| But have they got English A-levels? 22:47 - Oct 20 with 1608 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
'Every few weeks, another announcement. Immigrants must do this to earn the right to stay in the UK. Others must do that if they are to be allowed to work in the UK. The demands grow more punitive and absurd, like the whiteboard of a meeting where everyone agreed there were no bad ideas. Voluntary work! A decade to receive citizenship! Hear me out: English A-levels!'
....seriously, the state of the Labour Party! |  |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 23:02 - Oct 20 with 1572 views | MattinLondon |
When you say English A-Levels - isn’t it that in order to gain citizenship, they need to speak English to A-Level standard rather than identifying the key themes to ‘Sense and Sensibility’? |  | | |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 23:10 - Oct 20 with 1547 views | J2BLUE |
They need to speak English to A level standard to come here.
It's basic common sense. Every country should have a similar policy. |  |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 23:57 - Oct 20 with 1488 views | bournemouthblue |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 23:10 - Oct 20 by J2BLUE |
They need to speak English to A level standard to come here.
It's basic common sense. Every country should have a similar policy. |
How many British citizens speak English to A-Level standard? |  |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 00:35 - Oct 21 with 1440 views | J2BLUE |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 23:57 - Oct 20 by bournemouthblue |
How many British citizens speak English to A-Level standard? |
If you look at the details it's for jobs where this would likely be a requirement anyway. I don't think anyone is expecting asylum seekers to start analysing the use of language in a Shakespeare play. | |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 01:03 - Oct 21 with 1395 views | Sarge |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 23:10 - Oct 20 by J2BLUE |
They need to speak English to A level standard to come here.
It's basic common sense. Every country should have a similar policy. |
Indeed. Why do people have a problem with this? |  | | |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 01:29 - Oct 21 with 1377 views | mutters |
Look forward to other countries applying the same.
Imagine all those Brits living in Spain and France to suddenly have to learn the language before they can settle there! Thailand is another.
Personally I think it's a good idea to ensure integration, there are pockets of communities in the UK where English is not spoken and unknown to a decent level. The same applies to Brits abroad. I've visited Thailand a large number of times and it's blooming rare to hear expats speak Thai. |  |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 07:23 - Oct 21 with 1246 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 01:29 - Oct 21 by mutters |
Look forward to other countries applying the same.
Imagine all those Brits living in Spain and France to suddenly have to learn the language before they can settle there! Thailand is another.
Personally I think it's a good idea to ensure integration, there are pockets of communities in the UK where English is not spoken and unknown to a decent level. The same applies to Brits abroad. I've visited Thailand a large number of times and it's blooming rare to hear expats speak Thai. |
It's clearly meaningless showboating by Labour, is GCSE standard not good enough or might they up it to degree level in future I wonder. | |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 07:34 - Oct 21 with 1223 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 00:35 - Oct 21 by J2BLUE |
If you look at the details it's for jobs where this would likely be a requirement anyway. I don't think anyone is expecting asylum seekers to start analysing the use of language in a Shakespeare play. |
Those migrant doctors working for the NHS are going to love finding time for a little voluntary work too (another requirement) to prove their 'Britishness!' [Post edited 21 Oct 7:35]
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 07:50 - Oct 21 with 1156 views | Axeldalai_lama |
I'm pretty much a woke lefty in lots of these immigration debates and I have no problem in these policies and find this portrayal a bit weird to be honest.
As others have pointed out many many other countries have very similar things. There are a multitude of hoops to jump through to be a citizen or get extended leave to remain in many countries. Speaking the language and doing a bit of community work doesn't seem ridiculous. Especially after years already here, this is about citizenship and staying forever is it not? Not popping over for a few months for work. 'A-level' standard is surely just a way of quantifying, whereas if it was 'a good standard' or whatever then it would be lept on as unclear and vague. |  | | |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 07:54 - Oct 21 with 1145 views | mutters |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 07:34 - Oct 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Those migrant doctors working for the NHS are going to love finding time for a little voluntary work too (another requirement) to prove their 'Britishness!' [Post edited 21 Oct 7:35]
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I had to spent some time at a hospital recently, and the reliance on immigration to make the NHS function is there to see. Everybody spoke good enough English, and they certainly do enough to help society already, to make them do voluntary work so they could keep their visa would be insane imo.
Personally I love chatting to people from other parts of the world, one of the nurses was from central Greece, lovely lass learnt about a part of that country I knew nothing about as I've only ever been to the major sites | |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 08:03 - Oct 21 with 1114 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 07:54 - Oct 21 by mutters |
I had to spent some time at a hospital recently, and the reliance on immigration to make the NHS function is there to see. Everybody spoke good enough English, and they certainly do enough to help society already, to make them do voluntary work so they could keep their visa would be insane imo.
