| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton 08:54 - Oct 20 with 1653 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
I get the argument that we need to replace the Cobbold Stand so that Portman Road can be a non-match day venue, but we don't need more standard or hospitality seats in the Championship except for the biggest games.
I know we can probably sell out 40,000 seats in the PL, but despite the ambition of our current owners, there is obviously no guarantee we can establish ourselves in the PL.
We all remember the Marcus Evans days of playing in a half empty stadium and it's a bit soul destroying for players and fans.
The estimated cost of Crystal Palace's new Main Stand now exceeds £200M. Are Gamechanger ready going to get a return on their investment for this sort of outlay? |  | | |  |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 09:11 - Oct 20 with 1553 views | waveneyblue |
I would suggest a Tuesday night, on TV with another home game 4 days later isnt a guide to whether we need a bigger capacity. |  | | |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 09:17 - Oct 20 with 1519 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
"I get the argument that we need to replace the Cobbold Stand so that Portman Road can be a non-match day venue"
"Are Gamechanger ready going to get a return on their investment"
If we spend £150m on a New Cobbold and we add 3-4000 seats, the ground can operate as a 362 day a year venue.
If the ground improvements, plus the training ground improvements, show that our owners are prepared to invest and so convince one player in every window to sign who otherwise might not have.
If it improves the crowd sound in the ground and therefore improves the atmosphere and makes it more difficult for away teams to play at Portman Road.
With all that, if it takes 15 years to amass £151m is it then a good investment? Good investments are not always financial.
Returns on investment are not always directly related to cash returns. You affect the things you can, and that is your home stadia. [Post edited 20 Oct 9:19]
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 09:18 - Oct 20 with 1515 views | Dennyx4 |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 09:11 - Oct 20 by waveneyblue |
I would suggest a Tuesday night, on TV with another home game 4 days later isnt a guide to whether we need a bigger capacity. |
Majority of the non restricted view that are still available are likely to be season ticket resales. |  | | |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 10:26 - Oct 20 with 1362 views | darkhorse28 |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 09:17 - Oct 20 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"I get the argument that we need to replace the Cobbold Stand so that Portman Road can be a non-match day venue"
"Are Gamechanger ready going to get a return on their investment"
If we spend £150m on a New Cobbold and we add 3-4000 seats, the ground can operate as a 362 day a year venue.
If the ground improvements, plus the training ground improvements, show that our owners are prepared to invest and so convince one player in every window to sign who otherwise might not have.
If it improves the crowd sound in the ground and therefore improves the atmosphere and makes it more difficult for away teams to play at Portman Road.
With all that, if it takes 15 years to amass £151m is it then a good investment? Good investments are not always financial.
Returns on investment are not always directly related to cash returns. You affect the things you can, and that is your home stadia. [Post edited 20 Oct 9:19]
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We’ve spent £200 million on players.
Is the number of players really the issue. More than the quality of them?
We’ve spent more money on EFL standard players, than the likes of Bournemouth spend on genuine world class players.., typically £12 million it seems buys you a ready made world class striker, left back, and various other.
It’s less than we spent on any of Greaves, Clarke, OShea, Ogbenne, Macateer .., Sammie etc etc
Signing another player doesn’t seem to be an issue, value and quality very much does.
I’d rather we invested money in our off the field people to replace or compliment what we have. Either way. We’ve been a long long way from elite and the required standard, in that context, any conversation about capacity is redundant and a distraction, we won’t ever be established in the prem the way we operate off the pitch, we aren’t good enough, we aren’t even close.
See Burnley, Leeds, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham etc (even Sunderland).
We need to be as good or better. We need to stop pretending winning a game in the EFL makes us elite and world class!!! It doesn’t. And we’re struggling to even reach those levels.
Expand the ground.., but let’s have it straight, it won’t be needed while Mark Ashtons WBA address book is the backbone of our talent ID.
I won’t dig our Norwegian star ouy .., but he cost 50% more than Bournemouth’s French 19 year old who already looks premier league levels.
Not an outlier is it. Spending 50% more for half the quality!
How anyone thinks that’s what elite is genuinely puzzles me. That’s the minimum standard too the be elite. Not Man City, just enough to be established at that level, you have to at least match that.
