| No smoke without fire: on 21:46 - Nov 11 with 3588 views | GlasgowBlue |
It's Wes Streeting. Burnham isn't an MP. |  |
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| They should give it to..... on 21:49 - Nov 11 with 3559 views | Bloots |
| No smoke without fire: on 21:46 - Nov 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It's Wes Streeting. Burnham isn't an MP. |
....Abbott till the end of the season. |  |
| "I saw him at the match last week, what a legend. I was slightly overcome to be honest” - TWTD User (Nov 2025) |
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| No smoke without fire: on 21:50 - Nov 11 with 3544 views | DarkBrandon |
| No smoke without fire: on 21:46 - Nov 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It's Wes Streeting. Burnham isn't an MP. |
They are clearly panicking. I hope with good reason. Starmer has proved to be completely unsuited to the role of PM.
I’m not sure Streeting would be any better … it is a hard job, and it is best to learn the ropes of leadership in opposition (Cameron benefitted from this. Blair too, but times were easier then) but I’d love to see him get a chance.
Highly doubtful the membership would have him though. |  | | |
| No smoke without fire: on 21:57 - Nov 11 with 3490 views | Guthrum |
| No smoke without fire: on 21:46 - Nov 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It's Wes Streeting. Burnham isn't an MP. |
Yet.
Technically, he wouldn't need to be in order to become leader of the party. Which isn't necessarily the same person as the Prime Minister.
For that matter there is nothing to stop there being a PM outside the Commons. Altho it would be operationally difficult and hasn't been done since 1902* (barring a very brief period at the beginning of Douglas-Home's premiership in 1963) and in that case Lord Salisbury had Arthur Balfour running the HoC for him.
* And even then, Salisbury was in the Lords, a much more powerful body at that time, before the 1911 reforms. |  |
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| No smoke without fire: on 22:00 - Nov 11 with 3451 views | GlasgowBlue |
| No smoke without fire: on 21:57 - Nov 11 by Guthrum |
Yet.
Technically, he wouldn't need to be in order to become leader of the party. Which isn't necessarily the same person as the Prime Minister.
For that matter there is nothing to stop there being a PM outside the Commons. Altho it would be operationally difficult and hasn't been done since 1902* (barring a very brief period at the beginning of Douglas-Home's premiership in 1963) and in that case Lord Salisbury had Arthur Balfour running the HoC for him.
* And even then, Salisbury was in the Lords, a much more powerful body at that time, before the 1911 reforms. |
He would. Under the current rules of the UK Labour Party, a person wishing to stand for the leadership must be a sitting Member of Parliament.
And before they get to the members vote they must receive nominations from at least 20% of fellow Labour MPs to get onto the ballot paper. | |
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| No smoke without fire: on 22:04 - Nov 11 with 3422 views | Guthrum |
| No smoke without fire: on 22:00 - Nov 11 by GlasgowBlue |
He would. Under the current rules of the UK Labour Party, a person wishing to stand for the leadership must be a sitting Member of Parliament.
And before they get to the members vote they must receive nominations from at least 20% of fellow Labour MPs to get onto the ballot paper. |
Ah right. That's a party rule rather than a constitutional issue.
In practical terms, it would be very difficult to have a PM outside the Commons in the modern era. Wouldn't go down well with the public or press, either - be seen as unaccoutable, even undemocratic. [Post edited 11 Nov 22:04]
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| No smoke without fire: on 22:09 - Nov 11 with 3390 views | GlasgowBlue |
| No smoke without fire: on 21:50 - Nov 11 by DarkBrandon |
They are clearly panicking. I hope with good reason. Starmer has proved to be completely unsuited to the role of PM.
I’m not sure Streeting would be any better … it is a hard job, and it is best to learn the ropes of leadership in opposition (Cameron benefitted from this. Blair too, but times were easier then) but I’d love to see him get a chance.
Highly doubtful the membership would have him though. |
This feels like the failed coup against Gordon Brown by David Miliband. James Purnell resigned in advance but Miliband backed down. The Starmer camp obviously trying to keep Streeting in line. | |
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| No smoke without fire: on 22:13 - Nov 11 with 3355 views | LutherBlissett |
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| They should give it to..... on 22:17 - Nov 11 with 3334 views | Trequartista |
| They should give it to..... on 21:49 - Nov 11 by Bloots |
....Abbott till the end of the season. |
Diane or Russ? |  |
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| No smoke without fire: on 22:22 - Nov 11 with 3293 views | DarkBrandon |
| No smoke without fire: on 22:09 - Nov 11 by GlasgowBlue |
This feels like the failed coup against Gordon Brown by David Miliband. James Purnell resigned in advance but Miliband backed down. The Starmer camp obviously trying to keep Streeting in line. |
I dunno.
I don’t see Streeting moving against Starmer. It would be suicide if he did.
Now is his time though. Rayner is recovering, Burnham isn’t an MP. Even the catastrophic polls might help him. If Labour were doing better then you could see someone who the made the membership more comfortable getting it. Miliband, say.
I’m sure there are conversations though.
