence problem only distracts from efforts to tackle the antisemitism and then tribalism is the only winner. The antisemitism is the larger evil imo, yet violence from them isn’t acceptable either.
They’ve got lots of history, even this season: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/5-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-arrested-fo The Villa decision after all relates to “concerns about violence by and against the visitors” (my emphasis). [Post edited 19 Oct 21:10]
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| I would imagine that.... on 21:14 - Oct 19 with 1051 views | Bloots |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 18:40 - Oct 17 by noggin |
Have the police said who they think was likely to cause problems? |
....the "local" community, the potential pro-palestine protesters and the fans of Maccabi Tel-Aviv are all potential trouble makers in this particular situation.
My original post wasn't about who was likely to be responsible for any trouble, but highlighting the fact that the police felt they would be unable to deal with it and as a result they decided that banning fans was the best solution. This is despite there being numerous matches where "trouble" was likely going ahead as planned previously.
But you knew all that anyway.
(you may not read this obviously because you have me on ignore and have asked me numerous times not to respond to you - but I thought I'd risk it) [Post edited 20 Oct 7:59]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:45 - Oct 19 with 979 views | baxterbasics |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:55 - Oct 17 by BiGDonnie |
Time to make religion illegal. Cause of all the worlds problems. |
This is a total fallacy.
Look up the worst massacres and atrocities in history. Most of them carried out by Godless regimes with no or only a peripheral religious element. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 23:45 - Oct 19 with 875 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:45 - Oct 19 by baxterbasics |
This is a total fallacy.
Look up the worst massacres and atrocities in history. Most of them carried out by Godless regimes with no or only a peripheral religious element. |
Save your breath. Material Realists prefer dogma and prejudice to empiricism.
Anyone doubting Baxters assertion can Google any of:
Stalin Gulags
Stalin Holodomor
Khmer Rouge
Chinese Cultural Revolution
Ceaucescu Securitate
Stasi |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 06:09 - Oct 20 with 783 views | Cafe_Newman |
Well, that article makes no sense at all. |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 06:28 - Oct 20 with 748 views | Kievthegreat |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 23:45 - Oct 19 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Save your breath. Material Realists prefer dogma and prejudice to empiricism.
Anyone doubting Baxters assertion can Google any of:
Stalin Gulags
Stalin Holodomor
Khmer Rouge
Chinese Cultural Revolution
Ceaucescu Securitate
Stasi |
And if we look back at the rest of human history and not the last 100 years, we can see Crusades, reconquista, the inquisition, pogroms. Moving away from Europe there were large numbers of atrocities in lots of religious wars for thousands of years.
One of the biggest was the Taipeng rebellion which would not be surpassed as the bloodiest war until the modern world wars.
Big Donnie's point that all the world's ills come from religion is clearly wrong, but if your list only includes 90 years of history, I'm not sure it's really a representative sample. |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:07 - Oct 20 with 661 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:45 - Oct 19 by baxterbasics |
This is a total fallacy.
Look up the worst massacres and atrocities in history. Most of them carried out by Godless regimes with no or only a peripheral religious element. |
Nonsense. Gotta mitt uns. On every nazi belt buckle.
Crucially, the events you allude to by non religious regimes were not done because of the lack of religion.
As for "Material Realists prefer dogma and prejudice to empiricism."- I struggle to think of a more obvious example of religous apologetics seeking to deflect from the issues or facts, by using buzzwords that no one else sues and ad hominem arguments.
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:11 - Oct 20 with 316 views | leitrimblue |
Hopefully Tommy can give them that little boost to make it to the top of the racist league next year.  |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 15:52 - Oct 20 with 183 views | Whos_blue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:53 - Oct 20 by GlasgowBlue |
I think that we now have an impossible situation if Tommy Robinson is going to highjack this game and send his knuckle draggers into the community to stir up trouble. I can't see this ending well whatever happens. |
And of course we all know that's exactly what his strategy is Glassers.
I doubt he could give two effs about the Jewish community. They are just useful to him at this time as he fights his own culture war against arabs and muslims in general.
He will just continue to grift where ever the money takes him.
I despair that so many people, including from here, supported his recent march.
It's just shocking. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 16:03 - Oct 20 with 151 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 15:52 - Oct 20 by Whos_blue |
And of course we all know that's exactly what his strategy is Glassers.
I doubt he could give two effs about the Jewish community. They are just useful to him at this time as he fights his own culture war against arabs and muslims in general.
He will just continue to grift where ever the money takes him.
I despair that so many people, including from here, supported his recent march.
It's just shocking. |
Of course he couldn't. His mob is full of anti semites.
I made this very point to a pro Bibi Jew on another platform. The Far right in Israel are sucking up to TR because of his anti Islam views and going with the old saying that "my enemy's enemy is my friend". But as I pointed out to him, had Robinson been around in the 1940's he'd have been loading people into the ovens and no self respecting Jew should have anything to do with the racist tw*t. If he had lived in England in the 1930's we know whose side he'd have been on at the battle of Cable Street.
Unfortunately a community under attack will taker support from where they can. Good to see the Board of Deputies and Jewish Leadership Council completely reject Robinson's support.
As I said in my op I can't see a way out of this now. Had the Safety board not made their decision then I doubt this would have been on Robinson's radar. Now, whatever happens Robinson will mobilise his thugs to Birmingham on the date of the match. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 16:17 - Oct 20 with 90 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 14:53 - Oct 20 by GlasgowBlue |
I think that we now have an impossible situation if Tommy Robinson is going to highjack this game and send his knuckle draggers into the community to stir up trouble. I can't see this ending well whatever happens. |
Perhaps it would be less of an impossible situation if wealthy Zionists stopped funding Tommy Robinson and his knuckle draggers in his work to divide our country along religious/race lines. | | | |
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