We’ve wasted a generational opportunity. When else will we spend £200 million in new players.
We’ll never have a league one P&L and that opportunity again. We’ve been wasted hundred million at least on players that won’t ever make that level. | | | |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 10:34 - Oct 20 with 1330 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 10:26 - Oct 20 by darkhorse28 |
We’ve spent £200 million on players.
Is the number of players really the issue. More than the quality of them?
We’ve spent more money on EFL standard players, than the likes of Bournemouth spend on genuine world class players.., typically £12 million it seems buys you a ready made world class striker, left back, and various other.
It’s less than we spent on any of Greaves, Clarke, OShea, Ogbenne, Macateer .., Sammie etc etc
Signing another player doesn’t seem to be an issue, value and quality very much does.
I’d rather we invested money in our off the field people to replace or compliment what we have. Either way. We’ve been a long long way from elite and the required standard, in that context, any conversation about capacity is redundant and a distraction, we won’t ever be established in the prem the way we operate off the pitch, we aren’t good enough, we aren’t even close.
See Burnley, Leeds, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham etc (even Sunderland).
We need to be as good or better. We need to stop pretending winning a game in the EFL makes us elite and world class!!! It doesn’t. And we’re struggling to even reach those levels.
Expand the ground.., but let’s have it straight, it won’t be needed while Mark Ashtons WBA address book is the backbone of our talent ID.
I won’t dig our Norwegian star ouy .., but he cost 50% more than Bournemouth’s French 19 year old who already looks premier league levels.
Not an outlier is it. Spending 50% more for half the quality!
How anyone thinks that’s what elite is genuinely puzzles me. That’s the minimum standard too the be elite. Not Man City, just enough to be established at that level, you have to at least match that.
We’ve wasted a generational opportunity. When else will we spend £200 million in new players.
We’ll never have a league one P&L and that opportunity again. We’ve been wasted hundred million at least on players that won’t ever make that level. |
Is there anything you are happy about, apart from being as negative as possible. |  |
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 11:29 - Oct 20 with 1161 views | Plums |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 09:18 - Oct 20 by Dennyx4 |
Majority of the non restricted view that are still available are likely to be season ticket resales. |
I was delighted to pick up three of them together in the SAR last night. It's half term in a few places as well which will affect people's ability to go to the game.
Love PR under the lights and it'll be the first night game there for my two.
Excellent stuff. |  |
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 11:40 - Oct 20 with 1091 views | Illinoisblue |
We need a new Cobbold stand because it’s over 50 years old and not fit for purpose. |  |
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 12:09 - Oct 20 with 991 views | longtimefan |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 10:26 - Oct 20 by darkhorse28 |
We’ve spent £200 million on players.
Is the number of players really the issue. More than the quality of them?
We’ve spent more money on EFL standard players, than the likes of Bournemouth spend on genuine world class players.., typically £12 million it seems buys you a ready made world class striker, left back, and various other.
It’s less than we spent on any of Greaves, Clarke, OShea, Ogbenne, Macateer .., Sammie etc etc
Signing another player doesn’t seem to be an issue, value and quality very much does.
I’d rather we invested money in our off the field people to replace or compliment what we have. Either way. We’ve been a long long way from elite and the required standard, in that context, any conversation about capacity is redundant and a distraction, we won’t ever be established in the prem the way we operate off the pitch, we aren’t good enough, we aren’t even close.
See Burnley, Leeds, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham etc (even Sunderland).
We need to be as good or better. We need to stop pretending winning a game in the EFL makes us elite and world class!!! It doesn’t. And we’re struggling to even reach those levels.
Expand the ground.., but let’s have it straight, it won’t be needed while Mark Ashtons WBA address book is the backbone of our talent ID.
I won’t dig our Norwegian star ouy .., but he cost 50% more than Bournemouth’s French 19 year old who already looks premier league levels.
Not an outlier is it. Spending 50% more for half the quality!
How anyone thinks that’s what elite is genuinely puzzles me. That’s the minimum standard too the be elite. Not Man City, just enough to be established at that level, you have to at least match that.
We’ve wasted a generational opportunity. When else will we spend £200 million in new players.