Starmer almost resigned after Hartlepool. He might well resign if reform sweep the board next May | | | |
| Either, same result. (n/t) on 22:24 - Nov 11 with 3285 views | Bloots |
| They should give it to..... on 22:17 - Nov 11 by Trequartista |
Diane or Russ? |
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| "I saw him at the match last week, what a legend. I was slightly overcome to be honest” - TWTD User (Nov 2025) |
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| No smoke without fire: on 22:34 - Nov 11 with 3223 views | Zx1988 |
| No smoke without fire: on 21:46 - Nov 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It's Wes Streeting. Burnham isn't an MP. |
I bloody hope not. I can't see him being anything other than Starmer Mk2, but with added interference from the healthcare lobby. | |
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| No smoke without fire: on 22:40 - Nov 11 with 3191 views | Herbivore |
One year Keir. |  |
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| No smoke without fire: on 22:51 - Nov 11 with 3143 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Barry Gardner just nailed it. Streeting is no choice at all! |  |
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| No smoke without fire: on 22:51 - Nov 11 with 3147 views | lowhouseblue |
| No smoke without fire: on 21:46 - Nov 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It's Wes Streeting. Burnham isn't an MP. |
i don't believe the streeting stuff. sadly the people around starmer, for all their qualities, have zero political instincts, especially when it comes to the parliamentary party. politically inept flatters them. |  |
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| Either, same result. (n/t) on 23:32 - Nov 11 with 3026 views | BlueBadger |
| Either, same result. (n/t) on 22:24 - Nov 11 by Bloots |
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Russ would guarantee a happy atmosphere. |  |
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| No smoke without fire: on 01:17 - Nov 12 with 2882 views | Ryorry |
Where the tory party seemed able to survive their years of sh1ttery by roping themselves together & holding their noses, Labour seem to be doing the opposite by actively sowing division amongst themselves.
The recent deputy leadership election & outcome looked like a windsock of what might happen. Am no fan of Starmer the PM, but find it pretty depressing, and shocked it's happening so soon.
Can't remember who, maybe Peston on ITV, suggested that it's not even a genuine rumour, just a disgruntled Labour figure sowing a cloud with seed to generate the rainfall they want (my analogy not his). |  |
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| No smoke without fire: on 07:26 - Nov 12 with 2495 views | DJR |
| No smoke without fire: on 22:51 - Nov 11 by lowhouseblue |
i don't believe the streeting stuff. sadly the people around starmer, for all their qualities, have zero political instincts, especially when it comes to the parliamentary party. politically inept flatters them. |
Morgan McSweeney isn't the messiah. He's just a very naughty boy.
#BringBackSueGray [Post edited 12 Nov 7:31]
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| No smoke without fire: on 07:51 - Nov 12 with 2369 views | DJR |
| No smoke without fire: on 07:40 - Nov 12 by giant_stow |
Whats everyone got against Streeting, out of interest? Not standing up for him - just having been paying attentíon... |
I come from it as a former member of the Labour Party, and it's political for me: and I'm not a Corbynista.
In addition, he will not change the direction of travel of the Labour Party because he is signed up to the project which has led us to where we are.
And in my view, from a presentational point of view, he has the same slightly robotic manner that both Stamer and Reeves have.
As it is, my suspicion of Streeting started when as president of the National Union of Students, he supported tuition fees.
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| No smoke without fire: on 07:55 - Nov 12 with 2358 views | GlasgowBlue |
| No smoke without fire: on 07:40 - Nov 12 by giant_stow |
Whats everyone got against Streeting, out of interest? Not standing up for him - just having been paying attentíon... |
Because they think he’s a class traitor. He’s somebody who grew up in abject poverty and now in a position of power. But he is using his lived experiences to think outside traditional leftist dogma to put in practical measures he believes will help the poor above a socialist utopia and ideology that many on the far left can afford to experiment with. The irony of those wanting “comrade Andy” is that Burnham’s actually the only heath secretary to privatise an NHS hospital.
The working class have always been a great disappointment to the metropolitan lefty luvies. [Post edited 12 Nov 7:58]
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| No smoke without fire: on 08:11 - Nov 12 with 2304 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| No smoke without fire: on 07:40 - Nov 12 by giant_stow |
Whats everyone got against Streeting, out of interest? Not standing up for him - just having been paying attentíon... |
Glasgow Blue would vote for him. | |
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| No smoke without fire: on 08:11 - Nov 12 with 2303 views | LutherBlissett |
| No smoke without fire: on 07:40 - Nov 12 by giant_stow |
Whats everyone got against Streeting, out of interest? Not standing up for him - just having been paying attentíon... |
He's in the pocket of private healthcare firms. That and he's a dickhead. [Post edited 12 Nov 8:12]
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| No smoke without fire: on 08:14 - Nov 12 with 2280 views | Herbivore |
| No smoke without fire: on 07:40 - Nov 12 by giant_stow |
Whats everyone got against Streeting, out of interest? Not standing up for him - just having been paying attentíon... |
He's a Tory with a red rosette. Also an absolute rizz vacuum, just like Starmer. If Labour are going to get another term they need some vision and someone who connects with the public, they need to sell a positive message about what Labour can do for working people. Streeting isn't that guy. [Post edited 12 Nov 8:17]
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