| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? 13:25 - Nov 26 with 2481 views | MrPotatoHead |
3p per mile seems a lot. I do 20k annually in mine, I'll be on the hook for £600! |  | | |  |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 15:16 - Nov 26 with 619 views | mellowblue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 15:03 - Nov 26 by NedPlimpton |
Got something to hide? |
As for driving. Guilty, my points total and frequent speed awareness courses testify to it.
Really shouldn't wear my deep sea diving boots when driving.
As for whereabouts. Not Guilty, being a fine upstanding citizen... sort of. |  | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 15:17 - Nov 26 with 618 views | Kievthegreat |
Seems they are using weight as the metric to calculate the tax, but as a stand-in for physical size. Seems they will have 2400kg for EVs and 2000kg for ICE as the threshold. If they were looking to tax purely on weight, the different ICE vs EV values wouldn't make sense.
Makes sense if it's to avoid determining what is the size of a car - is it footprint only, does it take into account height? A van and an SUV with the same height, width and length would have different volumes because of shape? It's not as simple as it seems. Meanwhile "fully laden weight" will be certified by the manufacturer and is a single number to reference with the VCA. |  | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 15:28 - Nov 26 with 575 views | Mookamoo |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 14:40 - Nov 26 by mellowblue |
EVs account for approx 5% of vehicles on the road. A nice sample size to trial money per mile motoring. Once proven to work, isn't logical to assume it will be extended to all vehicles and then do away with the traditional road tax? Maybe not fair on rural drivers with their higher commutes and school runs etc. Seems a good deal of effort for currently such a small sector. |
Isn't that the point? - there is no such thing as Road Tax, so there has to be a change to account for EVs.
Can certainly see they whole system changing to a price per mile, based on the engine/motor technology and subsequent environmental impact and then adding in the car size and weight. |  | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 16:03 - Nov 26 with 521 views | Radlett_blue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 13:43 - Nov 26 by soupytwist |
I've no idea how HMRC will know how many miles you've driven in any given time period.
However, the reason for the per mile charge for EVs is that EV drivers don't pay the admittedly crude per mile charge that already exists in the form of fuel duty. The more miles you drive, the more fuel duty you pay, with other factors at play too. And as more people drive EVs the reduction in fuel duty revenue will become problematic for government coffers very quickly.
So, you drive 20,000 miles per year - that's 32187 km. If you had a petrol or diesel powered car that did 40mpg (7 litres per 100 km) average you'd need to buy 2,253 litres of fuel to cover that distance.
UK fuel duty is currently 52.95p per litre. So 2,253 x £0.5295 is £1,193.01. So £600 isn't a bad deal.
Assuming you charge a fair bit at home, you're still quids in given the cost of domestic electricity, which is also subject to a lower rate of VAT than petrol/diesel (5% compared to the normal 20%).
Caveat - I'm rubbish at maths but I think this stacks up. [Post edited 26 Nov 13:47]
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What you say is true, but another example of the typically muddled government policy making. First they promote electric cars as part of a "green" policy, then they realise this will cost money so they claw the money back from the unfortunate souls who bought electric cars.
Same as when they tried to convince us that modern diesels were "green" (this never convinced me), we were encouraged to buy them and now they're being priced out of existence. |  |
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| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 16:11 - Nov 26 with 504 views | mellowblue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 15:28 - Nov 26 by Mookamoo |
Isn't that the point? - there is no such thing as Road Tax, so there has to be a change to account for EVs.
Can certainly see they whole system changing to a price per mile, based on the engine/motor technology and subsequent environmental impact and then adding in the car size and weight. |
Vehicle tax, Road tax is the old term still used by oldsters (changed as the money never went to roads anyway.) Car size assessment is unfair if it puts bigger families at a disadvantage. But would not surprise me. Any excuse to raise more money. Clearly having a green agenda is no barrier to raising extra tax now. | | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 16:45 - Nov 26 with 471 views | soupytwist |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 16:03 - Nov 26 by Radlett_blue |
What you say is true, but another example of the typically muddled government policy making. First they promote electric cars as part of a "green" policy, then they realise this will cost money so they claw the money back from the unfortunate souls who bought electric cars.
