| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich 17:50 - Dec 13 with 8250 views | Mullet |
I hate southern away days at the best of times, but that was honking yet again. No shape, leaders, guts, threat etc you name it and it was lacking today.
If we can make it to Wembley this season we will have to take it, Leicester fans came away feeling the same thing which says it all.
How Taylor gets so many minutes is beyond me, but when Matusiwa is having an off day, you’re always going to struggle. Freak goals apiece and we still lose by two, because with or without subs we have little cohesion, partnerships or fight.
Kipre came over on his own to clap the dwindling away end at the finish, then the manager who looked like he was as lost as whatever the gameplan was today. Can’t blame Leicester for taking their chances, but you can blame us for making very little.
This was the perfect opportunity to stabilise, even push for a win, instead we collapse again. Whatever is going on behind the scenes, we keep fluffing our lines. |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 13:50 - Dec 14 with 654 views | ITFCSG |
P.S. Herbivore loves his downvotes but his ability to craft a cognisant and logical rebuttal is on par with McK’s ability this season to turn the game around once we concede |  | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 14:04 - Dec 14 with 628 views | Herbivore |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 13:50 - Dec 14 by ITFCSG |
P.S. Herbivore loves his downvotes but his ability to craft a cognisant and logical rebuttal is on par with McK’s ability this season to turn the game around once we concede |
I think you mean cogent rather than cognisant. I've posted my thoughts on yesterday and our current predicament in many threads, you can find my posts easily enough if you'd like to see my thoughts. I don't love a down arrow, but they can be convenient for quickly expressing disagreement when you judge that a response isn't worth the time. |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 14:14 - Dec 14 with 597 views | BlueOura |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 13:04 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No. You said I'm saying everything's rosy when I have said no such thing. That's a straw man.
Equating all those quotes of yours I listed to simply "Being disappointed and unhappy" is another straw man. I have no problem with people simply being disappointed and unhappy. I am too. But you are displaying something way more.
You may have looked up the definition but you don't seem to have understood it. You are making up what I've said - I have literally quoted what you've said.
You saying what you see doesn't upset me, I've merely stated it's losing your sh!t - and I've quoted the evidence. If saying you want the manager out and praising Norwich isn't losing your sh!t I don't know what is.
And again, you've added another straw man - "please feel free to put... why you are not unhappy with the current state of play." STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I've not said I'm not unhappy. I've stated there are things that can be improved, I'm just not calling for the manager's head or praising Norwich in the process (i.e. losing my sh!t). |
Ok, we can play this game all day long if you like.
I never once accused you directly of saying 'everything is rosy' so you are wrong on that for starters.
I didn't even mention you - I quote- "I'm not losing my sh!t about it, but i'm also not going to delude myself that everything is rosy in the garden when it clearly isn't"
You have also now claimed that I want the manager out, also wrong. What I actually said was that he is on borrowed time, not that I want him sacked immediately.
As for Norwich, I gave an an objective view of their performance, I don't like them one bit but I have no issue with acknowledging when they have played well or displayed certain qualities that were clearing lacking in our performance as a comparison. I get that the mere mention of Norwich is a trigger for some, but watching the games back to back it was an easy reference point. I could have drawn comparison with any number of other teams I have watched recently but that one was fresh in my mind.
You jumped in off the back of my post claiming it was "reactionary nonsense" and later
that I was "losing my shit" That is your opinion but no amount of re-posting what I have said can prove it as a fact. Other posters have disagreed with your interpretation.
I notice you didn't accuse the OP of 'losing his sh!t' or 'reactionary' nonsense' even though he was saying similar things to me, questioning the manager and some sections of the fanbase. I wonder why? Only you can answer that.
You say that you are also unhappy with the current state of play so it appears we are at least partly in agreement, it just seems to be my choice of words that you have found to take issue with. Picking an argument and accusing someone of 'reactionary nonsense' with whom you fundamentally agree seems a rather strange way to spend one's time, but each to their own.... |  | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 16:42 - Dec 14 with 522 views | OldFart71 |
My neighbour an ST holder doesn't want us promoted this season and I thoroughly agree with him. We are no nearer being good enough than we were last season and would, unless we spent a kings ransom be back down again. We are too lightweight in far too many areas.
We have one forward on six goals and the rest, Egeli, Akpom,McAteer and Szmodics have about the same between them.
We have decent keepers, but not top class and a midfield with possibly only Matisuwa who is consistent and can play 90 minutes.
If you think that's good enough for the Premier League then good luck to you. I think we are at least six players short of being able to compete at Premier League level and even then we would need to bring in loan players and get rid of another handful of players. | | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 17:32 - Dec 14 with 478 views | Herbivore |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 16:42 - Dec 14 by OldFart71 |
My neighbour an ST holder doesn't want us promoted this season and I thoroughly agree with him. We are no nearer being good enough than we were last season and would, unless we spent a kings ransom be back down again. We are too lightweight in far too many areas.
We have one forward on six goals and the rest, Egeli, Akpom,McAteer and Szmodics have about the same between them.
We have decent keepers, but not top class and a midfield with possibly only Matisuwa who is consistent and can play 90 minutes.
