| Humphreys 19:38 - Oct 29 with 2358 views | FrimleyBlue |
I wonder if we may see Cameron this weekend.
I do wonder what our plan is with Cam, back down to the u21s now, although playing the higher league so maybe more beneficial than previous seasons, But feel for his development he should be playing regular mens football.
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| Humphreys on 19:43 - Oct 29 with 2196 views | AVJones |
He got zero football in 2023/4 with us: he should have gone on loan that season.
Having played really well last year in League 1 with Wycombe, he seems to be nowhere near playing this year.
He's 22 tomorrow. We should let him leave in January and play football. |  | | |
| Humphreys on 19:49 - Oct 29 with 2163 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Humphreys on 19:43 - Oct 29 by AVJones |
He got zero football in 2023/4 with us: he should have gone on loan that season.
Having played really well last year in League 1 with Wycombe, he seems to be nowhere near playing this year.
He's 22 tomorrow. We should let him leave in January and play football. |
I felt that he and El Mizouni should have been offered as a pair on loan a few seasons back, so that they could play and develop together. Then repeat the next year and move up a League.
We should do the same with any promising RB and RW, or LB and LW. Send them as a pair to a Club at a level where they have a very good chance of success, and then move them up a season at a time.
It would help with settling in, but have the bigger long term effect of them developing the instinctive understanding of each others game. | | | |
| Humphreys on 19:55 - Oct 29 with 2115 views | AVJones |
| Humphreys on 19:49 - Oct 29 by ArnoldMoorhen |
I felt that he and El Mizouni should have been offered as a pair on loan a few seasons back, so that they could play and develop together. Then repeat the next year and move up a League.
We should do the same with any promising RB and RW, or LB and LW. Send them as a pair to a Club at a level where they have a very good chance of success, and then move them up a season at a time.
It would help with settling in, but have the bigger long term effect of them developing the instinctive understanding of each others game. |
Very interesting idea.
We certainly need to work out a route to bring players through. It's not working at the moment. | | | |
| Humphreys on 20:00 - Oct 29 with 2068 views | J2BLUE |
| Humphreys on 19:43 - Oct 29 by AVJones |
He got zero football in 2023/4 with us: he should have gone on loan that season.
Having played really well last year in League 1 with Wycombe, he seems to be nowhere near playing this year.
He's 22 tomorrow. We should let him leave in January and play football. |
I'm sure he will be allowed out when we bring in a back up LB and bring Morsy home in Jan. |  |
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| Humphreys on 23:05 - Oct 29 with 1570 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Afraid he doesn’t fit McKenna’s mantra of “if you’re old enough, you’re good enough”
Tongue in cheek of course… but it is strange how no young players of our own have made it through since KMc took over. Baggot, Humphreys, El Miz and more.
Surely Tudor Mendel will be on a bench soon with Szmodics and Akpom both out. |  | | |
| Humphreys on 08:13 - Oct 30 with 1198 views | BloomBlue |
I think the Townsend injury didnt help, given when it happened.
Yes we could get in another LB, but any LB will know they will play second fiddle to Leif. Its hard to attract players in that situation, that's why Townsend was excellent. We have Young who can play either, but Humphreys is a good 3rd backup.
Got a feeling things will change in Jan |  | | |
| Humphreys on 08:18 - Oct 30 with 1141 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Humphreys on 23:05 - Oct 29 by Matt_Netherlands |
Afraid he doesn’t fit McKenna’s mantra of “if you’re old enough, you’re good enough”
Tongue in cheek of course… but it is strange how no young players of our own have made it through since KMc took over. Baggot, Humphreys, El Miz and more.
Surely Tudor Mendel will be on a bench soon with Szmodics and Akpom both out. |
Not that strange.
They aren't good enough. |  |
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| Humphreys on 08:22 - Oct 30 with 1129 views | surreyblue |
| Humphreys on 19:43 - Oct 29 by AVJones |
He got zero football in 2023/4 with us: he should have gone on loan that season.
Having played really well last year in League 1 with Wycombe, he seems to be nowhere near playing this year.
He's 22 tomorrow. We should let him leave in January and play football. |
I'm not sure it's that easy. While Mckenna doesn't yet know his best XI, he clearly does know his best 20 for the matchday squad, with Button, Johnson, H. Clarke, Baggott, Humph, Burns as back-up. So it figures that those players aren't going to get much game time apart from cup runs and, importantly, when there are injuries. One injury to any of Taylor, Nunez, Cajuste or Matusiwa, and he is back on the bench and starting to play an important role for the club. If both Szmodics and Akpom are unavailable this weekend, chances are he will be playing too. | | | |
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| Humphreys on 08:24 - Oct 30 with 1119 views | AVJones |
| Humphreys on 08:13 - Oct 30 by BloomBlue |
I think the Townsend injury didnt help, given when it happened.