Same as when they tried to convince us that modern diesels were "green" (this never convinced me), we were encouraged to buy them and now they're being priced out of existence. |
Well, the current government hasn't done much of the encouraging of people to buy EVs via financial incentives. I expect that the last government knew that pushing people to EVs would create a hole in the revenue from fuel duty, especially as they refused to increase fuel duty itself. They chose to kick that can down the road and here we are.
EV owners have had a decent deal on 'fuel' so far if able to charge at home and now they're starting to be brought back into the mainstream. Just wait until they find a way of increasing the VAT rate on domestic electricity used to charge cars to 20%. |  | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 16:58 - Nov 26 with 442 views | Kievthegreat |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 16:45 - Nov 26 by soupytwist |
Well, the current government hasn't done much of the encouraging of people to buy EVs via financial incentives. I expect that the last government knew that pushing people to EVs would create a hole in the revenue from fuel duty, especially as they refused to increase fuel duty itself. They chose to kick that can down the road and here we are.
EV owners have had a decent deal on 'fuel' so far if able to charge at home and now they're starting to be brought back into the mainstream. Just wait until they find a way of increasing the VAT rate on domestic electricity used to charge cars to 20%. |
They may get a "decent deal on fuel", but that's always been weighted against the net effects like reduced pollution, reduced emissions, etc... that EVs have over ICE vehicles and to incentivise those choices.
There's an argument for EVs contributing more over time as the need for financial incentives diminish and they become the mainstream. However it shouldn't be at the expense of making fossil fuels more affordable. | | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 17:15 - Nov 26 with 408 views | soupytwist |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 16:58 - Nov 26 by Kievthegreat |
They may get a "decent deal on fuel", but that's always been weighted against the net effects like reduced pollution, reduced emissions, etc... that EVs have over ICE vehicles and to incentivise those choices.
There's an argument for EVs contributing more over time as the need for financial incentives diminish and they become the mainstream. However it shouldn't be at the expense of making fossil fuels more affordable. |
The decent deal on fuel is purely to do with the fact that, when charging at home (important distinction compared to using public chargers), putting enough into your car to cover any given distance is cheaper using domestic electricity than it would be using a pump at a petrol station.
As far as I know, it's nothing to do with any government incentives. Using a public charger in certain circumstances can still be cheap enough to be saving over conventional fuel, but again nothing to do with government incentives to offset reduced emissions etc. | | | |
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| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 17:19 - Nov 26 with 401 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 16:45 - Nov 26 by soupytwist |
Well, the current government hasn't done much of the encouraging of people to buy EVs via financial incentives. I expect that the last government knew that pushing people to EVs would create a hole in the revenue from fuel duty, especially as they refused to increase fuel duty itself. They chose to kick that can down the road and here we are.
EV owners have had a decent deal on 'fuel' so far if able to charge at home and now they're starting to be brought back into the mainstream. Just wait until they find a way of increasing the VAT rate on domestic electricity used to charge cars to 20%. |
Fuel duty has only been kicked down the road as far as September, not sure if that is until 1st or 30th.
By March 2027 fuel duty goes up 5p a litre, 6p a litre really because VAT is added after fuel duty.
That is going to increase transport costs and give inflation a boost. |  |
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| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 17:55 - Nov 26 with 367 views | BloomBlue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 14:41 - Nov 26 by andytown |
Mentioned on the radio that it would be payable when VED is renewed annually.
No idea how they’d get the mileage though. Make it compulsory for EV drivers to have one of those black box things that insurance companies use for pay per mile insurance? |
The plan is you will tell them how many miles you will drive in that year. From what I can see it will be down to 'trust'.
But in the future it will be ultimately for all cars, the technology is there now to track mileage automatically from the cars data. It was always going to happen. People want the ability to communicate to their car from the smart app on their phone, the gov will use the same tech to track precisely the number of miles you do.
However during the initial 'trust' phase i will refuse to include the many miles of driving I do in France. |  | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 18:12 - Nov 26 with 345 views | OldFart71 |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 13:54 - Nov 26 by baxterbasics |
At least my EV will be paid off by the time this kicks in so I can switch back to a dirty diesel.
£650 extra per year just so I can get to work and back.
Am curious about how they intend to track and enforce it though. |
I would imagine that it may be done via an MOT certificate and the owner of that vehicle. Should an error occur where a person claims they have covered less miles than they actual have when the vehicle comes up to it's three year anniversary and is therefore required to have an MOT should the mileage be considerably less than the owner has recorded they would get a bill for the difference.
