| Joe Fairs 12:41 - Nov 2 with 3896 views | cressi |
As he said a little while ago and a few of us thought the same a 3 with Nunez gives us far greater control of the ball and game.
Not for injuries I'm not sure McKenna would have tried.
Sir Bobby also stumbled on it in the 1986 world cup Bryan Robson injured Peter Reid came in we got to the semis and looked so much better balanced. |  | | |  |
| Joe Fairs on 12:46 - Nov 2 with 3033 views | FrimleyBlue |
Yet it's not really a massive surpise that a ball playing, creative midfielder would work better in our 10 than a shadow striker who prefers to score goals than spray the ball around.
It shouldnt imo have taken an injury for KM to see that.
Doesn't matter, just hope now we maintain it and don't fall back into the trap of thinking either Sammy S or Akpom would work in the 10 role. |  |
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| Joe Fairs on 13:06 - Nov 2 with 2855 views | Herbivore |
| Joe Fairs on 12:46 - Nov 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Yet it's not really a massive surpise that a ball playing, creative midfielder would work better in our 10 than a shadow striker who prefers to score goals than spray the ball around.
It shouldnt imo have taken an injury for KM to see that.
Doesn't matter, just hope now we maintain it and don't fall back into the trap of thinking either Sammy S or Akpom would work in the 10 role. |
In our two promotion seasons we had Chaplin in the 10 role and he scored 40 plus goals across two seasons. He was nothing like Nunez as a player. It's more that neither Szmodics or Akpom have fully adapted to the role yet. |  |
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| Joe Fairs on 13:07 - Nov 2 with 2851 views | The_Realist_09 |
I think this understates the importance of Taylor coming in for Cajuste.
Cajuste has some elite level qualities but being combative and defending on the transition are not some of those and it was killing us. | | | |
| Joe Fairs on 13:08 - Nov 2 with 2827 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Err. We never got to the Semis in '86.
Out in the quarters, to Argentina, Maradona and his hand. (2-1) |  |
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| Joe Fairs on 13:11 - Nov 2 with 2773 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Joe Fairs on 13:06 - Nov 2 by Herbivore |
In our two promotion seasons we had Chaplin in the 10 role and he scored 40 plus goals across two seasons. He was nothing like Nunez as a player. It's more that neither Szmodics or Akpom have fully adapted to the role yet. |
Nunez is far more like Chaplin than either Szmodics or Akpom in terms of his ability to pick the ball up in pockets and immediately look forward with a pass. A diminutive player with two good feet and great technical ability.
Akpom in particular couldn't be much more different to Chappers he looks like a number 9 to me and would probably be brilliant in a 4 4 2 system. In fact you could say the same for SS who would be a perfect little man to play with Hirst as a target man. I dont think either of them fit the system KM plays remotely. [Post edited 2 Nov 13:13]
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| Joe Fairs on 13:12 - Nov 2 with 2753 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Joe Fairs on 13:06 - Nov 2 by Herbivore |
In our two promotion seasons we had Chaplin in the 10 role and he scored 40 plus goals across two seasons. He was nothing like Nunez as a player. It's more that neither Szmodics or Akpom have fully adapted to the role yet. |
Chappers was creative, wasn't afraid to try first time passes, looked to get the wide man forward quickly and get involved himself, he also at times joined the midfield to then get forward.
Same with Nunez, prime example being our back to front goal yesturday.
Akpom is never gonna be a player who gets the ball in our own half. imo, he's a proper shadow striker, same with sammy s [Post edited 2 Nov 13:13]
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| Joe Fairs on 13:12 - Nov 2 with 2762 views | franz_tyson |
| Joe Fairs on 13:08 - Nov 2 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Err. We never got to the Semis in '86.
Out in the quarters, to Argentina, Maradona and his hand. (2-1) |
Peter Reid is still chasing Diego Maradonas ghost ( very slowly). | | | |
| Joe Fairs on 13:12 - Nov 2 with 2758 views | cressi |
| Joe Fairs on 13:08 - Nov 2 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Err. We never got to the Semis in '86.
Out in the quarters, to Argentina, Maradona and his hand. (2-1) |
My mistake the Argies beat Belgium in the semi's 2-0 | | | |
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| Joe Fairs on 13:14 - Nov 2 with 2732 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Joe Fairs on 13:12 - Nov 2 by franz_tyson |
Peter Reid is still chasing Diego Maradonas ghost ( very slowly). |
Is Steve Hodge still providing an assist? | |
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| Joe Fairs on 13:15 - Nov 2 with 2726 views | cressi |
| Joe Fairs on 13:12 - Nov 2 by franz_tyson |
Peter Reid is still chasing Diego Maradonas ghost ( very slowly). |
Most players would be chasing Maradona a very special player irrespective of the hand ball he carried a average Argentina to become world champions. | | | |
| Joe Fairs on 13:24 - Nov 2 with 2618 views | Herbivore |
| Joe Fairs on 13:12 - Nov 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Chappers was creative, wasn't afraid to try first time passes, looked to get the wide man forward quickly and get involved himself, he also at times joined the midfield to then get forward.
