| Things are coming to a head 09:41 - Oct 22 with 3263 views | itfc_bucks |
It's increasingly clear that Plan B is to do more of Plan A.
I think it's also quite clear that KM doesn't know his best XI.
Despite significant investment in the attacking department, we are unable to create sufficient clear chances and to take the ones we do. This only got worse as the game wore on.
Despite significant investment, there was little cohesion in our midfield and it was bypassed with alarming ease.
There's no more time for excuses - there's a pressing need to get this right.
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| Things are coming to a head on 09:51 - Oct 22 with 2619 views | Herbivore |
We created plenty enough chances, imo. 2.19 xG last night, which is pretty high. Akpom had two excellent chances at 0-0 and should really have converted at least one of them, we had other good opportunities too. We need to be more clinical for sure though. And we need to actually do the basics of defending, the goals we conceded last night were embarrassing. |  |
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| Things are coming to a head on 09:53 - Oct 22 with 2578 views | itfc48 |
| Things are coming to a head on 09:51 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
We created plenty enough chances, imo. 2.19 xG last night, which is pretty high. Akpom had two excellent chances at 0-0 and should really have converted at least one of them, we had other good opportunities too. We need to be more clinical for sure though. And we need to actually do the basics of defending, the goals we conceded last night were embarrassing. |
Yes if we get that first goal it’s a different game. We currently look an absolute mess when getting hit on the counter. Players are getting dragged all over the place and don’t seem to have an idea which threats they should be covering. | | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:07 - Oct 22 with 2488 views | mellowblue |
| Things are coming to a head on 09:51 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
We created plenty enough chances, imo. 2.19 xG last night, which is pretty high. Akpom had two excellent chances at 0-0 and should really have converted at least one of them, we had other good opportunities too. We need to be more clinical for sure though. And we need to actually do the basics of defending, the goals we conceded last night were embarrassing. |
statistically you are right, but when we had the lions share of the possession first half, it was all timid and ambitious stuff that did not create proper chances. Created a load of corners only. Apart from the Akpom missed header, (struggling to remember his other chance now), It is only when we took the shackles off at 2-0 that the intensity flowed and the chances came as the game opened. Two contrasting sides.
One with tactical nous, energy, efficiency and confidence, with not much talent, the other with little nous, energy, efficiency and confidence and but with plenty of talent. Not hard to guess which is which. For all the chances, their keeper did not get his gloves too dirty. | | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:09 - Oct 22 with 2450 views | Herbivore |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:07 - Oct 22 by mellowblue |
statistically you are right, but when we had the lions share of the possession first half, it was all timid and ambitious stuff that did not create proper chances. Created a load of corners only. Apart from the Akpom missed header, (struggling to remember his other chance now), It is only when we took the shackles off at 2-0 that the intensity flowed and the chances came as the game opened. Two contrasting sides.
One with tactical nous, energy, efficiency and confidence, with not much talent, the other with little nous, energy, efficiency and confidence and but with plenty of talent. Not hard to guess which is which. For all the chances, their keeper did not get his gloves too dirty. |
Akpom hit the bar when he really ought to have hit the target first half. Azon had a chance from a couple of yards out that the keeper did well to smother. We really ought to have been ahead before we gifted them the lead. | |
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| Things are coming to a head on 10:11 - Oct 22 with 2420 views | IH_KGF |
| Things are coming to a head on 09:51 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
We created plenty enough chances, imo. 2.19 xG last night, which is pretty high. Akpom had two excellent chances at 0-0 and should really have converted at least one of them, we had other good opportunities too. We need to be more clinical for sure though. And we need to actually do the basics of defending, the goals we conceded last night were embarrassing. |
Azon had 2 point blank chances saved by the keeper too (both at 0-0 i think?)
edit - sorry just seen you post above about the Azon chance [Post edited 22 Oct 10:12]
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| Things are coming to a head on 10:12 - Oct 22 with 2388 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:09 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
Akpom hit the bar when he really ought to have hit the target first half. Azon had a chance from a couple of yards out that the keeper did well to smother. We really ought to have been ahead before we gifted them the lead. |
I thought they had the two best chances of the first half with the one on one and the tap in at the back post that he somehow spooned over. | | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:16 - Oct 22 with 2355 views | Sharkey |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:07 - Oct 22 by mellowblue |
statistically you are right, but when we had the lions share of the possession first half, it was all timid and ambitious stuff that did not create proper chances. Created a load of corners only. Apart from the Akpom missed header, (struggling to remember his other chance now), It is only when we took the shackles off at 2-0 that the intensity flowed and the chances came as the game opened. Two contrasting sides.