Yes we could get in another LB, but any LB will know they will play second fiddle to Leif. Its hard to attract players in that situation, that's why Townsend was excellent. We have Young who can play either, but Humphreys is a good 3rd backup.
Got a feeling things will change in Jan |
I’m sure you’re right re the Townsend injury and it’s timing.
CH is not a left back though, he’s an attacking midfielder. Clearly one who can play in other positions too, however if Young and Johnson are worth what we’re paying them one of them should be able to fill in there if required?
Other young players (and more importantly their agents) will look at CH, Baggott and notice what’s happening. | | | |
| Humphreys on 08:31 - Oct 30 with 1079 views | hype313 |
I always felt, despite his attributes, he was a little undergunned, however after a year in the rough and tumble of League 2 and getting player of the year, it's put that argument to bed.
I do wonder if the sheer size of the opposition we faced last year put the frightners on the management and they are not willing to take risks with him this year.
I would imagine, like others have said, he would've gone to somewhere like Luton this season if it wasn't for Townsend's season ending injury. |  |
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| Humphreys on 08:34 - Oct 30 with 1061 views | Wallingford_Boy |
No chance.
He's a good League 1 player, but won't make our starting XI with 4 ahead of him.
Time to let him go. |  |
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| Humphreys on 08:54 - Oct 30 with 997 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
I think the pathway for him to make it into the 1st team here get slimmer and slimmer as each transfer window passes on.
I wonder what interest was there in the summer - if a Championship club did enquire to take him on loan, did we want to keep him? Or was his interest capped at L1 level?
I would try and get him playing at Luton in the second half of the season. He could further his development by learning one or two things under Jack Wilshere's eye for 6 months. |  |
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| Humphreys on 09:28 - Oct 30 with 913 views | AVJones |
| Humphreys on 08:34 - Oct 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
No chance.
He's a good League 1 player, but won't make our starting XI with 4 ahead of him.
Time to let him go. |
I saw a lot of him with Wycombe last year, hence my interest I guess.
I’d put him at the level of a Chaplin or Burns.
Great attitude, real team man, excellent vision, ultimately though probably a little lightweight and not quick enough to play at the top level.
In the right formation with the right manager he could be a good player at Championship level I’d say.
And he’s not going to leapfrog 4 internationals in midfield. | | | |
| Humphreys on 10:40 - Oct 30 with 768 views | Ralphinho |
With Woolfy gone, H Clarke and Humphreys not getting a look in, it doesn't make our CAT1 academy look very appealing for top young talents. |  |
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| Humphreys on 11:17 - Oct 30 with 710 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Humphreys on 10:40 - Oct 30 by Ralphinho |
With Woolfy gone, H Clarke and Humphreys not getting a look in, it doesn't make our CAT1 academy look very appealing for top young talents. |
Not really true, we've signed a fair number of talents this year, Many from some club academies.
It'll take a few years to really show it's benefits but we're on the way, plus those that do come through will be of a certain quality i guess which you'd imagine has to be more than anything we;ve had come through in the past 10 or so years. | |
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| Humphreys on 12:45 - Oct 30 with 598 views | Bluemike31 |
Same with Baggott, the odd time he's played he's certainly never looked out of place and maybe should have played more. I think both Baggott & Humphreys are destined not to make the breakthrough here anytime soon. | | | |
| Humphreys on 12:53 - Oct 30 with 563 views | MrPotatoHead |
I don't necessarily buy the idea that him not going on loan = he's not developing. Playing is important but he's training with the best squad he's ever been a part of on paper, around people like Ashley Young every day, and international players. Its not a given that being out at Cardiff on loan or whatever is in any way better for him right now.
I do think he'll go somewhere in January though. |  | | |
| Humphreys on 12:55 - Oct 30 with 555 views | hype313 |
| Humphreys on 12:45 - Oct 30 by Bluemike31 |
Same with Baggott, the odd time he's played he's certainly never looked out of place and maybe should have played more. I think both Baggott & Humphreys are destined not to make the breakthrough here anytime soon. |
It's interesting isn't it, whenever I've seen Baggott he looks really good, got a huge stature and a great left Foot, but for some reason McKenna doesn't fancy him, obviously he has more of an eye than I do, and sees him in training on a daily basis, but to my eye, he looks like someone who could handle this league. | |
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| Humphreys on 13:04 - Oct 30 with 525 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Humphreys on 10:40 - Oct 30 by Ralphinho |
With Woolfy gone, H Clarke and Humphreys not getting a look in, it doesn't make our CAT1 academy look very appealing for top young talents. |
Yeah, those top young talents must look at the way we treated Hutchinson, delap, and now Egeli and think, I'm not going there I might get sold for tens of millions of pounds to a top premier league club.