Same with Nunez, prime example being our back to front goal yesturday.
Akpom is never gonna be a player who gets the ball in our own half. imo, he's a proper shadow striker, same with sammy s [Post edited 2 Nov 13:13]
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Chappers was very creative but he was also very much a shadow striker if we want to use Football Manager parlance. Yes he'd drop into midfield at times but he was also in and around the box constantly, hence scoring 40+ goals across two seasons. When we signed Chappers he'd spent most of his career playing as a striker and he wasn't effective in that 10 role for us overnight.
Akpom and Szmodics ironically have both played more games as a 10 prior to joining us than Chappers had, it just hasn't clicked for either of them yet. That said, Akpom's last two appearances as a 10 were promising, he got on the ball a lot more, knitted play together, and got himself into goalscoring positions. I think the thing with Szmodics is that he's probably not that good, he works very hard and is a decent finisher (though less so this season) but he's not brilliant technically. | |
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| Joe Fairs on 13:29 - Nov 2 with 2568 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Joe Fairs on 13:24 - Nov 2 by Herbivore |
Chappers was very creative but he was also very much a shadow striker if we want to use Football Manager parlance. Yes he'd drop into midfield at times but he was also in and around the box constantly, hence scoring 40+ goals across two seasons. When we signed Chappers he'd spent most of his career playing as a striker and he wasn't effective in that 10 role for us overnight.
Akpom and Szmodics ironically have both played more games as a 10 prior to joining us than Chappers had, it just hasn't clicked for either of them yet. That said, Akpom's last two appearances as a 10 were promising, he got on the ball a lot more, knitted play together, and got himself into goalscoring positions. I think the thing with Szmodics is that he's probably not that good, he works very hard and is a decent finisher (though less so this season) but he's not brilliant technically. |
Exactly. The idea that we’d fall into a “trap” of playing SS and CA in their best position again is ridiculous. People are writing them off in the same way that Philogene and Clarke had, before they settled into their roles with us.
Weirdly titled OP too. |  |
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| Joe Fairs on 13:31 - Nov 2 with 2539 views | TractorJack |
It's too early to call this imo. We've played just as well if not better at times this season without Nunez in the 10. |  | | |
| Joe Fairs on 13:51 - Nov 2 with 2368 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Joe Fairs on 13:24 - Nov 2 by Herbivore |
Chappers was very creative but he was also very much a shadow striker if we want to use Football Manager parlance. Yes he'd drop into midfield at times but he was also in and around the box constantly, hence scoring 40+ goals across two seasons. When we signed Chappers he'd spent most of his career playing as a striker and he wasn't effective in that 10 role for us overnight.
Akpom and Szmodics ironically have both played more games as a 10 prior to joining us than Chappers had, it just hasn't clicked for either of them yet. That said, Akpom's last two appearances as a 10 were promising, he got on the ball a lot more, knitted play together, and got himself into goalscoring positions. I think the thing with Szmodics is that he's probably not that good, he works very hard and is a decent finisher (though less so this season) but he's not brilliant technically. |
we'll see I guess
But a rotated pair of hirst and akpom uptop seems more appropriate than a sammy s or akpom 10 rotation imo. (our 10) which imo is a different 10 to many other clubs) [Post edited 2 Nov 13:59]
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| Joe Fairs on 14:28 - Nov 2 with 2221 views | J2BLUE |
| Joe Fairs on 12:46 - Nov 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Yet it's not really a massive surpise that a ball playing, creative midfielder would work better in our 10 than a shadow striker who prefers to score goals than spray the ball around.
It shouldnt imo have taken an injury for KM to see that.