We’ll never have a league one P&L and that opportunity again. We’ve been wasted hundred million at least on players that won’t ever make that level. |
You're really upset after that 6th home defeat aren't you  | | | |
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 12:38 - Oct 20 with 913 views | Illinoisblue |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 10:26 - Oct 20 by darkhorse28 |
We’ve spent £200 million on players.
Is the number of players really the issue. More than the quality of them?
We’ve spent more money on EFL standard players, than the likes of Bournemouth spend on genuine world class players.., typically £12 million it seems buys you a ready made world class striker, left back, and various other.
It’s less than we spent on any of Greaves, Clarke, OShea, Ogbenne, Macateer .., Sammie etc etc
Signing another player doesn’t seem to be an issue, value and quality very much does.
I’d rather we invested money in our off the field people to replace or compliment what we have. Either way. We’ve been a long long way from elite and the required standard, in that context, any conversation about capacity is redundant and a distraction, we won’t ever be established in the prem the way we operate off the pitch, we aren’t good enough, we aren’t even close.
See Burnley, Leeds, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham etc (even Sunderland).
We need to be as good or better. We need to stop pretending winning a game in the EFL makes us elite and world class!!! It doesn’t. And we’re struggling to even reach those levels.
Expand the ground.., but let’s have it straight, it won’t be needed while Mark Ashtons WBA address book is the backbone of our talent ID.
I won’t dig our Norwegian star ouy .., but he cost 50% more than Bournemouth’s French 19 year old who already looks premier league levels.
Not an outlier is it. Spending 50% more for half the quality!
How anyone thinks that’s what elite is genuinely puzzles me. That’s the minimum standard too the be elite. Not Man City, just enough to be established at that level, you have to at least match that.
We’ve wasted a generational opportunity. When else will we spend £200 million in new players.
We’ll never have a league one P&L and that opportunity again. We’ve been wasted hundred million at least on players that won’t ever make that level. |
So many typos and grammatical errors. Definitely not elite. | |
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 13:18 - Oct 20 with 812 views | longtimefan |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 12:38 - Oct 20 by Illinoisblue |
So many typos and grammatical errors. Definitely not elite. |
What about the factual errors? We haven't spent 200M and neither Ogbene or Szmodics cost 12M  | | | |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 13:27 - Oct 20 with 772 views | farkenhell |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 13:18 - Oct 20 by longtimefan |
What about the factual errors? We haven't spent 200M and neither Ogbene or Szmodics cost 12M |
Beat me to it! | | | |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 13:42 - Oct 20 with 716 views | Illinoisblue |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 13:18 - Oct 20 by longtimefan |
What about the factual errors? We haven't spent 200M and neither Ogbene or Szmodics cost 12M |
The lies are a given. Interestingly there’s an idiot with a username of Tractor Guy who posts similarly negative and largely inaccurate sheeite on fb. Almost certainly the same guy. Just today he’s posting a comment on the official FB ITFC page with the same 200m drivel. Almost as if he’s not a Town fan. | |
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 13:51 - Oct 20 with 678 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 10:26 - Oct 20 by darkhorse28 |
We’ve spent £200 million on players.
Is the number of players really the issue. More than the quality of them?
We’ve spent more money on EFL standard players, than the likes of Bournemouth spend on genuine world class players.., typically £12 million it seems buys you a ready made world class striker, left back, and various other.
It’s less than we spent on any of Greaves, Clarke, OShea, Ogbenne, Macateer .., Sammie etc etc
Signing another player doesn’t seem to be an issue, value and quality very much does.
I’d rather we invested money in our off the field people to replace or compliment what we have. Either way. We’ve been a long long way from elite and the required standard, in that context, any conversation about capacity is redundant and a distraction, we won’t ever be established in the prem the way we operate off the pitch, we aren’t good enough, we aren’t even close.
See Burnley, Leeds, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham etc (even Sunderland).
We need to be as good or better. We need to stop pretending winning a game in the EFL makes us elite and world class!!! It doesn’t. And we’re struggling to even reach those levels.
Expand the ground.., but let’s have it straight, it won’t be needed while Mark Ashtons WBA address book is the backbone of our talent ID.
I won’t dig our Norwegian star ouy .., but he cost 50% more than Bournemouth’s French 19 year old who already looks premier league levels.
Not an outlier is it. Spending 50% more for half the quality!