In the meantime should the vehicle be sold before it's third anniversary if sold privately the new owner would need to record the mileage so as to not be charged for the previous owners mileage and if sold via a garage, the garage would obviously sell that vehicle with the recorded mileage.Again if the mileage was more than recorded through the mileage charge then this cost would have to be paid by the previous owner.
Problems may arise as the mileage via MOT's and the charges infrastructure would have to be linked and who pays for the mileage done when a garage allows a person wanting to test the vehicle they may wish to purchase ? | | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 18:20 - Nov 26 with 332 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 18:12 - Nov 26 by OldFart71 |
I would imagine that it may be done via an MOT certificate and the owner of that vehicle. Should an error occur where a person claims they have covered less miles than they actual have when the vehicle comes up to it's three year anniversary and is therefore required to have an MOT should the mileage be considerably less than the owner has recorded they would get a bill for the difference.
In the meantime should the vehicle be sold before it's third anniversary if sold privately the new owner would need to record the mileage so as to not be charged for the previous owners mileage and if sold via a garage, the garage would obviously sell that vehicle with the recorded mileage.Again if the mileage was more than recorded through the mileage charge then this cost would have to be paid by the previous owner.
Problems may arise as the mileage via MOT's and the charges infrastructure would have to be linked and who pays for the mileage done when a garage allows a person wanting to test the vehicle they may wish to purchase ? |
Not sure how you develop an efficient, but economical way of calculating and collecting a mileage tax.
The fact that they are talking of a start date in 2028 suggests Reeves doesn’t know the answer eithe. | |
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| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 20:07 - Nov 26 with 284 views | mellowblue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 17:19 - Nov 26 by Pinewoodblue |
Fuel duty has only been kicked down the road as far as September, not sure if that is until 1st or 30th.
By March 2027 fuel duty goes up 5p a litre, 6p a litre really because VAT is added after fuel duty.
That is going to increase transport costs and give inflation a boost. |
good to know that we pay tax on our tax, makes me feel like a model citizen. | | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 20:14 - Nov 26 with 271 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 14:59 - Nov 26 by mellowblue |
Once fully rolled out if it ever is (I speculated earlier) it seems like a ploy to let big brother keep an eye on our whereabouts and our driving. |
The easiest way to charge it would be to make the MOT compulsory to declare mileage (not sure if it is already) and use that. I would guess there could be some way you can claim back for mileage abroad if you can prove that's where it was. |  |
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| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 20:15 - Nov 26 with 270 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 15:28 - Nov 26 by Mookamoo |
Isn't that the point? - there is no such thing as Road Tax, so there has to be a change to account for EVs.
Can certainly see they whole system changing to a price per mile, based on the engine/motor technology and subsequent environmental impact and then adding in the car size and weight. |
It was obviously coming in at some point. The govt expect to raise £24.5M in fuel duty this year. They were never going to give all that up without finding a way to replace it from EV vehicles. Timing is the issue as this could set back uptake (if that’s what they still want; I’ve lost track). |  |
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| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 20:50 - Nov 26 with 225 views | BloomBlue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 20:14 - Nov 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The easiest way to charge it would be to make the MOT compulsory to declare mileage (not sure if it is already) and use that. I would guess there could be some way you can claim back for mileage abroad if you can prove that's where it was. |
What about new cars that dont require an MOT for 3 years?
They will ultimately use the technology in all new cars to track your mileage. Governments will argue for a few years they won't, but it's coming 100%. | | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 20:51 - Nov 26 with 221 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 20:50 - Nov 26 by BloomBlue |
What about new cars that dont require an MOT for 3 years?
They will ultimately use the technology in all new cars to track your mileage. Governments will argue for a few years they won't, but it's coming 100%. |
A fair point, I hadn't thought of that with new cars.
I suppose new car owners could declare a mileage which then leads to a higher charge after the first MOT if it has been under-declared. [Post edited 26 Nov 20:52]
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| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 21:39 - Nov 26 with 181 views | stonojnr |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 14:41 - Nov 26 by andytown |
Mentioned on the radio that it would be payable when VED is renewed annually.