Doesn't matter, just hope now we maintain it and don't fall back into the trap of thinking either Sammy S or Akpom would work in the 10 role. |
I did think at the time Nunez was a slightly odd signing for the positions our CMs play but it was just too delicious to steal him from that lot to worry about it.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a bit of a shuffle in Jan. Morsy or a CM in. Nunez as a 10. Akpom maybe ending his loan early? Not writing him off, I think he's a good player who we're lucky to have and he will come good but there's also Chaplin to potentially come back. |  |
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| Joe Fairs on 14:34 - Nov 2 with 2146 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Joe Fairs on 14:28 - Nov 2 by J2BLUE |
I did think at the time Nunez was a slightly odd signing for the positions our CMs play but it was just too delicious to steal him from that lot to worry about it.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a bit of a shuffle in Jan. Morsy or a CM in. Nunez as a 10. Akpom maybe ending his loan early? Not writing him off, I think he's a good player who we're lucky to have and he will come good but there's also Chaplin to potentially come back. |
I think if all those 4 things happen which you suggested, we'll be in an infinitely stronger position going into the 2nd half of the season and maybe be able to go on a long winning run. We're not too far off as it is but there are a few summer mistakes still needing rectifying | | | |
| Joe Fairs on 14:36 - Nov 2 with 2113 views | waveneyblue |
| Joe Fairs on 12:46 - Nov 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Yet it's not really a massive surpise that a ball playing, creative midfielder would work better in our 10 than a shadow striker who prefers to score goals than spray the ball around.
It shouldnt imo have taken an injury for KM to see that.
Doesn't matter, just hope now we maintain it and don't fall back into the trap of thinking either Sammy S or Akpom would work in the 10 role. |
Interestingly reading Stuart Watsons musings, taking away the excellent free kicks, Nunez wasnt particularly outstanding in that role.
But it gives a nice opportunity to have a dig at McKenna, so all's good.
Just a pity Frimmers cant read my response. |  | | |
| Joe Fairs on 14:38 - Nov 2 with 2086 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Joe Fairs on 13:08 - Nov 2 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Err. We never got to the Semis in '86.
Out in the quarters, to Argentina, Maradona and his hand. (2-1) |
We would have done had we played Robson instead of Peter Reid! |  |
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| Joe Fairs on 14:42 - Nov 2 with 2037 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Why do I read this like Joe Fairs is now our assistant coach or something. |  |
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| Joe Fairs on 14:42 - Nov 2 with 2038 views | vilanovablue |
Nunez is also good at initiating the press which is crucial |  | | |
| Joe Fairs on 14:51 - Nov 2 with 1974 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Joe Fairs on 14:38 - Nov 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
We would have done had we played Robson instead of Peter Reid! |
Wasn't it that WC that we lost Robson to another shoulder injury and then Ray Wilkins got himself sent off for throwing the ball at the Ref in the same game?
Vs Morocco IIRC? | |
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| Joe Fairs on 14:58 - Nov 2 with 1897 views | blueoutlook |
| Joe Fairs on 13:06 - Nov 2 by Herbivore |
In our two promotion seasons we had Chaplin in the 10 role and he scored 40 plus goals across two seasons. He was nothing like Nunez as a player. It's more that neither Szmodics or Akpom have fully adapted to the role yet. |
Akpom and Sammy are number 9s who like to play alongside someone they have never been number 10s the way we play anyway. Square pegs in round holes. Neither work and won’t in that position it’s simply not how they play. |  | | |
| Joe Fairs on 15:05 - Nov 2 with 1860 views | BloomBlue |
1986 was qtr final.
The Robson hating England fans (and there were many) complained Robson had his favourites and it didn't matter how cr@p they played Robson always selected them. Too scared to drop them was the complaint and/or 'they must know something about Robson's private life'.
Byran Robson and Ray Wilkins were under the most pressure. Both had been through a difficult time in terms of performances. Many fans wanted both out.
First game against Portugal, England were cr@p. The Robson haters, highlighted AGAIN.. too scared to drop his favs, Robson and Wilkins.
Next game against Morocco, no better but Wilkins was sent off and Robson injured. Both didn't play the next game against Poland, and England had a great performance. The Robson haters loved it, the old told you so. 'Finally Robson is forced to drop both, as every fan has been saying for months'. |  | | |
| Joe Fairs on 15:06 - Nov 2 with 1852 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Joe Fairs on 14:51 - Nov 2 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Wasn't it that WC that we lost Robson to another shoulder injury and then Ray Wilkins got himself sent off for throwing the ball at the Ref in the same game?
Vs Morocco IIRC? |
I have no memory for these sort of things. My response was very much in the context of the OP. | |
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| Joe Fairs on 15:11 - Nov 2 with 1814 views | GavTWTD |
| Joe Fairs on 13:07 - Nov 2 by The_Realist_09 |
I think this understates the importance of Taylor coming in for Cajuste.
Cajuste has some elite level qualities but being combative and defending on the transition are not some of those and it was killing us. |
So are you suggesting Cajuste would also suit the 10 role? He's one of my favourite players but totally accept why he's being left out at the moment. |  |
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