Personally I love chatting to people from other parts of the world, one of the nurses was from central Greece, lovely lass learnt about a part of that country I knew nothing about as I've only ever been to the major sites |
I could be wrong but isn't this part of the citizenship and permanent residency that usually comes down the line after settling for a while? Not just expecting everyone on a six month work visa to head to the local food bank and help out. | | | |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 08:14 - Oct 21 with 1077 views | BlueBoots |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 23:57 - Oct 20 by bournemouthblue |
How many British citizens speak English to A-Level standard? |
You ain't wrong, me old mucker |  |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 08:40 - Oct 21 with 1018 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 08:14 - Oct 21 by BlueBoots |
You ain't wrong, me old mucker |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 08:48 - Oct 21 with 979 views | noggin |
Imagine if there was already a system of language requirements for immigrants. Did Brexit prevent Britain from using this system?
Does Britain arrange free language and social skills education for working age immigrants and their children? If not, surely that should be implemented and it should be mandatory until the required level is reached.
https://prove.hkdir.no/en/language-levels [Post edited 21 Oct 9:11]
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 09:30 - Oct 21 with 888 views | DJR |
This is playing to the gallery, as well as rather deceptive.
Language proficiency in all languages is graded from A1 to C2, with C2 being the highest and, in terms of oral fluency and understanding, is I imagine met by most native Britons in their early teens.
What is proposed involves increasing from B1 to B2 the language requirement but this is the case only for certain visas.
It does not strike me that someone at B2 level has acquired the level of English expected of someone at A-level standard. [Post edited 21 Oct 9:58]
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 09:37 - Oct 21 with 871 views | DJR |
Given the following from the Migration Observatory, the expression "tilting at windmills" springs to mind. But who likes facts to get in the way of rational debate?
"In 2021, 90% (9 million) of migrants living in England or Wales self-reported speaking English without difficulty. Just over half (52%) spoke English as their main language, and a further 38% had another main language but spoke English well or very well (Figure 1). Only 1% of migrants said they could not speak English at all (142,000)."
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/english-language-use-a | | | |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 12:22 - Oct 21 with 734 views | Bent_double |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 07:50 - Oct 21 by Axeldalai_lama |
I'm pretty much a woke lefty in lots of these immigration debates and I have no problem in these policies and find this portrayal a bit weird to be honest.
As others have pointed out many many other countries have very similar things. There are a multitude of hoops to jump through to be a citizen or get extended leave to remain in many countries. Speaking the language and doing a bit of community work doesn't seem ridiculous. Especially after years already here, this is about citizenship and staying forever is it not? Not popping over for a few months for work. 'A-level' standard is surely just a way of quantifying, whereas if it was 'a good standard' or whatever then it would be lept on as unclear and vague. |
Like you, I'm a bit of a lefty - more so as I've got older, which is the wrong way round, aparently! - and I hate to hear the constant bleating on about immigrants from a certain type of person, ie middle to older-age white Brits.
However, just had a nice couple in my B&B for the last 2 nights - OAPs, in their 70s/80s, white man, black lady - they live on the outskirts of London and were telling me how bad things are around there. Mainly the hatred between Muslims and Jews - couldn't verify anything obviously, but they didn't seem to have a problem with either 'side', so not reason to think they were lying.
But the other thing was a local councillor, who couldn't speak a word of English, so if you wanted to see them, an interpreter costing the council £70 ph would need to be present.
Now I'm all for letting people come here and work, but surely a good command of English has to be a bare minimum, especially if your job is to represent the people around you. Crazy that this has been allowed to happen. |  |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 14:20 - Oct 21 with 639 views | Alberto_the_frog |
What if they want to work in Wales? |  | | |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 14:33 - Oct 21 with 588 views | Pendejo |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 12:22 - Oct 21 by Bent_double |
Like you, I'm a bit of a lefty - more so as I've got older, which is the wrong way round, aparently! - and I hate to hear the constant bleating on about immigrants from a certain type of person, ie middle to older-age white Brits.
However, just had a nice couple in my B&B for the last 2 nights - OAPs, in their 70s/80s, white man, black lady - they live on the outskirts of London and were telling me how bad things are around there. Mainly the hatred between Muslims and Jews - couldn't verify anything obviously, but they didn't seem to have a problem with either 'side', so not reason to think they were lying.
But the other thing was a local councillor, who couldn't speak a word of English, so if you wanted to see them, an interpreter costing the council £70 ph would need to be present.
Now I'm all for letting people come here and work, but surely a good command of English has to be a bare minimum, especially if your job is to represent the people around you. Crazy that this has been allowed to happen. |
Would be interesting to know what Borough (if London) or district (if not), sounds like a scam to me, especially if the interpreter is a relative.
A real shocker IF verifiable |  |
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| But have they got English A-levels? on 14:37 - Oct 21 with 576 views | Pendejo |
| But have they got English A-levels? on 08:48 - Oct 21 by noggin |
Imagine if there was already a system of language requirements for immigrants. Did Brexit prevent Britain from using this system?
Does Britain arrange free language and social skills education for working age immigrants and their children? If not, surely that should be implemented and it should be mandatory until the required level is reached.
https://prove.hkdir.no/en/language-levels [Post edited 21 Oct 9:11]
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Pretty sure my wife had to undertake an "ESOL" course before being granted British Citizenship
English for Speakers of Other Languages???
This course was free, as was the jewellery making course she took at the same time. | |
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