How anyone thinks that’s what elite is genuinely puzzles me. That’s the minimum standard too the be elite. Not Man City, just enough to be established at that level, you have to at least match that.
We’ve wasted a generational opportunity. When else will we spend £200 million in new players.
We’ll never have a league one P&L and that opportunity again. We’ve been wasted hundred million at least on players that won’t ever make that level. |
These posts are nothing but baiting, and end up derailing good discussions. Putting the poster on ignore may mask their drivel for many, but unless everyone does so, it still results in disrupting the thread.
Gav, Phil - how long do we need to put up with this disruption? | | | |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 13:59 - Oct 20 with 641 views | ghostofescobar |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 11:40 - Oct 20 by Illinoisblue |
We need a new Cobbold stand because it’s over 50 years old and not fit for purpose. |
I think this is the key point. The capacity is slightly secondary here. Even if we decide not to increase capacity by one single seat, the stand still needs replacing. I do wonder whether there is the possibility of rebuilding the stand with a very slight increase, but with the option to perhaps fill in the corners to increase capacity further if/when we are an established PL club? |  |
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 14:07 - Oct 20 with 607 views | blueoutlook |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 13:51 - Oct 20 by SuffolkPunchFC |
These posts are nothing but baiting, and end up derailing good discussions. Putting the poster on ignore may mask their drivel for many, but unless everyone does so, it still results in disrupting the thread.
Gav, Phil - how long do we need to put up with this disruption? |
A forum is for everyone’s views, that’s not to say you agree with them, but you can’t really go trying to get someone banned just because they don’t hold your views. It’s what a forum is about,so people can make their own case otherwise there would be no point to forums at all. |  | | |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 14:26 - Oct 20 with 544 views | rgp1 |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 11:40 - Oct 20 by Illinoisblue |
We need a new Cobbold stand because it’s over 50 years old and not fit for purpose. |
Yes probably right, unfortunately as Ashton himself said. New stand has to be operational and open 365 to justify paying for itself. The 50 year old stand argument doesn't work. Look at Barnsleys main stand. I would suggest it's way older than the Cobbold.
Another thing to consider. If we don't make it back to the premier league this season, I suspect ticket sales will drop even further, hence the season ticket waiting list which I guess the club have put in place to gauge demand should we fail to get promoted. | | | |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 14:38 - Oct 20 with 508 views | flykickingbybgunn |
I cant get to the game on Tuesday so I put my ST in the Cobbold up for resale last week. I have had to do that a few times.
This is the first time it has not yet been resold. |  | | |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 14:40 - Oct 20 with 499 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 14:07 - Oct 20 by blueoutlook |
A forum is for everyone’s views, that’s not to say you agree with them, but you can’t really go trying to get someone banned just because they don’t hold your views. It’s what a forum is about,so people can make their own case otherwise there would be no point to forums at all. |
There's a country mile difference between having different views and trolling/baiting others. I'm sure you can understand the difference.
A poster that is truly interested in discussing opinion will engage in debate when challenged. This poster refuses to do that, and just ignores any attempt to debate with them. Many of us have tried to engage them over false claims, but to no avail. That demonstrates an intent at mischief and discourse, not a serious attempt at debating with others - and these do not contribute to a forum such as this. [Post edited 20 Oct 15:59]
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 15:26 - Oct 20 with 387 views | Illinoisblue |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 14:40 - Oct 20 by SuffolkPunchFC |
There's a country mile difference between having different views and trolling/baiting others. I'm sure you can understand the difference.
A poster that is truly interested in discussing opinion will engage in debate when challenged. This poster refuses to do that, and just ignores any attempt to debate with them. Many of us have tried to engage them over false claims, but to no avail. That demonstrates an intent at mischief and discourse, not a serious attempt at debating with others - and these do not contribute to a forum such as this. [Post edited 20 Oct 15:59]
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Exactly this. The lack of engagement is a clear sign of trolling. Just dumps a provocative error-filled post and then runs away. | |
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| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 15:33 - Oct 20 with 361 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Plenty of non-RV seats available for Charlton on 12:09 - Oct 20 by longtimefan |
You're really upset after that 6th home defeat aren't you |
As a matter of interest, if you have a hour to listen to it, Radio Norfolk allow you listen to canary Call online. Only available for 28 dsys. | |
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