One with tactical nous, energy, efficiency and confidence, with not much talent, the other with little nous, energy, efficiency and confidence and but with plenty of talent. Not hard to guess which is which. For all the chances, their keeper did not get his gloves too dirty. |
"Not hard to guess which is which". One good thing about last night's game was the classic kits, like from a Subbuteo basic box set. |  | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:18 - Oct 22 with 2329 views | BloomBlue |
The annoying thing is on paper you wouldn't replace any of our forwards with Charlton's. But their forwards found space, they stayed clam when they had a chance. They kept shots low and on target, rather high and wide like us.
We're struggling with basic things |  | | |
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| Things are coming to a head on 10:19 - Oct 22 with 2325 views | RonFearonsHair |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:12 - Oct 22 by tractorboy1978 |
I thought they had the two best chances of the first half with the one on one and the tap in at the back post that he somehow spooned over. |
In hindsight we would possibly have been much better off had Charlton scored in the first half. |  | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:19 - Oct 22 with 2326 views | BlueForYou |
We need to bring in a proper defence coach, identify two proper centre backs who can actually defend & get them in the transfer window. Let Greaves & O'Shea go in the same window. Huge problem solved!
This is not on our midfield or attacking players although they could up their games somewhat! Put two proper centre backs & a right midfielder into last night's side & Id back them to come good. |  | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:22 - Oct 22 with 2274 views | IH_KGF |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:18 - Oct 22 by BloomBlue |
The annoying thing is on paper you wouldn't replace any of our forwards with Charlton's. But their forwards found space, they stayed clam when they had a chance. They kept shots low and on target, rather high and wide like us.
We're struggling with basic things |
When you say forwards do you mean Hirst and Azon? or the collective of the 5/6 that back them up? | | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:24 - Oct 22 with 2259 views | HighgateBlue |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:19 - Oct 22 by BlueForYou |
We need to bring in a proper defence coach, identify two proper centre backs who can actually defend & get them in the transfer window. Let Greaves & O'Shea go in the same window. Huge problem solved!
This is not on our midfield or attacking players although they could up their games somewhat! Put two proper centre backs & a right midfielder into last night's side & Id back them to come good. |
The only way this is not on our attacking players is if this is on our manager.
2 games in a row, we should have gone in ahead at half time, and it's a different game if we do.
12 shots, 1 on target in that first half. Is that the defence's fault? 30 shots, 5 on target in the whole game.
Don't get me wrong, that defence was a comedy masterclass last night, but really, the attack is a shower too.
As for right midfielders - how many right sided players have we bought, and how much has been spent? |  | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:26 - Oct 22 with 2244 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:18 - Oct 22 by BloomBlue |
The annoying thing is on paper you wouldn't replace any of our forwards with Charlton's. But their forwards found space, they stayed clam when they had a chance. They kept shots low and on target, rather high and wide like us.
We're struggling with basic things |
Had Charlton defended like we did we would have scored a hatful of goals and been easy winners.
Nothing is going right at the moment. We let Gray go out on loan and within hours lose Palmer. |  |
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| Things are coming to a head on 10:33 - Oct 22 with 2187 views | RegencyBlue |
McKenna still has some credit in the bank but he’s burning through it rapidly!
After spaffing the best part of £150 million on players we are toothless up front and incapable of defending effectively. Add to that we appear to have been sussed out tactically and there are a lot of problems to sort out.