Why does it matter whether they came through the academy or not? He's clearly not averse to playing young players. Genuinely that encapsulates the phrase 'if they're GOOD enough then they're old enough. The key being the good bit.
Do people forget the level we are playing at? We were in the premier league, we are now aiming to rightly finish in the promotion spots of the championship, we're not bumming around in league one making up the numbers. Youth players can't just have a gimme game or two to show we care, they have to be very good. |  | | |
| Humphreys on 13:21 - Oct 30 with 488 views | MrPotatoHead |
| Humphreys on 12:55 - Oct 30 by hype313 |
It's interesting isn't it, whenever I've seen Baggott he looks really good, got a huge stature and a great left Foot, but for some reason McKenna doesn't fancy him, obviously he has more of an eye than I do, and sees him in training on a daily basis, but to my eye, he looks like someone who could handle this league. |
Baggott has never really been tested at a level close to Championship and didn't set the world alight in his lower league loans. He's 23 now, I think he's fast approaching a crossroads. Woolfy's late departure has elevated him a bit and he's got his new contract, but I think his days are numbered and he'll forge his career in the lower leagues before long. | | | |
| Humphreys on 13:41 - Oct 30 with 428 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Humphreys on 13:21 - Oct 30 by MrPotatoHead |
Baggott has never really been tested at a level close to Championship and didn't set the world alight in his lower league loans. He's 23 now, I think he's fast approaching a crossroads. Woolfy's late departure has elevated him a bit and he's got his new contract, but I think his days are numbered and he'll forge his career in the lower leagues before long. |
This.
Fans that say "Baggott always impressed when I've seen him", when have you seen him!?
Lower league loans where he has done ok, but miles off this level.
Needs to leave, for his career. | |
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| Humphreys on 14:30 - Oct 30 with 364 views | Horsham |
| Humphreys on 13:41 - Oct 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
This.
Fans that say "Baggott always impressed when I've seen him", when have you seen him!?
Lower league loans where he has done ok, but miles off this level.
Needs to leave, for his career. |
It’s often overlooked that at least one of Baggott or Humphreys needs to remain in our 25 man squad to satisfy the need for a club developed player. |  | | |
| Humphreys on 14:32 - Oct 30 with 359 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Humphreys on 14:30 - Oct 30 by Horsham |
It’s often overlooked that at least one of Baggott or Humphreys needs to remain in our 25 man squad to satisfy the need for a club developed player. |
That's only if we want 9 subs though isn't it, otherwise it doesn't matter? | |
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| Humphreys on 14:35 - Oct 30 with 354 views | Bluemike31 |
| Humphreys on 13:41 - Oct 30 by Wallingford_Boy |
This.
Fans that say "Baggott always impressed when I've seen him", when have you seen him!?
Lower league loans where he has done ok, but miles off this level.
Needs to leave, for his career. |
I said "the odd time I have seen him" | | | |
| Humphreys on 14:48 - Oct 30 with 339 views | Ralphinho |
| Humphreys on 13:04 - Oct 30 by Axeldalai_lama |
Yeah, those top young talents must look at the way we treated Hutchinson, delap, and now Egeli and think, I'm not going there I might get sold for tens of millions of pounds to a top premier league club.
Why does it matter whether they came through the academy or not? He's clearly not averse to playing young players. Genuinely that encapsulates the phrase 'if they're GOOD enough then they're old enough. The key being the good bit.
Do people forget the level we are playing at? We were in the premier league, we are now aiming to rightly finish in the promotion spots of the championship, we're not bumming around in league one making up the numbers. Youth players can't just have a gimme game or two to show we care, they have to be very good. |
You are right, none of those three came through the academy system. They weren't brought in to play in our academy.
My point is, it doesn't seem like an awful lot of 'Good enough' comes through our academy system, and that will may mean that the 'Good enough' academy level talent may go somewhere else, given the chance and we will continue to buy top 18-21year old players to slot straight into the first team and fringes.
Absolutely not saying we should be taking a punt on youth for the sake of it. | |
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