If you think that's good enough for the Premier League then good luck to you. I think we are at least six players short of being able to compete at Premier League level and even then we would need to bring in loan players and get rid of another handful of players. |
Who has said the current squad would be good enough for the Prem? Of course we'd need to make several signings if we go up, I don't think anyone would disagree with that. | |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 18:52 - Dec 14 with 408 views | cbower |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:14 - Dec 14 by PhilTWTD |
I think that's probably true there or thereabouts of most matches in the Championship, certainly those involving a fancied side and a less fancied side. The first goal is so important, which is why it's frustrating we've given away soft ones like the first against Oxford too many times.
This isn't a new thing, was the case when George was manager in this division and the likes of Tranmere used to put everyone behind the ball against us every week. Get one goal and we'd win comfortably, concede one and it was going to be a long afternoon. Same in League One against Cheltenham etc. We got better at dealing with those situations after the January transfer window in the promotion season and we're in essentially the same situation now. |
All very true Phil but why don’t we go all out and start quick. Try and overrun teams early and get ahead? All too often we start slowly and the belief that our strong bench will win it for us in the final 20 might seem to indicate we almost accept we're going to ease ourselves into the game. |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 18:57 - Dec 14 with 394 views | PhilTWTD |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 18:52 - Dec 14 by cbower |
All very true Phil but why don’t we go all out and start quick. Try and overrun teams early and get ahead? All too often we start slowly and the belief that our strong bench will win it for us in the final 20 might seem to indicate we almost accept we're going to ease ourselves into the game. |
I thought we actually started fairly well yesterday, at least we were the ones taking the game to them until the goal, which knocked us back and, as we've said, we don't react as well as we should to that at the moment. |  | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 19:00 - Dec 14 with 384 views | Dubtractor |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 18:57 - Dec 14 by PhilTWTD |
I thought we actually started fairly well yesterday, at least we were the ones taking the game to them until the goal, which knocked us back and, as we've said, we don't react as well as we should to that at the moment. |
I'd agree with that. We started well enough, but the goal floored us. |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 19:01 - Dec 14 with 376 views | Blue_Heath |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:46 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I can be not satisfied with where we are ...but also not totally lose my sh!t about it.
Yes, yesterday was a freak. Two incredible goals, the second you won't see again this season. They obviously changed the game - in fact I'd say we were the better team before the first flew in against the run of play. Leicester had done nothing up to that point. |
Philly has scored that 'freak' goal several times over and the lob was only a matter of time, it had been coming. | |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 19:04 - Dec 14 with 370 views | Herbivore |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 18:57 - Dec 14 by PhilTWTD |
I thought we actually started fairly well yesterday, at least we were the ones taking the game to them until the goal, which knocked us back and, as we've said, we don't react as well as we should to that at the moment. |
After a 10 minute dodgy spell after the goal we also started to look the better side again. Not brilliant but largely controlling the game and we created that big chance for Clarke that he missed. Then out of nowhere they scored from inside their own half and we're 2-0 down having never been under any kind of pressure in the game. It happens from time to time but really underlines the need to be much more clinical when we do actually create something. Clarke scores and it's a different game and it was a poor finish from an excellent position. | |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 19:16 - Dec 14 with 339 views | cbower |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 18:57 - Dec 14 by PhilTWTD |
I thought we actually started fairly well yesterday, at least we were the ones taking the game to them until the goal, which knocked us back and, as we've said, we don't react as well as we should to that at the moment. |
Agree in the early stages we pressed a bit but it wasn't exactly high intensity front foot stuff. Reading back through this thread the bit from McKenna post Oxford when he said at 1-1 the players tried to force the issue and deviated from the plan is extremely telling. That could certainly be interpreted as an indicator that the plan is to just keep doing the same thing over and over, irrespective as to whether it's working or not. Almost feels like the plan restricts the natural creativity of some, dictates that they continously recycle the ball and don’t take chances to shoot or cross but play it safe until the higher xg chance is (or isn't ) created. Or maybe I'm just looking too hard for a reason why so many performances this season have been below expectations? | |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 19:31 - Dec 14 with 308 views | PhilTWTD |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 19:16 - Dec 14 by cbower |
Agree in the early stages we pressed a bit but it wasn't exactly high intensity front foot stuff. Reading back through this thread the bit from McKenna post Oxford when he said at 1-1 the players tried to force the issue and deviated from the plan is extremely telling. That could certainly be interpreted as an indicator that the plan is to just keep doing the same thing over and over, irrespective as to whether it's working or not. Almost feels like the plan restricts the natural creativity of some, dictates that they continously recycle the ball and don’t take chances to shoot or cross but play it safe until the higher xg chance is (or isn't ) created. Or maybe I'm just looking too hard for a reason why so many performances this season have been below expectations? |
I think at Oxford Kieran felt that if we kept to script the goal would eventually come, we were having chances, if I remember rightly. Obviously, there comes a point when you throw the kitchen sink at it more, but the 70-somethingth minute is a bit too early. | | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 21:03 - Dec 14 with 223 views | Mullet |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 19:00 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor |
I'd agree with that. We started well enough, but the goal floored us. |
It was a sweet 7 minutes etc | |
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