No idea how they’d get the mileage though. Make it compulsory for EV drivers to have one of those black box things that insurance companies use for pay per mile insurance? |
these vehicles still require MOTs do they not, you still estimate mileage for insurance do you not...but fear not it will be entirely self reported miles. | | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 22:29 - Nov 26 with 156 views | mellowblue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 21:39 - Nov 26 by stonojnr |
these vehicles still require MOTs do they not, you still estimate mileage for insurance do you not...but fear not it will be entirely self reported miles. |
A lot of drivers on leases change cars before they even get to MOT age. Got to be 3 years old before eligible for MOT test | | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? (n/t) on 01:57 - Nov 27 with 106 views | Ryorry |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 14:41 - Nov 26 by andytown |
Mentioned on the radio that it would be payable when VED is renewed annually.
No idea how they’d get the mileage though. Make it compulsory for EV drivers to have one of those black box things that insurance companies use for pay per mile insurance? |
Deleted late-night brain fart. [Post edited 27 Nov 2:49]
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| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 02:40 - Nov 27 with 94 views | Ryorry |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 20:14 - Nov 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The easiest way to charge it would be to make the MOT compulsory to declare mileage (not sure if it is already) and use that. I would guess there could be some way you can claim back for mileage abroad if you can prove that's where it was. |
Yes the MOT records mileage, which is electronically automatically conveyed to the DVLA. Could also be done via the registration document including recorded mileage for vehicles that change hands.
That does seem quite clunky though, particularly given the DVLA are permanently inefficient & backlogged as it is; and the first 3 MOT-less years would obvs be problematic.
Given that insurance premiums are now usually linked to mileage, and I had to state exactly what was on the clock of my new 2nd hand Skoda before cover commenced, guess that might be the most likely way. I doubt many would cheat for fear of invalidating their insurance in the event of an accident & assessor’s inspection.
Or perhaps there’s a way of future cars’ VINs being linked to that individual clock so that time-stamped photos could be taken as verification. [Post edited 27 Nov 2:51]
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| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 07:39 - Nov 27 with 44 views | naa |
Those bemoaning how this is unfair or some such and makes EVs a waste of time or something seems to be forgetting that charging at home is about 10x cheaper than petrol. EVs are a bit more expensive than a petrol car new, but second hand they quickly become affordable.
This tax is around half the duty per mile on petrol so EVs are still very cheap to run. | | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 08:06 - Nov 27 with 17 views | BloomBlue |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 07:39 - Nov 27 by naa |
Those bemoaning how this is unfair or some such and makes EVs a waste of time or something seems to be forgetting that charging at home is about 10x cheaper than petrol. EVs are a bit more expensive than a petrol car new, but second hand they quickly become affordable.
This tax is around half the duty per mile on petrol so EVs are still very cheap to run. |
But the point is the government are forcing people to move to EVs, because of some 'green' ideas.
EVs are more expensive to drive and insure. Plus in a lot of situations more expensive to charge at public charges than petrol.
Yes you are correct if you can charge at home then it is cheaper. But don't they say something like 60% of the UK population can never charge at home, ie don't have drives, live in flats etc.
The reason why new EV sales were slowing down was because of those people without the ability to charge at home.
So to get those sales moving the Gov reintroduced the EV grant. Now the government have basically said.. hey we going to give you a grant in one hand, but in the other take it all back by charging you per mile, plus increasing road tax.
Basically why would anyone move to an EV car?
We're told there is global warming and we need to reduce fossils fuel usage or it isnt actually happening.
People said Trump had gone loco when he said global warming was the biggest con and cut all EV grants in the US, Reeves has fundamentally done the same by giving the grant and wiping it out with other increases.
However yesterday's announcement was actually more about the future of motoring, they know they can track you in modern cars. People want the ability to operate their cars from their phones.. 'oh let's preheat it  '. They will eventually use that same technology to track your mileage in all cars. | | | |
| Anyone know how the mileage road tax charge will work on EV's? on 08:08 - Nov 27 with 17 views | DJR |
With a decline in the number of petrol cars, something has to be done to make up for the loss of fuel duty, so this is an opportunity to put in place, and test, a system when there are a relatively limited number of EV/plug-in-hybrid cars.
The advantage with fuel duty is that it is pay-as-you-go, so I assume they will have to put in place a weekly or monthly payment on account option to prevent someone having to find the whole year's amount in one go.
The sale or return of a car will also have to be built into the equation. [Post edited 27 Nov 8:10]
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