I’ve said it before that I thought McKenna would be given this season to get us back up but if we are still off the pace at Xmas I think he’s in trouble. |  | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:34 - Oct 22 with 2168 views | Simonds92 |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:07 - Oct 22 by mellowblue |
statistically you are right, but when we had the lions share of the possession first half, it was all timid and ambitious stuff that did not create proper chances. Created a load of corners only. Apart from the Akpom missed header, (struggling to remember his other chance now), It is only when we took the shackles off at 2-0 that the intensity flowed and the chances came as the game opened. Two contrasting sides.
One with tactical nous, energy, efficiency and confidence, with not much talent, the other with little nous, energy, efficiency and confidence and but with plenty of talent. Not hard to guess which is which. For all the chances, their keeper did not get his gloves too dirty. |
This feels like the complete opposite of what happened last night. We created very little when we went 2 or 3 down. Akpom hit the bar 1st half and should have scored the header. Equally, what people are forgetting is that Charlton had 3 big chances first half where they should have scored atleast 1. | | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:38 - Oct 22 with 2137 views | Central_Blue |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:09 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
Akpom hit the bar when he really ought to have hit the target first half. Azon had a chance from a couple of yards out that the keeper did well to smother. We really ought to have been ahead before we gifted them the lead. |
“We really ought to have been ahead before we gifted them the lead” has been the story of too many games already this season. My son joined me to watch the game at around 30 minuting. He asked how it had been going and I said we’re playing pretty well, so it’s just a matter of time before Charlton score from their first real attack. Wasn’t far off, but I didn’t envisage a 0-3 defeat. |  | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:42 - Oct 22 with 2115 views | EdwardStone |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:18 - Oct 22 by BloomBlue |
The annoying thing is on paper you wouldn't replace any of our forwards with Charlton's. But their forwards found space, they stayed clam when they had a chance. They kept shots low and on target, rather high and wide like us.
We're struggling with basic things |
Not sure that their forwards kept shots low.... I think one first=half effort of theirs is still in orbit |  | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:45 - Oct 22 with 2090 views | BlueForYou |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:24 - Oct 22 by HighgateBlue |
The only way this is not on our attacking players is if this is on our manager.
2 games in a row, we should have gone in ahead at half time, and it's a different game if we do.
12 shots, 1 on target in that first half. Is that the defence's fault? 30 shots, 5 on target in the whole game.
Don't get me wrong, that defence was a comedy masterclass last night, but really, the attack is a shower too.
As for right midfielders - how many right sided players have we bought, and how much has been spent? |
Defence has been a comedy masterclass for 18 months, & wasn't hugely strong before that. He has to admit that he's got the defensive signings wrong & then do something about it. If he doesn't then he's going to lose his job. I'd rather he didn't go, so therefore he must know what he must do. | | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 12:43 - Oct 22 with 1932 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Things are coming to a head on 09:51 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
We created plenty enough chances, imo. 2.19 xG last night, which is pretty high. Akpom had two excellent chances at 0-0 and should really have converted at least one of them, we had other good opportunities too. We need to be more clinical for sure though. And we need to actually do the basics of defending, the goals we conceded last night were embarrassing. |
We did last year too. Spurs at home we should have scored multiple times in the first 10mins and lost 4-0 or whatever it was.
We seem toothless up top and have for ages. I don’t think we’re direct enough and when we stand off at the back (it’s no wonder our players look good in training), we’re basically not executing at either end of the pitch. | | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 12:57 - Oct 22 with 1834 views | Herbivore |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:38 - Oct 22 by Central_Blue |
“We really ought to have been ahead before we gifted them the lead” has been the story of too many games already this season. My son joined me to watch the game at around 30 minuting. He asked how it had been going and I said we’re playing pretty well, so it’s just a matter of time before Charlton score from their first real attack. Wasn’t far off, but I didn’t envisage a 0-3 defeat. |
Completely agree, it's become a pattern, more so away from home than at Portman Road before last night. We've got to be more clinical and we've got to stop making such ridiculous basic errors at the back. Nobody is gift wrapping goals for us the way that we have been for our opponents. Except Sheffield United, who were fully cack. [Post edited 22 Oct 12:58]
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| Things are coming to a head on 13:59 - Oct 22 with 1684 views | Bramidan |
| Things are coming to a head on 12:57 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
Completely agree, it's become a pattern, more so away from home than at Portman Road before last night. We've got to be more clinical and we've got to stop making such ridiculous basic errors at the back. Nobody is gift wrapping goals for us the way that we have been for our opponents. Except Sheffield United, who were fully cack. [Post edited 22 Oct 12:58]
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I think we all ( manager included) need to accept we are not as good as we think we are.
It seems that we can’t rely on passing the ball backwards and sideways thinking we are a top class possession based side, far better than other Championship teams.
They might rely on energy, chasing and being hard to beat but they are getting results against us.
I think the frailties of our defence ( and midfield) suggest we should have a more defensive set up, at least at the start of the game and rely on breaking fast, Nots Forest last season.
If we get an early goal or want to be more expansive later on why can’t the system be tweaked?
These are professional footballers, probably been in academies since school days, surely it’s not to much to ask them to change if the manager changes the system.
Do we actually have a plan B different from plan A? | | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 15:02 - Oct 22 with 1455 views | itfc_bucks |
| Things are coming to a head on 13:59 - Oct 22 by Bramidan |
I think we all ( manager included) need to accept we are not as good as we think we are.
It seems that we can’t rely on passing the ball backwards and sideways thinking we are a top class possession based side, far better than other Championship teams.
They might rely on energy, chasing and being hard to beat but they are getting results against us.
I think the frailties of our defence ( and midfield) suggest we should have a more defensive set up, at least at the start of the game and rely on breaking fast, Nots Forest last season.
If we get an early goal or want to be more expansive later on why can’t the system be tweaked?
These are professional footballers, probably been in academies since school days, surely it’s not to much to ask them to change if the manager changes the system.
Do we actually have a plan B different from plan A? |
I believe my point was that Plan B was just a less structured version of Plan A? | |
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| Things are coming to a head on 15:13 - Oct 22 with 1407 views | Broadbent23 |
| Things are coming to a head on 10:09 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
Akpom hit the bar when he really ought to have hit the target first half. Azon had a chance from a couple of yards out that the keeper did well to smother. We really ought to have been ahead before we gifted them the lead. |
What makes last night's result worst is that we lost to Middlesbrough in a chaotic fashion and any team would want to make amends. Our first half showed desire and effort with no substance . Then in the second half we were defending like rabbits in front of headlamps and playing like an U18 side. It is either a player problem or a managerial problem. Our team of 23/24 would have won 3-0. The club fans meeting in November will be very heated at this rate. | |
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| Things are coming to a head on 16:06 - Oct 22 with 1271 views | blueoutlook |
| Things are coming to a head on 13:59 - Oct 22 by Bramidan |
I think we all ( manager included) need to accept we are not as good as we think we are.
It seems that we can’t rely on passing the ball backwards and sideways thinking we are a top class possession based side, far better than other Championship teams.
They might rely on energy, chasing and being hard to beat but they are getting results against us.
I think the frailties of our defence ( and midfield) suggest we should have a more defensive set up, at least at the start of the game and rely on breaking fast, Nots Forest last season.
If we get an early goal or want to be more expansive later on why can’t the system be tweaked?
These are professional footballers, probably been in academies since school days, surely it’s not to much to ask them to change if the manager changes the system.
Do we actually have a plan B different from plan A? |
This is the thing Mckenna has no plan B! |  | | |
| Things are coming to a head on 16:16 - Oct 22 with 1231 views | ArnieM |
| Things are coming to a head on 16:06 - Oct 22 by blueoutlook |
This is the thing Mckenna has no plan B! |
Been saying this for over 2 years. People finally appear to be waking up to that fact. I actually feel after last night (and PNE, Boro, Bristol etc al where we are so predictable and largely pretty tippy tappy football, but of little end product), that McKenna has sadly taken us as far as HE can go.
The " project" under our Anerican owners is far bigger than this manager. He demonstrates minimal " learning" and adjustment. Its becone groundhog day game on game under him now. I've personally lost faith in him now. Question is, have the players? |  |
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